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: MAJOR KIBBLE RE-CALL
: Winslow 151 March 19, 2007, 07:48:48 AM
Hi,
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This was all over the news Locally in New England just wanted to Pass it along.

There has been a major recall of Dog and Cat Kibble due to an ingredient causing High Blood Pressure and Heart problems.

here is the link http://www.menufoods.com/recall/

I hope no ones pets are affected.
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: People Whisperer March 19, 2007, 08:10:52 AM
It's not a kibble but rather wet foods that are being recalled..."gravy style" ones. All of the brands are not good ones anyways. People should know that if they pay "nothing" they will get "nothing... good for their pet's health"
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: rayray March 21, 2007, 07:06:18 AM
untrue.  nutro was on that list as were some other quality brands.
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 07:17:27 AM
untrue.  nutro was on that list as were some other quality brands.
[Nutro is not good food!]
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: Winslow 151 March 21, 2007, 07:17:40 AM
Hi

Weather good brands or not some people can only feed what they can afford and no matter what we may think, no pet should suffer or become Ill because of not knowing about a re-call.
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 07:19:52 AM
Hi

Weather good brands or not some people can only feed what they can afford and no matter what we may think, no pet should suffer or become Ill because of not knowing about a re-call.
It's like with having children...if you can afford to feed them quality food you should probably not have them.
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: Winslow 151 March 21, 2007, 07:21:48 AM
Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, you really should be open to the fact that some people just don't know better.
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: R. Sawh March 21, 2007, 07:29:53 AM
I was under the impression Nutro was really good food. Why do you say it isn't?
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 07:31:42 AM
Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, you really should be open to the fact that some people just don't know better.
That is exactly what I don't understand!!! When you by a can of soup for you and your family don't you want to know what's in it? If you see the info which is totally confusing (BHA, BTA, by-products....) why don't you go and research things? Why people think that no matter what they feed their dogs they should end up with a healthy and a happy dog?
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 07:40:39 AM
I was under the impression Nutro was really good food. Why do you say it isn't?
It's OK. It is much better than Purina or Pedigree.

Here is the ingredients I pulled from their website.  

Lamb Meal, Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Rice Bran, Soybean Oil, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Natural Flavors, Rice Gluten, Dried Egg Product, Dried Beet Pulp, Potassium Chloride, L-Lysine, Dried Kelp (source of Iodine), Salt, Choline Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, Ferrous Sulfate, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Biotin, Copper Proteinate, Niacin, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Vitamin A Supplement, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chondroitin Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid.

And here are the ingredients from a very nice food bag. Just look and compare.

Healthy, Natural Ingredients
Lamb Meal, Oatmeal, Brown Rice, Barley, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Menhaden Fish Meal, Dicalcium Phosphate, Flaxseed Meal, Montmorillonit e Clay, Natural Lamb Flavor, Alfalfa Meal, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Biotin, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ethylenediamin e Dihydriodide, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Folic Acid), Sea Salt, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Sodium Selenite), Lamb Liver, Inulin, Flaxseed Oil, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Apples, Carrots, Peas, Freeze Dried Lamb, Freeze Dried Lamb Hearts, Freeze Dried Lamb Liver, Pumpkinseeds, Ground Lamb Bone, Butternut Squash, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Kelp, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Persimmons, Olive Oil, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Sage, Clove, Rosemary Extract
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 07:45:52 AM
I think there is a bigger factor at play than owner education or affordability going on here ... the pet food companies are irresponsible!  Should you expect inferior ingredients from inferior foods?  Sure.  Should you expect your pet to suddenly go into liver failure and die?  Of course not!  No one deserves that, regardless of the product.  These companies need to be held accountable for the products they are putting on the shelves.  This is FOOD.  There is NO reason for it to do damage such as this.  If this were food created for people, we'd be looking at a whole difference scenario here.  

