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BPO Off Topic Forum => Anything Non-Dog Related => : Blair August 24, 2005, 04:12:03 PM
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We have Cable internet and with that we have cable phone, our phone line is through the cable. Well I guess our phone is messed up, and my husband has been trying to call me all day. Usually if our Cable is messed up so is our phone, that really sucks about cable phone. So he called the cable people to come over. Well the phone on my end works, I can make calls but cant get any. So with out knowing the problem, I call my husband just to talk. And he is like did they fix it, and I am like what in the world are you talking about. He called to have the cable people come out and look at our cable. Well I am on the phone with my husband when all of a sudden Grey jumps up and starts barking, very loudly too. I turn around and see the Cable Guy, he just walked into my backyard without even letting me know. I couldnt believe he did that, he is lucky my dogs were picked up in the house. I was so upset I wanted to yell and hit him.
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Do you have a fence? I want to put a sign on ours. I've read on another pyr chat group that you shouldn't use signs that say Beware of Dog. The reason for this is if your dog bites someone then you knew your dog was vicious. I guess people are getting sued over this. The dogs where inside the fence protecting their territory.
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Yes I have a fence, he just walked through my gate. My dogs were inside the house, and Grey seen him through the window and jumped up and barked. Now keep in mind this is my lazy never barks dog. I heard the samething about the sign, thats why we dont have one
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We just have one of those signs that says I can make it to the fence in 3 seonds...can you. But no beware sign.
Cable guy was not too bright at all. You think that would be one thing they check out first off. Maybe he is a newbie. :-\
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Ice I want one of those signs I think the are both cute and funny. I have a door mat that says, please ring the doorbell and run, the dogs need exercise hehe.
I have heard the oposite though, that if someone comes into your yard and there is no sign to warn them for dogs who might protect "their yard or area" you might be in trouble because you didnt warn them. Now I am totally confused lol..... I wonder which is correct. I think I have to try and look that up, after all you want a sign, but if it means you might get in trouble should someone get in and the dogs protected the house or yard I certainly dont want to get into more trouble because of a sign.
Marit
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marit i've heard the same thing. if there is an attack, and you didn't warn them...you were at fault. i've never heard the other way around.....but im sure its true. i think pretty much either way...your gonna go to court. this is america people...its our favorite past time.
this is how i see it. if i buy a house, or even here with my little patio area.....sign or no sign, people better be asking permission to enter MY property. its my money, its my chunk of this world....and if MY DOGS ARE THERE, it's theirs as well. they are gonna protect it, or not if its cody lol, and the only way to avoid that is to give me warning and let me bring them in or put them on a leash, or just tell them its okay and be out there with them. if someone walks onto MY property, without my permission, and my dogs eat them.....i think it's their fault for thinking that is an okay way to act.
stupid cable guy needed a bite in the rump....BUT since that isn't how the world works, i guess it's best that didn't happen.
OH THE NERVE OF SOME PEOPLE!
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Actually I think the sign of Ice's is good for both cause you are both warning them and not actually saying beware...
That was a stupid cable guy... but was he cute? Maybe that could offset some of the stupidity
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dude....I LOVE THOSE SIGNS! I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED ONE! im not saying anything bad about the sign.....infac t, i WILL have one....as well and numerous other amusing ones.
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Maybe you should keep the gate padlocked? I know its your yard and your property etc...BUT this day and age, people are sue happy...I am also getting a sign that reads 'K9 on premises' To let people know that yes I have a dog and it is in my yard...
Good Luck
People are also very stupid like the cable guy LO
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I love that sign too...it is very cute!!
wasn't implying you didn't - probably didn't come out right cause it is so late and my synapses aren't firing as fast.. :D
Anyway - I am going to get that sign...except the deadlest thing around her are my 5 and 10lb dogs...they are a force to be reckoned with (whatever that means)
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Actually I think the sign of Ice's is good for both cause you are both warning them and not actually saying beware...
That was a stupid cable guy... but was he cute? Maybe that could offset some of the stupidity
No he was Butt A$$ ugly LOL
We usually do have a lock on the gate, thats why I was so shocked he was back there, I guess my husband forgot to put it back on ::). I was sitting at my computer desk, on BPO of course, when Grey jumped up and started barking. The funny part I could see the moron from my kitchen window, kinda, and when he heard Grey barking he ran LOL I go outside to talk to him and he is acting like I am the moron in the situation ::)
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An answer for you all about the signs....
