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kristi

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URGENT - medical advice needed!
« on: April 12, 2006, 11:16:08 am »
Please BPO I need advice ASAP! :'(
This is what Sampson was diagnosed with today. (Along with a cancerous mass on his left rear leg 3 inches above the foot pad.)
The vet is recommending an operation on his back - a laminectomy to remove bone & free the nerve.  They will have to call in an orthopedic surgeon & cost will be between $2,500-$3,000.  (They will remove the mass at the same time - they believe it is contained.)
Please, any thoughts & advice!
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Lumbosacral Stenosis (Cauda Equina Syndrome)
Holly Nash, DVM, MS
Veterinary Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc.

Lumbosacral stenosis has also been termed lumbosacral instability, lumbosacral malformation, lumbosacral malarticulatio n, lumbar spinal stenosis, lumbosacral spondylolisthe sis, lumbosacral nerve root compression, and cauda equina syndrome. All these terms describe arthritis of the joint between the last lumbar vertebra and the sacrum, which is one of the bones that makes up the pelvis. This arthritis narrows the canal through which the spinal cord and nerves pass through. The intervertebral disc between the vertebra and the sacrum is often abnormal as well, further narrowing the canal. The arthritis and disc disease put pressure on the nerves coming off the spinal cord. The symptoms of lumbosacral stenosis, then, are a result of nerve injury.

What are the symptoms of lumbosacral stenosis?

The most common sign of cauda equina syndrome is pain. The pain may occur in the back, in one or both hind legs, or the tail. The dog usually has difficulty rising from lying down, but once he begins to walk about he works out of the stiffness. There may be muscle loss in one or both rear legs. The dog may have difficulty urinating or defecating because of the pain, may become incontinent, or may be unable to urinate. Some dogs are unable to move their tail, or have severe pain if the tail is moved. Often dogs will have a shuffling gait, and scuff their toes. Some dogs will chew on their pelvic area, hind limbs, or tail, sometimes creating considerable damage by this self-mutilation.

Many of the signs seen with lumbosacral stenosis can mimic those of hip dysplasia, and the two conditions need to be differentiated .

Which animals are at risk of having lumbosacral stenosis?

Lumbosacral stenosis occurs most commonly in large breed dogs. German Shepherds appear to be more likely to develop this condition. The condition can be acquired, meaning the dog started out normal and then developed this condition. Or, lumbosacral stenosis can be a congenital condition, meaning the dog was born with the abnormality. Either way, the symptoms generally do not occur until the dog is between 3 and 7 years of age.

Lumbosacral stenosis is rarely seen in cats.

How is lumbosacral stenosis diagnosed?

The veterinarian will ask the owner for a history of when the symptoms developed, etc. A physical exam will then be performed. The hind limbs will be manipulated in various ways to determine which positions are painful. The veterinarian will also do a neurological exam, including testing the reflexes, to determine which nerves may be injured.

Radiographs (x-rays) are taken to evaluate the spine and pelvis. The findings can be very suggestive of lumbosacral stenosis, but are not sufficient to make the diagnosis. To achieve a diagnosis, special procedures must be performed by injecting dye into the affected area and re-radiographing. Depending on where the dye is placed, the procedure is called myelography, epidurography, or diskography. These procedures must be done under anesthesia. Displacement of the dye by the abnormalities in the bones and intervertebral disc confirms the diagnosis of lumbosacral stenosis.

How is lumbosacral stenosis treated?

Depending on the severity of the condition, amount of pain the animal is experiencing, overall health of the animal, financial restrictions, and other factors, lumbosacral stenosis is treated surgically or nonsurgically.

Nonsurgical treatment: If the condition is mild, dogs may be treated with strict rest for 6 to 8 weeks. Anti-inflammatory medications such as prednisolone are given. In many cases, this can relieve the symptoms. However, when the dog becomes more active, the symptoms can return.

Surgical treatment: There are two different surgical techniques used to treat lumbosacral stenosis. In the first, the bones are fused together in as normal a position as possible. This prevents abnormal motion between them, and reduces the risk of further arthritis. In the second technique, part of the bone and the intervertebral disc are removed to reduce pressure on the spinal cord and nerves.

In either case, dogs must be confined for 2 to 4 weeks after surgery, and may also be placed on prednisolone therapy. For dogs who have difficulty or are unable to urinate, the bladder must be manually expressed several times a day.

What is the prognosis for dogs with lumbosacral stenosis?

The outlook for dogs with lumbosacral stenosis is dependent on the severity of symptoms before treatment. Dogs who are mildly affected may be able to return to normal function. For those who are incontinent or unable to urinate prior to treatment, the prognosis is much poorer.
   
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Re: URGENT - medical advice needed!
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2006, 11:59:50 am »
Kristi,

I am so sorry to hear of Sam's diagnosis.  I unfortunately don't have any advice regarding Lumbosacral Stenosis, as I've never heard of it until now.  The only thing I will ask you is, were all the tests preformed to correctly diagnosis this condition (the neurological and radiograph portions)?  Were they actually done on Sam?  Reason I ask is because I have heard many times things mis-diagnosed due to "quick judgement" on the vet's behalf...