IMO, the real culprit is the lack of education and regulation in the pet food industry.  It is just atrocious.  I'll get down off my soapbox now.
What I don't understand is how most of the Vets don't educate people at all. How come they know nothing about nutrition? Every friend of mine is looking at the Vet like at the God. They say "My Vet had recommended to feed Iams! He said the food is good! Why would I listen to you and not to someone with Advanced Degree?" Good question, ah? Most of my friend feed their dogs Iams, Eukanuba, Pedigree because their vets said it's OK!
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 21, 2007, 07:47:03 AM
Hm, I know what that food is but I can't think of it lol. I recognize the ingredients from doing my research, it was one I was considering for our last doggy.
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 21, 2007, 07:50:48 AM
I think there is a bigger factor at play than owner education or affordability going on here ... the pet food companies are irresponsible!  Should you expect inferior ingredients from inferior foods?  Sure.  Should you expect your pet to suddenly go into liver failure and die?  Of course not!  No one deserves that, regardless of the product.  These companies need to be held accountable for the products they are putting on the shelves.  This is FOOD.  There is NO reason for it to do damage such as this.  If this were food created for people, we'd be looking at a whole difference scenario here.  

IMO, the real culprit is the lack of education and regulation in the pet food industry.  It is just atrocious.  I'll get down off my soapbox now.
What I don't understand is how most of the Vets don't educate people at all. How come they know nothing about nutrition? Every friend of mine is looking at the Vet like at the God. They say "My Vet had recommended to feed Iams! He said the food is good! Why would I listen to you and not to someone with Advanced Degree?" Good question, ah? Most of my friend feed their dogs Iams, Eukanuba, Pedigree because their vets said it's OK!

It's the same with most people and Dr.'s though, where they or their children's health and lives are concerned. What can ya do? Just try to educate and not judge, that's my take on it anyway.

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that it's my job to educate myself. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 07:56:38 AM
I think there is a bigger factor at play than owner education or affordability going on here ... the pet food companies are irresponsible!  Should you expect inferior ingredients from inferior foods?  Sure.  Should you expect your pet to suddenly go into liver failure and die?  Of course not!  No one deserves that, regardless of the product.  These companies need to be held accountable for the products they are putting on the shelves.  This is FOOD.  There is NO reason for it to do damage such as this.  If this were food created for people, we'd be looking at a whole difference scenario here.  

IMO, the real culprit is the lack of education and regulation in the pet food industry.  It is just atrocious.  I'll get down off my soapbox now.
What I don't understand is how most of the Vets don't educate people at all. How come they know nothing about nutrition? Every friend of mine is looking at the Vet like at the God. They say "My Vet had recommended to feed Iams! He said the food is good! Why would I listen to you and not to someone with Advanced Degree?" Good question, ah? Most of my friend feed their dogs Iams, Eukanuba, Pedigree because their vets said it's OK!

It's the same with most people and Dr.'s though, where they or their children's health and lives are concerned. What can ya do? Just try to educate and not judge, that's my take on it anyway.

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that it's my job to educate myself. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.
It would be OK with me as well if I don't have to walk out with a crazy bill every time I go there.
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 21, 2007, 07:59:16 AM
I think there is a bigger factor at play than owner education or affordability going on here ... the pet food companies are irresponsible!  Should you expect inferior ingredients from inferior foods?  Sure.  Should you expect your pet to suddenly go into liver failure and die?  Of course not!  No one deserves that, regardless of the product.  These companies need to be held accountable for the products they are putting on the shelves.  This is FOOD.  There is NO reason for it to do damage such as this.  If this were food created for people, we'd be looking at a whole difference scenario here.  

IMO, the real culprit is the lack of education and regulation in the pet food industry.  It is just atrocious.  I'll get down off my soapbox now.
What I don't understand is how most of the Vets don't educate people at all. How come they know nothing about nutrition? Every friend of mine is looking at the Vet like at the God. They say "My Vet had recommended to feed Iams! He said the food is good! Why would I listen to you and not to someone with Advanced Degree?" Good question, ah? Most of my friend feed their dogs Iams, Eukanuba, Pedigree because their vets said it's OK!

It's the same with most people and Dr.'s though, where they or their children's health and lives are concerned. What can ya do? Just try to educate and not judge, that's my take on it anyway.

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that it's my job to educate myself. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.
It would be OK with me as well if I don't have to walk out with a crazy bill every time I go there.

haha, amen.
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 08:02:15 AM

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that's my job to learn it. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.

Kristina,

That always blows my mind. All of the vets around here carry Science Diet and act like it's the best food around...but they get a wicked cut of the profit.

Anyway, my girls have been on Innova and Nutro and to be perfectly frank, their poops are better on Nutro, they have more energy, and the just seem better and healthier in general on the Nutro. It may not be a great food, but they truly seem better on it. Now, I mix both...

Whatever works, works.  They are fit, lean and extremely healthy.