I really wanted to know the answer to these questions. So, I was sure to get them in one of my law classes. Here's what I found out. Having a sign is a good idea, because it warns the stupid people. However, you are not exempt from liability weather you have a sign or don't have a sign. Even if say, a guy named Bob got bit, and you had a sign up saying, "Bob, you are DEFINITELY going to get bit if you come in my yard.", and he got bit, you could still be liable. The assumption is that simply by having a dog, you KNOW and ASSUME liability, no matter what they do. Because they're dogs, and they could bite. Does that make sense?
You could have a twenty foot fence with signs on every square inch, and still be liable if someone climbed it and got in and got bit. Basically the thing to remember here is that dog bites are a CIVIL issue, not a CRIMINAL, so there are no hard and fast rules. Basically, the person getting bit would have to sue you. And then liability is decided by a judge or jury at the time, based on the specific circumstances.
I hope this helps. And, personally, I say hang the sign. It could prevent someone from getting hurt (either a stupid person or your dog) and it won't make you any more or less liable. However, since often a jury decides liability, it could make a jury feel more sympathetic to you if some dumb-@$$ gets bit in your back yard.
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Thanks for finding that out for us. Now I'm on the look out for a sign.
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No problem-O!
I remember when I was in high school....some idiot broke into the theatre and fell into the orchestra pit and broke his leg. He sued the school and WON just because there SHOULD have been a cover over the orchestera pit. The jury decided that even though he was breaking the rules by breaking and entering, the school was negligent in not covering the pit. Anyone could have fallen in, not just some thief. It was totally B-S, but....it just illustrates my point.
Basically, nothing you can do will prevent money hungry morons from suing you, so you may as well put up a sign to prevent the legitimate people from getting hurt. Ya know?
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http://www.dogbitelaw.com/
This site has a pretty good general overview of dog bite laws, I've found it a good resource.
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That pretty much sums it up, Nicole. The cable guy is in for a rude awakening some day if he keeps up the unannounced entries. Seems that should be considered illegal too. I mean, who's to say there isn't some cable guy out there with peeping tom or other (worse) tendencies?! I think Lola would not hesitate to take him down.
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I've referenced that site quite a bit. And, that guy...can't remember his name, the lawyer...anywa y...he returns ALL e-mails. Seriously.
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sounds like you need a zap collar for the cable guy!
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Back when I was MUCH younger we had a little poodle terrier mix. Toby loved being in the backyard and you couldn't get him to come in! He was a fierce little thing to strangers, but all he would bite were shoes. It used to tick me off when the meter reader would wake me up early in the morning to ask me to hold the dog while he checked the meter. "You've got steel toed shoes on, he can't hurt you!"
After Toby passed away (at almost 17 yrs) my sister got a Samoyed/Lab mix. I can't count the number of times I saw the meter reader jump right over the fence with Shazu standing there in plain sight. I kept thinking, "You idiot! Little white dog couldn't hurt you. Big white dog can!"
But then again, Shazu chewed the cable wire in half three times. The same cable guy came to fix it all three times. Shazu would bring him his toys. We used to joke that Shazu just wanted to play with the cable guy. Then we learned how to prevent him from chewing the wire in half.
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How funny! I bet Shazu did just want to play! hahahaha!
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I can't beleive he just walked on your property like that!!! Wayy too funny you seen him run after Grey started to bark!! lol I have NEVER seen a cute cable guy EVER, but they could be out there just not in my area. We did have an issue with a cable guy being a peeping tom in our area, he got a slap on the hand and that's about it. Some people are just not right.
Andi
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and all those people who aren't right...work for the cable company.
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He told me he knocked on the door, but I was home and inside the whole time, so I doubt it. And even if I didnt hear him it still doesnt give him any right to just walk in my yard without promission. Oh and he knew I had dogs and when he lefy he left my gate wide open >:(. FRIGGIN MORON
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Lins - You are sooooo right!! Whenever we have issues with our cable or internet they can't fix a darn thing. It takes them a few times before things get fixed 100%. They really need a better training program! lol
Blair - I would call your cable company and let them know what happend. I'm not normally a complainer but the fact he left the gate open when he left and he steped on your property without permission is awful. What would have happend if you didn't know the gate had been left open and you let the dogs out? What a JERK!