Regarding the mass - that definitely should come off.  I am glad to hear they think it is contained (but then again I will ask) did they take any biopsies from anywhere else (such as a lymph node)?  Asking because when our Slater had his tumor on his paw, they also checked out a lymph node (and sure enough) it was there too.  Don't want to scare you (because I defnitely hope this is not the case), but want to ensure they checked somewhere else too...

I am sending positive thoughts and prayers your way that Sam will be ok ;)

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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2006, 12:05:20 pm »
Sampson had x-rays & a CT scan done on his back & legs.
The biopsy was taken from the mass.
They ran a full geriatric blood panel - which came out fine - everything within normal ranges.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2006, 12:06:09 pm »
Don't know if I have much advice, but I will send a big cyber hug to you!  I guess the first thing I'd wonder is what the prognosis is if you go through the treatment and how difficult will it be for the dog.  I'm thinking you haven't seen the specialist yet?  It might be worth putting off a final decision until you talk to one. 
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2006, 12:18:56 pm »
Kristi:
I don't have any sage advice either, but wanted to send along some thoughts of strength and hope to you and Sampson.  Keep us posted.
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2006, 12:21:10 pm »
Oh Kristi I am so sorry to hear this. I don't have any info regarding his diagnosis. Puck had a lump removed last April and is doing fine. I would definately get that removed. What symptoms is Sampson showing?
Big hugs to you and Sam.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2006, 12:21:36 pm »
I'm fairly certain that my first Newf, Otis was just starting to manifest those symptoms when he died...he also had a hip replacement surgery when he was  year.  His back legs quivered constantly and the orthopedist assumed it was from pain.  Have you taken Samson to an orthopedist?  I would think it would be a good thing since the side effects of any steriod-type drug (and I'm pretty sure that is what they are suggesting) has serious side effects.  He'll need monitoring.  It's sounds like the mass will be taken care of and that will be that; but this other thing is worrisome.  Please do consider a specialist just to confirm both the diagnosis and the treatment alternatives.

Thoughts and prayers are with you and Samson!

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2006, 01:27:34 pm »
I'm so sorry.  I can't help but feel fear along with empathy whenever I read things like this.  We big dog lovers pay a big price for loving these big furry expensive dogs.  We spent $4000.00 on Badger for 2 surgerys recently, only to find out he now has hip displaysia and guess what?  Needs more surgery.  My thoughts are with you.  If you need any tips/support when he comes home from the doctor, hollor my way...I know every post surgery trick in the book including which human painkillers you can give them (safely) if they reject the animal ones or in case the doctor undermedicates and he is in pain. 
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2006, 01:31:24 pm »
Sampson had x-rays & a CT scan done on his back & legs.
The biopsy was taken from the mass.
They ran a full geriatric blood panel - which came out fine - everything within normal ranges.
-k.

Sounds like you have a good vet Kristi :) which is important.  If his blood was fine, then I'm sure the cancer is just in the mass, and will be gone soon enough!  Whew!

As for his diagnosis, I wish you the best of luck and we'll be thinking about you ;)

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2006, 01:46:04 pm »
I am so sorry to hear about Sampson  :'( He is in my thoughts.

I dont have any good advice to give here, except to say go with your your gut and make decisions with your heart.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2006, 02:01:28 pm »
I'm sorry to hear about your baby...hopeful ly it'll turn out good for both you and Sampson.  I agree that you may want to see a specialist to get their take on the situation. Good luck and we'll be keepimg fingers and paws crossed for him.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2006, 02:03:25 pm »
Sorry...no real advice here either.  And I really wish I had some.  I just hate things like this.  Makes you feel so dman helpless.  Please know that you and Sampson are in my thoughts.  You've got some serious decisions to make in the near future.  Just know that your BPO family is here for you.

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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2006, 12:42:40 am »
I am not much for advice either...but I can pray with the best of them!  {{{hugs}}} sent to you and Samson.  I look forward to hearing good news soon.  May the power of BPO thoughts and prayers be with you.   :-*
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2006, 01:18:42 am »
I don't have any experience with this in the dog world, so take this with a grain of salt, but I am an assistant to a human neurosurgeon and this is a very common condition in people and a fairly common surgical procedure as well, very often with good results.  The symptoms in people manifest themselves in much the same way, weakness and pain in the legs (equating to the back legs in dogs), occasionally with bladder or bowel incontinence (in severe cases).  I don't know how helpful this is, but I'd say if you feel that your dog is suffering, there is a good chance that this type of surgery would relieve a good deal of his pain by taking pressure off of the nerves that are being compressed.  (And I know it sounds like a lot of money, but you're actually getting a good deal-this surgery costs about $10,000 in the human world.   :o)

Anyway, just my two cents....   :)

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2006, 01:19:19 am »
I am sorry to hear about Sampson , I wish I could give you advice but I will send a hug and say a prayer