Julie
Julie, your dogs have better poop with nutro because it has beet pulp in it. It eliminates moisture from dogs colon to make it harder.  
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 21, 2007, 08:04:34 AM

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that's my job to learn it. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.

Kristina,

That always blows my mind. All of the vets around here carry Science Diet and act like it's the best food around...but they get a wicked cut of the profit.

Anyway, my girls have been on Innova and Nutro and to be perfectly frank, their poops are better on Nutro, they have more energy, and the just seem better and healthier in general on the Nutro. It may not be a great food, but they truly seem better on it. Now, I mix both...

Whatever works, works.  They are fit, lean and extremely healthy.

Julie
Julie, your dogs have better poop with nutro because it has beet pulp in it. It eliminates moisture from dogs colon to make it harder.  

i think my dogs could use a case of beet pulp then lol. i never thought i'd get so excited over a solid dog poop. :-\
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 08:10:15 AM

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that's my job to learn it. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.

Kristina,

That always blows my mind. All of the vets around here carry Science Diet and act like it's the best food around...but they get a wicked cut of the profit.

Anyway, my girls have been on Innova and Nutro and to be perfectly frank, their poops are better on Nutro, they have more energy, and the just seem better and healthier in general on the Nutro. It may not be a great food, but they truly seem better on it. Now, I mix both...

Whatever works, works.  They are fit, lean and extremely healthy.

Julie
Julie, your dogs have better poop with nutro because it has beet pulp in it. It eliminates moisture from dogs colon to make it harder.  

i think my dogs could use a case of beet pulp then lol. i never thought i'd get so excited over a solid dog poop. :-\
Have you tried adding canned pumpkin to their meals? It does miracles. I also use Herbal Remedy for loose stools. Ther time a day and the troubles are over!
By the way, my pup was on Solid Gold Wolfcub for the first 3 weeks. I had problems with stool and stinky urine (salmon!) then. I switched to Innova later. We are on Nature's Variety now. Both are very good!
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 21, 2007, 08:23:35 AM

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that's my job to learn it. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.

Kristina,

That always blows my mind. All of the vets around here carry Science Diet and act like it's the best food around...but they get a wicked cut of the profit.

Anyway, my girls have been on Innova and Nutro and to be perfectly frank, their poops are better on Nutro, they have more energy, and the just seem better and healthier in general on the Nutro. It may not be a great food, but they truly seem better on it. Now, I mix both...

Whatever works, works.  They are fit, lean and extremely healthy.

Julie
Julie, your dogs have better poop with nutro because it has beet pulp in it. It eliminates moisture from dogs colon to make it harder.  

i think my dogs could use a case of beet pulp then lol. i never thought i'd get so excited over a solid dog poop. :-\
Have you tried adding canned pumpkin to their meals? It does miracles. I also use Herbal Remedy for loose stools. Ther time a day and the troubles are over!
By the way, my pup was on Solid Gold Wolfcub for the first 3 weeks. I had problems with stool and stinky urine (salmon!) then. I switched to Innova later. We are on Nature's Variety now. Both are very good!

Actually yes, the pumpkin is the first thing I tried but they refuse to eat it. :-\ My last dog lapped the stuff up but not these guys. My breeder told me to get them on some plain yogurt which I did but that didn't make a bit of difference. They LOVE carrots and when they eat those it does the trick, of course.

Well I wasn't impressed with Solid Gold's customer service
when I called to tell them what was going on and ask how long I should expect the problem to last. They just told me it could be several weeks and to add in a digestive enzyme..I assume she meant the one they make which I didn't have on hand. I already had a bag of Canidae here waiting to transtiion them because it was even lower in protein and I felt like the ingredients were better, so I emailed that company and they got back to me asap which was impressive. Because the Candiae contains the enzymes and probiotics she said most do well with a quick transition so I started combining the 2 and it didn't make anything worse! haha

Then I found out at the vets last week that they had a bacteria in their stool and they put them on meds for 5 days. Little did I know it could cause diarrhea until I went home and rearched it, and here my vet was talking about changing their food..I just don't know about that vet but that's another story. Anyway, I'm thinking they've had this bacteria for weeks and they didn't catch it and that's what's caused all the trouble. >:(
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 08:31:44 AM

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that's my job to learn it. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.

Kristina,

That always blows my mind. All of the vets around here carry Science Diet and act like it's the best food around...but they get a wicked cut of the profit.

