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Title: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: maxsmom on January 06, 2008, 11:17:09 PM
I let the dogs out in our back yard last night and when I went to get them, only Jake was out back.  I could hear Max and Cody, barking and growling in the side yard.  Jake was just sniffing bushes and not paying them any attention at all.  That in itself was strange, so I walked around to the side to see what was going on.  Cody was literally bouncing his front paws off of the chain link fence, growling, barking and snarling at the fence.  Max was on his hind legs, front paws on the fence, woofing and growling.  I have never seen Max growl and ran down the side of the house to see what on earth was going on.  The neighbors son was poking and hitting my dogs with a long pole, poked through the fence.  When I yelled at him, he dropped it and ran in his house.  I put the dogs up and went over to their house.  When his mom opened the door, he was standing beside her.  I leaned in the door, right in his face and said "You know exactly why I am here.  Don't you?"  He backed up and she started asking "What did he do now?"  I have never gone over there to complain about this kid before.  Apparently, someone has.  I told her what he did and told her that if I ever caught him messing with my dogs again, I will wear his butt out so bad he won't be able to sit down for a month.  I also explained to her that Cody came from an abusive situation, before he went into rescue and we got him last year.  It took us months to get him to the point that he would even approach us, let alone let us pet him.  He still startles if we move to pet him too quickly.  And now her kid is poking and hitting him through the fence.  I told her that this is how come kids get attacked and bitten by dogs.  In a lot of cases, they have been teased and taunted by kids.  I explained to her, if my dogs got ahold of her son and wanted to, they could tear him apart.  They are not vicious dogs and I don't ever want them to be, but you cannot taunt and tease dogs without it affecting them.  They cannot logically decide, okay if I back up he can't reach me and it will be okay.  They only know to react and eliminate whatever is bothering them.  I don't want my dogs to hate kids and truly believe that this is not the first time he has done it to them.  Max is not a vicious dog and has never growled at anything or anyone, in the year we have had him.  I want to beat her and her husband for not having enough sense to raise a kid and having one anyway.  I put up a fence today so the dogs cannot go down the side of the house at all, but I am pissed off that my dogs cannot enjoy their own yard without me having to confine them to only half of it.  Okay.  Done.  Sorry, but I'm upset.  My hubby heard her yelling at her son later on last night and telling him that he has to leave us and the dogs alone.  "Don't you understand.  Those people have guns.  I've seen them, when he gets out of his truck."  My husband carries a gun and has a permit for it.  I guess she thinks that is supposed to scare him into behaving.  Great parenting.
Kathy 


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Duramax on January 06, 2008, 11:33:36 PM
wow! that is realy bad all the way around! I think that alot of problems children have come from parents not following through. instead of her teaching her son right from wrong by showing him cause and effect she makes you guys sound scary to him? that's terrible.

oooooh other people's kids..... :-\


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Ali on January 07, 2008, 02:06:48 AM
Wow. Good for you for giving them an earful - they needed to hear it. And, I agree, if the whack job of a mother wants to warn her kid away from you all because you're armed and dangerous or whatever, then fine - go for it! Whatever it takes to make the brat respect your pups and your space.


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Jace on January 08, 2008, 04:16:39 PM
I understand your anger but you seem to be lacking in temperament.  Maybe you were abused as a pup?  Anyway, if you had come over to my house and threatened my son with violence in front of my wife, I don't think she would have let you leave in one piece.  Not very smart in my estimation.  Do you punish your dogs with violence?  Apparently.  I can't imagine anyone who would advocate violence against a child but not an animal, unless you are one of those.  I absolutely love animals, but I am aware that there are those who are so disconnected from the human race that they prefer animals to their own kind.  Sad.


