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BPO Training Forum => Behavior, Housebreaking, Obedience => : Lendy September 13, 2005, 07:35:06 AM
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Hello,
I need some suggestions on how to start leash training. Also on how to get SnowFlake to come when I call her. She is 8 weeks old and a inside dog. I pick her up to take her outside to go to the bathroom. After she does her buisness she wants to get into flowers etc and will not come when I call her. Help.
Love my big babies. lol
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Hi! Our girl is 5 1/2 months now, and she's still learning the leash. She constantly chokes herself because she wants to walk faster than I do. I stop periodically and make her sit, more so to calm her down and let her catch her breath, and if she is walking right by my heels like she should be, I praise her out loud and give her a treat. Whenever I want her to come in from being outside, I get down on my knees to her level and call her, because she absolutely LOVES it when I'm down on her level where she can lick and paw at me and knock me over. I have also taken to using the milkbones to get her in. But there are times when she absolutely refuses to come in when I do all that, so we end up running around the back yard, me chasing her and her laughing at me. There are other here with tons more experience than I have, but I'm just trying to find out what will work for us. Some things work, some don't. Good luck to you :-)
Rachel
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I'm not so sure on the correct leash training tehnique so I'll let someone else field that but as fas as getting your dog to come when called...Do not chase the dog...That makes it SO much fun for them lol & it becomes a game...Rather, call (dogs name) & "come" & as you are facing your pup run backwards...Th is triggers a chase response in them & they should follow you...Follow up with praise & a treat...Now, saying that, let me ad that Pyrs have a will & mind of their own & may not always come when called after the novelty of the new "game" has worn off...Your best bet is to work at the calling & running backwards & really really reinforce the postitives (treat & praise) now.
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I'm gonna try that running backwards thing tonight! I know that chasing her does absolutely no good, you'd think I would have learned my lesson by now.
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The easiest thing that I did with Eowyn when I first got her, i just let her have the pinch lead on, and drag the leash around with her.... that way, when I would go to pick up the leash, it was not something that she was scared of.....Then, once she was use to having it on, I would pick up the leash, and "coax" her with gently tugs to the direction that I wanted her in. When walking, I just did not let her have enough lead on the leash to get away from me.... That way, she knew, when she was on the leash, that Mommy was in control of the walk, not her.... She was allowed to come, but would know by the "pinch" when she was getting out of line or not where she was supposed to be... That way, there was never any scolding coming from me.... she did her own "scolding"... When she was in correct position.... she could look up at me directly into my eyes and receive praise... when she was out of position.....P inch... but no yell, scold, or fight.... she would just return right back to my side with a "whoops" look on her face.... give that a try... and let me know... I hope that it works for you as well as it has for me. :D
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Its great to start training at 8 weeks old, but don't expect soo much, best advice is find a puppy kindergarden. Thier babies till at least 2-3 years old. Then you'll go thru all the different phases & tests your puppy will put you thru. Everyday is a training day for us. Good luck!
Carolyn
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We are starting to work with Willow on leash training. I think I am going to get a pinch collar. She is starting to get so big and control is getting harder and harder. I also need to get her in class
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I start little puppies on a retractable lead with a buckle collar.
Use lots of food and verbal encouragement.
NEVER allow a tight lead for the puppy to fight against.
NEVER allow a tight lead for the puppy to PULL against. This TEACHES your dog to pull. The don't start out knowing how to do that. If you NEVER let them, you never have the problem.
The second the pup gets too far out and makes a tight lead, tug back firmly enough to pull the pup back a couple of steps, and IMMEDIATELY drop slack in the lead. Do this EVERY time. NEVER allow pulling.
:D
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Bella (one of my teenage rescue puppies) was horrible on a leash - pulled backwards, dug in all 4 paws - pretty obviously frighted of it and what might happen if she went anywhere that leash went....I ended up just leaving it attached for 24 hours - just so she could get used to the idea that a leash wasn't a bad thing...then started picking it up close (about 12-18 inches) to her collar and gently leading her short distances & giving lots of praise when she went willingly. She's better now, but is going to need lots of loving patient training.
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All good advice above. If you have a Petsmart near you, thay have a great puppy class.