Anyway, my girls have been on Innova and Nutro and to be perfectly frank, their poops are better on Nutro, they have more energy, and the just seem better and healthier in general on the Nutro. It may not be a great food, but they truly seem better on it. Now, I mix both...

Whatever works, works.  They are fit, lean and extremely healthy.

Julie
Julie, your dogs have better poop with nutro because it has beet pulp in it. It eliminates moisture from dogs colon to make it harder.  

i think my dogs could use a case of beet pulp then lol. i never thought i'd get so excited over a solid dog poop. :-\
Have you tried adding canned pumpkin to their meals? It does miracles. I also use Herbal Remedy for loose stools. Ther time a day and the troubles are over!
By the way, my pup was on Solid Gold Wolfcub for the first 3 weeks. I had problems with stool and stinky urine (salmon!) then. I switched to Innova later. We are on Nature's Variety now. Both are very good!

Actually yes, the pumpkin is the first thing I tried but they refuse to eat it. :-\ My last dog lapped the stuff up but not these guys. My breeder told me to get them on some plain yogurt which I did but that didn't make a bit of difference. They LOVE carrots and when they eat those it does the trick, of course.

Well I wasn't impressed with Solid Gold's customer service
when I called to tell them what was going on and ask how long I should expect the problem to last. They just told me it could be several weeks and to add in a digestive enzyme..I assume she meant the one they make which I didn't have on hand. I already had a bag of Canidae here waiting to transtiion them because it was even lower in protein and I felt like the ingredients were better, so I emailed that company and they got back to me asap which was impressive. Because the Candiae contains the enzymes and probiotics she said most do well with a quick transition so I started combining the 2 and it didn't make anything worse! haha

Then I found out at the vets last week that they had a bacteria in their stool and they put them on meds for 5 days. Little did I know it could cause diarrhea until I went home and rearched it, and here my vet was talking about changing their food..I just don't know about that vet but that's another story. Anyway, I'm thinking they've had this bacteria for weeks and they didn't catch it and that's what's caused all the trouble. >:(
Are you talking about gardia and coccodia? Most of the pups have it. Breeders don't want to put pups on antibiotics when they are little and that is why we, the owners, get it with pups!lol
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 21, 2007, 08:38:37 AM

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that's my job to learn it. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.

Kristina,

That always blows my mind. All of the vets around here carry Science Diet and act like it's the best food around...but they get a wicked cut of the profit.

Anyway, my girls have been on Innova and Nutro and to be perfectly frank, their poops are better on Nutro, they have more energy, and the just seem better and healthier in general on the Nutro. It may not be a great food, but they truly seem better on it. Now, I mix both...

Whatever works, works.  They are fit, lean and extremely healthy.

Julie
Julie, your dogs have better poop with nutro because it has beet pulp in it. It eliminates moisture from dogs colon to make it harder.  

i think my dogs could use a case of beet pulp then lol. i never thought i'd get so excited over a solid dog poop. :-\
Have you tried adding canned pumpkin to their meals? It does miracles. I also use Herbal Remedy for loose stools. Ther time a day and the troubles are over!
By the way, my pup was on Solid Gold Wolfcub for the first 3 weeks. I had problems with stool and stinky urine (salmon!) then. I switched to Innova later. We are on Nature's Variety now. Both are very good!

Actually yes, the pumpkin is the first thing I tried but they refuse to eat it. :-\ My last dog lapped the stuff up but not these guys. My breeder told me to get them on some plain yogurt which I did but that didn't make a bit of difference. They LOVE carrots and when they eat those it does the trick, of course.

Well I wasn't impressed with Solid Gold's customer service
when I called to tell them what was going on and ask how long I should expect the problem to last. They just told me it could be several weeks and to add in a digestive enzyme..I assume she meant the one they make which I didn't have on hand. I already had a bag of Canidae here waiting to transtiion them because it was even lower in protein and I felt like the ingredients were better, so I emailed that company and they got back to me asap which was impressive. Because the Candiae contains the enzymes and probiotics she said most do well with a quick transition so I started combining the 2 and it didn't make anything worse! haha