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: People Whisperer on January 08, 2008, 04:22:27 PM
I understand your anger but you seem to be lacking in temperament.  Maybe you were abused as a pup?  Anyway, if you had come over to my house and threatened my son with violence in front of my wife, I don't think she would have let you leave in one piece.  Not very smart in my estimation.  Do you punish your dogs with violence?  Apparently.  I can't imagine anyone who would advocate violence against a child but not an animal, unless you are one of those.  I absolutely love animals, but I am aware that there are those who are so disconnected from the human race that they prefer animals to their own kind.  Sad.
Do you mean prefer nice dogs to a child poking animals with a stick?  :-\
It seems like you are in the wrong place   >:( People are talking about good parenting and NOT about advocating a violence against dogs or children


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: London_Pyr_Lover on January 08, 2008, 04:26:50 PM
Thank you People Whisperer, I couldn't think of a polite way to say it.  ;)

Modified to add:  I completely agree with everything that you did.  It was wrong of this kid, who was obviously old enough to know what he was doing and also know that it is wrong.  Lets hope that he leaves your poor pups alone from now on.  Is the fence that he was poking through bordering with your neighbors house?  If so, maybe talk to them about putting up a good fence that their brat can't bug your dogs through.   ;)


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Pyr Heaven on January 08, 2008, 05:29:03 PM
I understand your anger but you seem to be lacking in temperament.  Maybe you were abused as a pup?  Anyway, if you had come over to my house and threatened my son with violence in front of my wife, I don't think she would have let you leave in one piece.  Not very smart in my estimation.  Do you punish your dogs with violence?  Apparently.  I can't imagine anyone who would advocate violence against a child but not an animal, unless you are one of those.  I absolutely love animals, but I am aware that there are those who are so disconnected from the human race that they prefer animals to their own kind.  Sad.

Hmm. This is not a good way to make friends here.

Didn't anyone ever tell you, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". You were basically stating that Kathy is such an animal lover that she prefers animals to people...she is "one of those". Quite a bold statement to make on your first post here.


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: bigdogs@5501 on January 08, 2008, 10:55:32 PM
Well the one time poster is the one who is sad, obviously that person has nothing to do but interject where they are not welcome.
Too bad the parents did not beat the snot out of the little brat, the most important issue here is that what emotional damage has been done to the dogs? If he ever gets close to them, how are they going to react and if it is bad then of course its the dogs fault. Dogs react and this could have been ugly, hopefully the kid will just stay away, that would be best. If you have any more trouble, make a police report, if anything ever happens then all of the past instances would just be your word against thiers. Actually if you could make one about this last time it would probably be a good idea.


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: maxsmom on January 08, 2008, 11:34:20 PM
Luckily, I used to work with our police chief's girlfriend.  I have filed a police report and he has met our dogs and knows their history.  He said just to let them know if it ever happens again and we can file charges.  We live in a very small town and my husband bought his Harley from the police chief.  He also rides with a lot of the local officers.  They go out to the gun range together and things like that.  I know this had to have happened before.  I am not letting the dogs into the side yard at all now.  This may sound sick, but I am kind of glad that Cody did not cower or run, when it happened.  It let me know that he feels safe and secure with us and in our home.  He was abused and neglected badly before we got him.  He was hit and taunted by workers cleaning the kennels where he grew up.  It took a lot of time and work to get him to where he now apears to be a perfectly normal dog.  I know to keep a close eye on him, anytime we are out of the house, just because I am not always sure how he will react, but Max is a different story.  I have never heard of an aggressive wolfhound and really don't want him to ever be one.  My grandkids came over yesterday and the dogs were no different with them than they have ever been, so I guess there is no harm done.  I walked them by some kids today and they all wanted to go over and check them out, no growling, nothing but friendly curiosity.  I guess alls well that ends well.  Thanks for all the supportive comments and I do appreciate your concern.
Kathy


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: London_Pyr_Lover on January 09, 2008, 02:27:51 AM
I'm so glad that the boys are alright.   :-*  Now lets just hope the neighbors brat stays away from them.  ;)


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Jace on January 10, 2008, 10:15:10 AM
Don't worry, I won't grace your message board again.  It is people like you who with warped priorities who actually bring more harm to animals than good.  I can't understand a mindset that would advocate violence against a child but not a dog.  That's really sick and I really mean that something is wrong with someone who would treat an animal better than a human being--something that happened in that person's past that led them to prefer animals to their own kind.  That's just my opinion, but it's hard to argue with without looking foolish.  Truthfully, you are not very smart anyway.  My wife would have beat you silly.  I do not advocate that in any way, but I know of my wife's affinity for her own kind, especially those she produced.  You have probably done more harm to your dogs now than good.  You should have excercised better judgment and had a discussion rather than a fit.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them get poisoned now.  I hope not but that was really foolish.