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We have Dyson enrolled in Puppy training. He is currently a little over 3 months. The class recommends a standard collar and leash. When walking the puppy, if he pulls you should stop and wait for him to loosen the leash, before you begin again. If he just stops and won't move, snap the leash repeatly til he comes. Do not apply a constant pull for he will think its a challenge. Good Luck...
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Thank you for your reply. She is doing a little better today. I am really grateful for all the suggestions that you all are giving me .
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I don't really understand the difference in the collers. The one that I am using right now is like a choke coller. It is soft material but if she pulls as she pulls on it, it gets tighter around her neck. Of course I will not let it choke her. She seems to be doing ok with that one. I also am using alot of praise and treats. Is that the one that you all are talking about using or is it the wrong one. So many different ones out there.
Lol Thanks so much for your replys
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We have Dyson enrolled in Puppy training. He is currently a little over 3 months. The class recommends a standard collar and leash. When walking the puppy, if he pulls you should stop and wait for him to loosen the leash, before you begin again. If he just stops and won't move, snap the leash repeatly til he comes. Do not apply a constant pull for he will think its a challenge.  Good Luck...
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*gasp!*
I would NEVER NEVER EVER advise anyone to "snap" the leash on the collar of a 3 months old baby puppy!!!
Puppies at this age need ENCOURAGEMENT and HELP to come along on the leash.
That puppy is just a baby.
I would STRONGLY URGE you to find a different training class, as these methods are archaic and NOT necessary to train dogs, not even BIG dogs.
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I use buckle collars or prong collars for training.
I don't like slip collars for training. They are really not easy to use properly. I don't like doing the "jerk" corrections that are required to use that collar properly. I do use them in the ring, and I understand and have the technique and ability to use one properly, but for novice handlers, they are almost impossible.
These slip collars have to stay high up on the neck behind the ears and up under the chin to be effective.
The leash must be loose so you can get a "pop" type correction going with a slip collar. Most novice trainers find it almost IMPOSSIBLE to keep a loose leash on their dogs, and that renders those collars practically useless except for choking a dog and teaching it how to pull.
I use very little collar correction in dog training, as I quickly move on to offleash work and advanced obedience where the leash is not as often used.
JMO as always. :D
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Sorry if this sounds dumb! I want to let her outside to use the bathroom and not run off. If I do not use some kind of leash or etc all she wants to do is run. I know that at 8 1/2 weeks she is very young but I have to have some way to keep her. Are you talking about a regular collar to start out with. Thank you
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Here is what I would do:
Get a buckle or snap collar that does not slip.
Go to Home Depot or Lowes and get about a 40 ft piece of light nylon cord, and a small bolt snap. Tie the snap to the cord securely.
Attach this to your pup's collar when you go out. Get the cord so it's light enough for her to bounce around with.
It needs to be long so she can have a certain amount of freedom out in the yard.
Under careful supervision, of course. :D
She will get used to dragging it very quickly.
You can also use it to help her come when called, and food reward her each time. She will soon come running each time you call her.
Also please read my post about the Recall Game.
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Thank you so much ;D I am out the door now to get the supplies you suggested. ;D I will let you know how it goes for me. Off to Lowes I go!!
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Sorry if this sounds dumb! I want to let her outside to use the bathroom and not run off. If I do not use some kind of leash or etc all she wants to do is run. I know that at 8 1/2 weeks she is very young but I have to have some way to keep her. Are you talking about a regular collar to start out with. Thank you
Your dog is a Great Pyrenees? What do you call a Pyr off leash?
answer -GONE
or a Dis-a-pyr.
You will NEVER be able to trust this breed off leash!
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Sorry if this sounds dumb! I want to let her outside to use the bathroom and not run off. If I do not use some kind of leash or etc all she wants to do is run. I know that at 8 1/2 weeks she is very young but I have to have some way to keep her. Are you talking about a regular collar to start out with. Thank you
Your dog is a Great Pyrenees? What do you call a Pyr off leash?
answer -GONE
or a Dis-a-pyr.
You will NEVER be able to trust this breed off leash!