Then I found out at the vets last week that they had a bacteria in their stool and they put them on meds for 5 days. Little did I know it could cause diarrhea until I went home and rearched it, and here my vet was talking about changing their food..I just don't know about that vet but that's another story. Anyway, I'm thinking they've had this bacteria for weeks and they didn't catch it and that's what's caused all the trouble. >:(
Are you talking about gardia and coccodia? Most of the pups have it. Breeders don't want to put pups on antibiotics when they are little and that is why we, the owners, get it with pups!lol

Yep those are the ones! That's what she treated them for anyway...well the Coccodia, according to what I found out about the medication. They took a sample from each and did a float test and then she came back and wanted a second sample for a different test that would show the actual bacteria not eggs.. and she told me that if one had it, the other one would so she just took it from Yiska. I guess I don't understand why they didn't run both test at the first visit ..oh I know, cause that first fecal was free! lol

Anyway they finished the meds 2 days ago and I *think* they're doing better. I'm too scared to be hopeful.
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: People Whisperer March 21, 2007, 08:47:22 AM

My vet is pushing to switch my guys' food and seeing as all they carry is Science Diet I know where her suggestion is leading and I know she's full of crap so I just nod knowing she knows nothing about nutrition and that's my job to learn it. It would be nice if more vets/dr's were educated on nutrition and other things but it is the way it is I guess.

Kristina,

That always blows my mind. All of the vets around here carry Science Diet and act like it's the best food around...but they get a wicked cut of the profit.

Anyway, my girls have been on Innova and Nutro and to be perfectly frank, their poops are better on Nutro, they have more energy, and the just seem better and healthier in general on the Nutro. It may not be a great food, but they truly seem better on it. Now, I mix both...

Whatever works, works.  They are fit, lean and extremely healthy.

Julie
Julie, your dogs have better poop with nutro because it has beet pulp in it. It eliminates moisture from dogs colon to make it harder.  

i think my dogs could use a case of beet pulp then lol. i never thought i'd get so excited over a solid dog poop. :-\
Have you tried adding canned pumpkin to their meals? It does miracles. I also use Herbal Remedy for loose stools. Ther time a day and the troubles are over!
By the way, my pup was on Solid Gold Wolfcub for the first 3 weeks. I had problems with stool and stinky urine (salmon!) then. I switched to Innova later. We are on Nature's Variety now. Both are very good!

Actually yes, the pumpkin is the first thing I tried but they refuse to eat it. :-\ My last dog lapped the stuff up but not these guys. My breeder told me to get them on some plain yogurt which I did but that didn't make a bit of difference. They LOVE carrots and when they eat those it does the trick, of course.

Well I wasn't impressed with Solid Gold's customer service
when I called to tell them what was going on and ask how long I should expect the problem to last. They just told me it could be several weeks and to add in a digestive enzyme..I assume she meant the one they make which I didn't have on hand. I already had a bag of Canidae here waiting to transtiion them because it was even lower in protein and I felt like the ingredients were better, so I emailed that company and they got back to me asap which was impressive. Because the Candiae contains the enzymes and probiotics she said most do well with a quick transition so I started combining the 2 and it didn't make anything worse! haha

Then I found out at the vets last week that they had a bacteria in their stool and they put them on meds for 5 days. Little did I know it could cause diarrhea until I went home and rearched it, and here my vet was talking about changing their food..I just don't know about that vet but that's another story. Anyway, I'm thinking they've had this bacteria for weeks and they didn't catch it and that's what's caused all the trouble. >:(
Are you talking about gardia and coccodia? Most of the pups have it. Breeders don't want to put pups on antibiotics when they are little and that is why we, the owners, get it with pups!lol

Yep those are the ones! That's what she treated them for anyway...well the Coccodia, according to what I found out about the medication. They took a sample from each and did a float test and then she came back and wanted a second sample for a different test that would show the actual bacteria not eggs.. and she told me that if one had it, the other one would so she just took it from Yiska. I guess I don't understand why they didn't run both test at the first visit ..oh I know, cause that first fecal was free! lol

Anyway they finished the meds 2 days ago and I *think* they're doing better. I'm too scared to be hopeful.
These bacterias don't come out with every stool, lol I am serious though. Some time they come out ones a week and some dogs carry them around for months. They are not as bad as your vet might have presented. Dogs get them from changing foods, from stress, from moving from anything! There are very good herbal drops to treat it without antibiotics.
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 21, 2007, 08:59:36 AM