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Nina on January 10, 2008, 01:13:24 PM
Don't worry, I won't grace your message board again.  It is people like you who with warped priorities who actually bring more harm to animals than good.  I can't understand a mindset that would advocate violence against a child but not a dog.  That's really sick and I really mean that something is wrong with someone who would treat an animal better than a human being--something that happened in that person's past that led them to prefer animals to their own kind.  That's just my opinion, but it's hard to argue with without looking foolish.  Truthfully, you are not very smart anyway.  My wife would have beat you silly.  I do not advocate that in any way, but I know of my wife's affinity for her own kind, especially those she produced.  You have probably done more harm to your dogs now than good.  You should have excercised better judgment and had a discussion rather than a fit.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them get poisoned now.  I hope not but that was really foolish.

Whatever...unt il humans can prove the kindness love and devotion that an animal can.. I will always prefer an animals company to that of humans.

And the fact that you now think her dogs will be poisoned proves how sick twisted and demented humans can be!

Nina


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Mojo1269 on January 10, 2008, 01:47:30 PM
Do not feed the troll.  As I am sure most of you know
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response.  Below is my personal rendition of a troll.


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Nina on January 10, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
Do not feed the troll.  As I am sure most of you know
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response.  Below is my personal rendition of a troll.

LMAO I love it! And yes I was baited but I couldn't help it.  :-\


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Mojo1269 on January 10, 2008, 01:57:50 PM
The thing is, you feed a troll and they are like lawers, broke realtives, drunk uncles, rats, coack roaches etc... THEY WONT LEAVE.   :D 


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: karateblossom on January 12, 2008, 02:13:44 PM
ooooo, makes me wish that we could put those jerks in a cage and poke and prod them for hours!  not really but the thought is comical.  kids abuse when they endure abuse.....they obviously have no respect for animals (abuse victims themselves, apathy towards respecting nature-who knows).  I teach anti-bullying and dating violence and the common link why this happens is loss of power and control in their own worlds for some reason and their brains are not adult yet so they still view the world without respect and it doesn't and shouldn't affect them-in their eyes. 
Although I'm sad the kid in the zoo attack is gone, nature and instinct took over there when witnesses SAW those boys taunting the tiger and actually left the exhibit because the 3 were unruly and mean and loud.  KARMA.


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: navarre1316 on January 12, 2008, 02:42:23 PM
I had the same problem when I lived with my mom and had Navarre.  I actually found a metal pipe in my yard one day, someone had thrown it!  My moms backyard had an alley behind it and the elementary school kids would walk down the alley (granted at this point it was blocked off at one end so they weren't suppose to be using it).  The kids were also doing other damage as they walked to and from.  They would stand at the fence and hit it with sticks and throw rocks in the yard if they couldn't see Navarre, actually TRYING to get him to come out!!  So my uncle calls the police and gets told that it's a public alley and there are no laws against walking down the alley.  He says, "how many laws are you going to throw at my neice when her german shepherd gets sick of being taunted and jumps the fence?  I did mention that he's a 130lb GSD and it's a four foot fence."  There was a patrol out there the next morning and every so often for the next couple of weeks.

I'm glad your dogs don't seem to be worse for wear.  To bad the mom didn't use this as a much needed lesson for her child.  Bets on the fact that he'll probably be in juvie in a few years?????

Troll.....awes ome!!!