Yup, what PupDaddy said!...I will certainly attest to this...to the tune of a 3000.00 plus fence...Best money I ever spent too! ;D
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I am needing advice on how often to feed snowflake and when should I take up her water and food for the night. She has learned when I take her outside to go to the bathroom she gets a treat. When she does her business!! But as soon as I get her back in the house she goes again. Also starting to really so her business. Help
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How do I get to your reply about the Recall Game. Thanks so much for all your replies.
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We have Dyson enrolled in Puppy training. He is currently a little over 3 months. The class recommends a standard collar and leash. When walking the puppy, if he pulls you should stop and wait for him to loosen the leash, before you begin again. If he just stops and won't move, snap the leash repeatly til he comes. Do not apply a constant pull for he will think its a challenge.  Good Luck...
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
*gasp!*
I would NEVER NEVER EVER advise anyone to "snap" the leash on the collar of a 3 months old baby puppy!!!
Puppies at this age need ENCOURAGEMENT and HELP to come along on the leash.
That puppy is just a baby.
I would STRONGLY URGE you to find a different training class, as these methods are archaic and NOT necessary to train dogs, not even BIG dogs.
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I understand your concerns, but maybe I mislead you by the word snap. Quick wrist snaps, not yanking. Plus I forgot to mention it should be perform with words come, come, come at the same time. My puppy isn't that bad, but his brother is a LOG. Meaning if it wasn't for the quick snaps, you'd be sitting in the same spot all day. Maybe it is specific for the Great Pyr breeds, I don't know. But, I am happy with the training I have received so far.
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Hello,
I'm glad that the methods are working for you, MyDyson. However, I would suggest that you be careful, since I'm not quite sure what you mean by "quick wrist snaps. " A quick and fairly gentle tug sufficient get a pup's attention, a "yank," can actually be better than a snap. A true snap involves putting some slack into the leash and then, WHAM, jerking the leash quickly and quickly letting it go; it is much the same as the way towels are snapped. It really gets a dog's attention and is very effective, but it is also somewhat harsh.
While I think this has its place in getting the training an older pup or an adult dog that is being disrespectful by ignoring important words like "come," when he already knows them, your puppy probably doesn't fully understand its meaning yet. He probably isn't being disrespectful right now; that would be more likely if he had previously learned about walking on-leash and the word come, and he was an adolescent puppy or adult dog.
Also, I would suggest that you teach him to walk on-leash before come. Associating those snaps, even if they are just short tugs, with the word come, would not be good for your pup. He needs to think, especially when first learning the word, that come is a very GOOD word. When he is obeying this command, GOOD things happen. The time for corrections with come is later, when he knows the word well and is being disrespectful by ignoring you/not paying attention. (Of course, if you thought he hadn't heard you, you would repeat the command in a loud, stern voice before punishing him with real snaps. They really aren't something to use lightly; tugs work better with puppies.) BUT, when he gets to you, having fulfilled the command, make sure to do something really good: pet him, praise him, give him a treat, throw him a toy, do something that he just loves.
Instead of come, with teaching him to walk on-leash, I would encourage him to come closer: snap your fingers, cluck or kiss to him, say his name in a happy voice. I will repeat: the use for punishment is with a disrespectful dog; puppies that don't know any better aren't being disrespectful. If he is pulling you, I might try giving the leash a tug just as he hits the end of it, before he is pulling. If he learns that he can pull, you will probably have more trouble teaching him than if the notion never enters his head. Another effective thing that some people do is to turn around and walk in the other when the pup gets to the end of the leash; this only works when a pup is still fairly small, because a large dog will just drag you off.
All of this is just my opinion on training puppies, but it does seem to work for me. Our 5-month-old Kuvasz puppy (our first puppy too), Sapphire, is pretty good with come and will consistently run to me off-leash from all the way across the yard when I call her. While she still needs more work, I think she is coming along nicely. With walking on-leash, unless she gets scared, quick tugs are all she needs as a reminder to not pull on the leash. Even when she is scared, one firm tug will usually stop her from running or hiding; I have not found snaps necessary. She is pretty big too, I'm guessing 60+ lbs., since she was about 45 lbs. when last weighed at 16 weeks; the "little" girl could probably drag me a bit if she really wanted to.
Hope everything goes well,
Sofia
P.S. I would consider seriously considering Red's opinions, because she really knows what she is talking about. Or it seems that way. ;D