Andi
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He told me he knocked on the door, but I was home and inside the whole time, so I doubt it. And even if I didnt hear him it still doesnt give him any right to just walk in my yard without promission. Oh and he knew I had dogs and when he lefy he left my gate wide open >:(. FRIGGIN MORON
not like one of the dogs wouldn't have told you someone was at the door.
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awwww..thanks nicole...good info
lmao about zap collars for the cable guy.. ;D
When I was in highschool we had a standard poodle...That poodle hated the milk man...even bite him on the butt a few times... we use to have to go bail him out of doggie jail.... Never did it to anyone else but the milk man
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Diesel is my "Some One is at the door"guard dog. It must shock people when I open the door. They hear this little dog barking nad then when I open the door, they see these 2 huge dogs, hehehehe :D
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tends to scare people, especially little kids.
I had child solicitors last night. I thought Lady was going out the window.
I can't wait till Halloween.
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Many years ago I lived in a rural part of Florida on a 23 acre abandoned orange grove. I had a 10 ft. chain link fence with barbed wire around the top. On the gate a large red and white sign said "BAD DOGS- KEEP GATE CLOSED".
I worked for Animal Regulation and rescued Danes (and pit bulls that had hunting potential) I had 5 permanent residents, all Danes, and various fosters. 2 of the permanents had never been off a chain until they came to live with me- one was mellow and had joint issues, one was pretty neurotic. The best thing mentally and physically for those guys was to get out and run. Another of the 5 was a trained bodyguard.
I told the electric company guy more than once that if there were cars around the trailer to stay in his van and honk, that if the cars were there, someone was home, and if someone was home then the dogs might be loose. "Drive up and honk" is just simple farm etiquette anyway, as far as I'm concerned. When anyone else did it the dogs would come up to the house and mill around, wagging their tails to greet the visitor. I tried to explain that while normally reliable, if they'd been out running and getting "packed up" 5 dogs with a combined weight of about 850 lbs could be VERY dangerous.
Several times I heard his van pull in and his car door, and raced out to find him already halfway around the house. I'd warn him, and he'd shine me on.
One day I was taking a shower, and didn't hear him pull in. I heard the dogs going crazy, though. I threw a robe on and ran out, to see the man in his van, with the most terrified look on his paste white face I had ever seen. The dogs were trying to chew his windows out, I could hear their teeth clicking on the glass. Snarling, slobbering beasts with whale eyes surrounded him. I called them off one at a time and put them away, but kept the bodyguard dog at heel beside me. He slowly rolled down the window, and puked down the side of his van.
He said he had barely made it around to the side of the house when he saw all of them stand up out of the grass at the edge of the trees (about 7 acres away) He turned and ran, and barely made it to his van in time.
I really shudder to think what would have happened if he hadn't seen them until he was too far from the van.
After that, I put a double lock on the gate, and everyone called from the gas station up on the highway (this was before cell phones) before they came over.
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Holy schnikes! That is one scary scenario! Some people just CANNOT be taught, ya know? Unfortunately, the way I understand the law, if anything had happened, YOU could still be held liable, even though you had fencing and signs and warned the moron repeatedly. Its just crazy.
Wow. That story made me shiver a little. What a dummy.
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I know with us all being from different areas, the rules regarding signage changes in each county.
Out here, we have a simple rule. NO TRESPASSING. If it's posted, and you come on anyway uninvited, you take your fate in your own hands. I live pretty countrry out here, and it's commonplace to walk in someone's house and see a loaded shotgun in a rack right above the door.
We also use the honking method as we're drving upto the home. Some of the driveways out here are a mile or more long, so it's for the safety of the passengers, and any farmstock roaming free. (Horses and most cows out here will shy away from a car horn.)
I'm not certain if the No Trespassing signs would work in your case, but between that and a lock on the gate, I'm not thinking there's a Judge out there that's going to decide for the idiot in that case.
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I wouldn't be too sure about that presumption.
OJ got away with murder. Michael J got away also.
If you've got a lot of $$$, then you can let your furbabies run free.
If not, you have to cover your butt.
"Stupid is, as Stupid does."-Forrest Gump
Don't put yourself in the position, unless you're willing to drag the body into your house!
Tulsas' Dad