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent UPDATED
Post by: maxsmom on January 12, 2008, 05:45:15 PM
And the saga continues.  I went over today and had a long talk with the mom and dad both.  Last night my daughter came over and we both took the dogs out for a walk.  She had Max and Jake and I had Cody.  Luckily, I put the prong collar on Jake and a slip chain on Max, to make them easier to control together.  They both walk much faster than Cody and like to run, when we get to the ballfield, where there is grass.  When I opened our overhead garage door to go out, the neighbor's pomeranian, yes, same neighbor, is in our driveway and comes running up barking and growling at us and the dogs.  Needless to say, all 3 dogs hit the end of their leashes, barking, growling, lunging, trying to get to the dog.  I am sure in their minds, we were being threatened in our own garage.  We held them back and I started yelling for the neighbors to come get him.  He would not back off and came inside the garage.  I managed to pick Cody's front feet up off of the ground, so I could pull him back and grab a broom.  By shaking it at the pom and slowly walking towards him, still holding Cody up, I got him out of the garage.  Finally, one of the neighbors heard me and called him.  He left, after peeing on the jeep tire and the bushes at the end of the driveway.  Needless to say all three of my dogs had to anoint the tire and bushes repeatedly to reassert their ownership of their property.  I put Cody back in the house and went over to their house.  They would not come to the door.  So, today I went over when I saw them outside.  I calmly explained that I could not allow this to continue and I did not understand why they did not understand the danger of letting their little Pom run around loose.  They have a fenced backyard, where he could run around and do his business.  Why won't they either put him out there or walk him on a leash in front?  They replied that they have not mowed the back yard in a while and he doesn't like the tall grass.  I offered to mow it for them every few weeks, if they will put him out there.  The father asked why my dogs would go after his if they are not dog aggressive.  I explained that my dogs are territorial and protective.  They see another animal in their yard and house as a threat, especially when it is growling and barking at me and them.  My dogs will be registered in the county, as dangerous dogs, if they hurt or kill this dog, even though it comes in our garage, if the door is open and on our property.  I explained that I reported their dog a few months ago for chasing and nipping my 2.5 year old grandson, when he was in my driveway.  I also explained that they are forcing me to report them again for still letting their dog run loose.  I am not trying to hurt them or their dog, but I cannot allow mine to be hurt through their actions.  I think they finaly understood and said they would not let him out loose anymore.  The father apologized for the incident with his son and said they are not letting him play in the back yard alone anymore.  We will see how this works.  I am keeping my fingers crossed.
Kathy   


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Bubbalove on January 12, 2008, 08:30:50 PM
I think you are doing a great job, Kathy.  There's only so much we can 'teach' other adults, but you are continuing to be an advocate for your dogs and that's admirable.  Large breeds are often misunderstood, especially when they are protecting their own property/families - which is all instinct for most of them!
Good luck with your neighbors!  Keep us posted  ;).


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: London_Pyr_Lover on January 12, 2008, 08:42:52 PM
You know what, I think you are awesome.  You stand up for yourself, and for your dogs.  I just got into a big argument with my father about this, he is very I hate to say it, but ignorent when it comes to animals.  But I guess what I mean to say is there are alot of people out there who will tell us that our dogs are too big, or that they are vicious when they are only trying to defend their families and their homes.  And we all need to remember that it is not their fault they are ignorent they just need to be educated.  Some are easy to educate, some are not, just as long as we all do our part for the benefit of everyone around us, including and especially our babies.  :)



Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: DenverFurKiddos on January 12, 2008, 09:17:05 PM
Omigosh!  I can't believe that I've missed this thread.  Holy sh*t...I think that I would have gone besirk!!!!! I think that you're doing a great job, Kathy, communicating your concerns with your neighbors.  Because you never know what will happen in the future, I think it might be good to document these incidents.  Good luck with that little twirp!