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These bacterias don't come out with every stool, lol I am serious though. Some time they come out ones a week and some dogs carry them around for months. They are not as bad as your vet might have presented. Dogs get them from changing foods, from stress, from moving from anything! There are very good herbal drops to treat it without antibiotics.
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Yeah, I am sure there are but I was there and she said that and I was like oh boy here we go again with something else. It's always something. And she didn't explain it like that, but I did find out what it's caused from and that makes sense. I usually go the alternative route but so far I've been faced with a couple different issues since I got them and am trying to get them back a healthy state, or TO a healthy state. I think between the bacteria and the food change and the taking them away from their littermates and all that stress, on top of them being wormed the first 3 days.. it's just been a whole snowball effect but I can't wait for some consistent normal stools, I just can't tell you hahah.
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 21, 2007, 09:02:51 AM
How old is Lily now? She has such a sweet face, it reminds me of Yukon's..very sheepish like.
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: R. Sawh March 21, 2007, 01:43:09 PM
Funny about the beet pulp in Nutro.
I talked to a Nutro representative in my pet store and she told me that dogs poop less on Nutro because they only use the inside of the corn kernel so the dog can completely digest it. Normally corn would just be excreted- causing more poop and less nutrition. Made sense to me but I didn't think about the beet pulp adding to the less poop.
My pup defiantly poops a lot less on Nutro and I love it. Now I just have to go clean the backyard now that all the piles aren't buried under snow. 
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: Anakalia March 22, 2007, 02:38:32 AM

That much snow + 3 big-ish dogs + little yard = gross.

I hired a pooper scooper lady. She comes every week. I love her.  :D  And she disinfects her tools, shoes and changes clothes between each house so that she doesn't spread disease...and she takes the waste with her when she leaves.

Julie

I bet the pooper scooper lady got a big suprise after the snow melted!  I do not envy her! hahaha
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 22, 2007, 02:45:05 AM

That much snow + 3 big-ish dogs + little yard = gross.

I hired a pooper scooper lady. She comes every week. I love her.  :D  And she disinfects her tools, shoes and changes clothes between each house so that she doesn't spread disease...and she takes the waste with her when she leaves.

Julie

I bet the pooper scooper lady got a big suprise after the snow melted!  I do not envy her! hahaha

yeah i've considered hiring one too at least until i can get these dogs bowels back to normal. how cruel of me, they would love me. ;D
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: mama23+pyrs2 March 22, 2007, 03:14:07 AM
Oh girls, you have no idea. They go on the north side of the house, which takes the longest to melt...and is right next to the sidewalk (we're on a corner) and it smelled SO bad. It was sooo embarrassing.  Basically, it was 2.5-3 months of poops. I was getting ready to go pooper scoop--In the winter, I usually do it once a week and then the blizzard hit. I literally couldn't get to it for about 12 weeks because the snow wouldn't melt. It was SICK.  But everyone's were like that. Finally, I got to it (I did the major cleanup and then sent her in). It filled 3 kitchen bags.

SICK.

lol thats alot! i know after 3 days of just 2 puppies going it feels like the bag weighs about 5 lbs so i just can't imagine, ewww
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: jennifer March 22, 2007, 05:20:44 AM
Hi

Weather good brands or not some people can only feed what they can afford and no matter what we may think, no pet should suffer or become Ill because of not knowing about a re-call.

Thanks Winslow's Dad. I agree -- and appreciate the info. :)
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: dohertyswissy March 23, 2007, 05:33:40 AM
Don't know if you guys heard.. but they determined what has been making the animals sick.  Apparently it is a rat poison that is illegal in this country, but was used by the producer of the wheat in China. 
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: Anakalia March 23, 2007, 05:48:11 AM
Oh wow!!!  Why would someone have rat poison by wheat?  That's kinda confusing, I just feel so sad for all the pets affected by this!  :(
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: dohertyswissy March 23, 2007, 07:11:56 AM
I know... it is INSANE.  I just can't believe it.  No wonder why I have developed a serious distrust of big companies (one of the main reasons I'm trying to move to a smaller one).

Apparently there are some lawsuits that are already being brought against the company.
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: jabear March 23, 2007, 07:34:30 AM
Apparently there are some lawsuits that are already being brought against the company.

I know. The news did a huge story on it last night and on all the dogs that are in one vet's office in serious/critical condition for kidney failure. Thank God Bear's food wasn't list but it sure is one super scary ordeal. Each time I buy his food from now on it will be with some hesisitation.