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: karateblossom on January 12, 2008, 10:16:53 PM
Kathy, you are a model furr advocate for all of us!  Why do people who own little 'aggressive' furr balls feel that it is OK for their creature to roam free and harass?  Primal bullying, really.  I'm not sure I would have risked my or my babies safety (a pom can deliver a nasty infectious bite) and not let the leash slip!  ;}  I'll never forget when my husband was walking his malamute on leash and an unleashed collie came up to hotdog.  My hubby pulled the leash back (my hubby used to be a 240lb football player n 'had' :) tremendous strength) to prevent hotdog from killing this collie and hotdog primally charged, bit my husband on the knee.  At that very second, hotdog n hubby made eye contact and hotdog had the "OH @$#@" look and released.  the collie owner ran over and collected what could have been the carcass of a collie and my husband explained that leash laws are there for others safety too and next time, protective instinct might take over at being assaulted by a very aggressive animal and that leash might just 'slip'. 
I just can't understand why people think its ok to let those smaller guys roam free an bully the bigger ones and then take offense when there little one gets eaten!
another funny story (i know, I do have a point)-onion, our deceased springer, attacked our neighbor's chihuahua who had dug her way into our yard and I not been in the kitchen and saw it, who knows what would have happened.  all boils down to the people and their mindset and beliefs.....sa d.   


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Scootergirl on January 12, 2008, 10:18:14 PM
You've got a huge set of ...um ovaries on you Kathy. I wish my neighbors were as responsive as yours. I've had 2 run ins with them now.

First, he came over to our house and said if we didn't keep them from barking he would "take care of the problem himself". Now, mind you, they were usually barking at his little JRT running back and forth along his side of the fence barking at my dogs.

Last weekend I had to go over to his house because the little cat he feeds was pooping in my yard and jumped at my window when it noticed Misty Blue (my cat) was looking at it from inside the house where cats should be. It jumped against the screen so hard it bent my screen.

I went over to his house and told him I didn't appreciate his cat pooping (although I didn't use that nice of a word) in my yard and before I could even get to tell him about it jumping and bending my screen, he came at me yelling and cursing and threatening that if I ever came on his property again he would "stomp me."

So, I called the police and told them I just wanted it on file that he threatened me with physical violence and he has threatened the safety of my dogs before so that if anything happens they will know who to question first.

 


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: maxsmom on January 12, 2008, 10:34:11 PM
Oh, Scooter.  That is horrible.  I think I would take to having a gun close by if any of my neighbors were like that.  Luckily they have all seen my hubby, 6'2", 270, big guy and as my neighbor said, he carries a gun.  He also has a bunch of biker friends that show up at our house when they are going riding together.  They are usually really nice to me.  It seems like we all have our horror stories to tell of run ins with kids and other peoples dogs.  Thank you all for your kind comments and support.  It is nice to know that others care, but, it is a shame that we all have to deal with this sort of thing, just because we love our big paws.
Kathy


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: karateblossom on January 12, 2008, 10:55:32 PM
that's why I hold 2 black belts in 2 martial arts.......rea soning doesn't work and kindness is futile? "u want to stomp me?  Lets go grumpy grandpa gus!"  lol.


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: karateblossom on January 13, 2008, 01:45:42 AM
Holly, fantastic advice!  ;)  You are so right about parent interjection on the level helping this kid LEARN how to treat animals and maybe it will rub off on him.  I just dont understand mean people........ .but mean dogs are created by mean people and helping avert a potentially mean person from being a meanie to animals, then something good has come out of an ugly situation.  Rock on....;)()


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: Scootergirl on January 13, 2008, 08:47:30 PM
That's why we love Holly!


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: maxsmom on January 13, 2008, 08:55:28 PM
Thank you so much, Holly.  I guess I tend to get hot headed and not think things through.  The house is a rental, but I don't know when or if they will be moving anytime soon.  Thanks for the advice and I will use it.
Kathy


Title: Re: Okay, my turn to vent
Post by: karateblossom on January 14, 2008, 02:57:21 PM
Kathy, we all get hot headed at times...i think.  U are an awesome modeling pet owner and level-headed parent advice giver just from reading your posts.  We obviously learn from you on both levels!  :-)  Heck, being a red head set me up for failure a long time ago and its taken me 38 yrs just to begi and see that hotheaded isnt the norm.  my kids sure thank me....even odin!  Keep on truckin like u do!  BTW....how long have u had your irish wolf hound?  my hubby n i wanted/want an irish wolf hound but were able to save 1 mastiff instead.  Are their temperments similar?Any thoughts on IWH ownership would b fantastic!  tx-nik