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BPO General Forum => General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws => : Anky December 10, 2005, 09:12:28 PM
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I know the agreeing posts are voluminous, but can I add another one? I'm new here, but I noticed right away how people phrase responses here that are, for the most part, nonthreatening and helpful. Most people really do love their pets, and to ask and honest innocent question and get attacked is what drove me from several boards when I just wanted some sense of community and support. I am TERRIBLY guilty of asking stupid questions, and it's not because I don't want to do the best by my animals, I just honestly don't know. A rude reply simply makes the person resent the advice and try to go it alone, which in the end is less beneficial to the animals. I once asked a question on another board based solely on some bad advice from my vet, and was completely attacked for being an idiot who had no clue what was best for my animals. That said, I apologize in advance for asking stupid questions (and posting where the posting has been done), and thanks in advance for getting patient replies.
I saw this on another post, that's on a sticky and I know that I usually don't look at the stickies. I thought I'd bring it up because it kind of hit home for me.
You all know how even tempered and patient I am (For you new people, that's me being immensely sarcastic.) Sometimes I get irritated with people who post things that I think are trite and trivial. I think that any idiot who's getting a dog should know these things. I get mad when I have to deign to answer things that we've all answered a billion times. Then reading Jessica's post it dawned on me.
Not everyone has the luck that we do to have researched our medical resources. Not everyone has breed knowledge. Some people don't even know how to use the internet, and the ones that have base knowledge don't know the first place to go to to look for an answer. Even though BPO hasn't been around long at all in comparison to some of the other groups online, our archives are HUGE and sometimes the search engine does't find what we need.
Also some people are getting advice from people they think know what they're doing. Why wouldn't Jessica trust her vet? The friend that just got a GSD puppy's FIL insisted to be that if you put a dog with prick ears on a cable run, they'll go deaf from the zipping noise. My aunt told me that I had to feed my Dane pup 12 times a day.
So just a reminder. These people want what's best for their dogs, just like we do. Be patient, be understanding, and answer the same question 80 million times. It won't kill you :) Trust me. If we can do the saddle thing, we can do this ;)
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Very well said Ang! Nobody knows everything and we learn from each other every day. Whether you are new or old to BPO....questio ns, comments, concers, and suggestions are ALWAYS welcome in a respectful manner. ;D
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If we can do the saddle thing, we can do this Wink
Absolutely!! I LOVE it! Great point, Ang!
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How old should Tonka be before I breed him to my toy poodle, Bogart (also, at what age is a good time to do a sex change operation on a toy poodle....I want him to be a breeding bitch)
I think they will be the cutest puppies...anyo ne want one? ;)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/staceycouch/tonkawithbogart.jpg)
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I just about spit out my soda when I read that Stacey....not funny but yes, very cute indeed.
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LOL, did I scare you?? Just kidding guys! I agree with the post Ang stickied here.....I love BPO because (aside from questions like my above joke, I am sure) everyone is so friendly and understanding and willing to help with what may seem like ridiculous or petty problems.
Thanks guys for all of your support.....
does anyone know how to make a fetus stop kicking my A**????
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Whenever I see someone bombarded for asking an innocent question, I email them and send them here. Actually, to be totally honest, I think I wrote it just to convince myself :P You know, if you say something "Outloud" it makes it true. ;D
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How old should Tonka be before I breed him to my toy poodle, Bogart (also, at what age is a good time to do a sex change operation on a toy poodle....I want him to be a breeding bitch)
I think they will be the cutest puppies...anyo ne want one? ;)
would that make the pups "tonka-doodles?"
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/staceycouch/tonkawithbogart.jpg)
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How old should Tonka be before I breed him to my toy poodle, Bogart (also, at what age is a good time to do a sex change operation on a toy poodle....I want him to be a breeding bitch)
I think they will be the cutest puppies...anyo ne want one? ;)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/staceycouch/tonkawithbogart.jpg)
:o ROTFL, yes I know you are kidding. Okay Ang, let's see you do your best, in all BPO politeness to correct her and talk her out of it. This should be fun and great practice in patience. Ang, Stacey, are you two game?
Deena
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Ok I am game.....pract ice makes perfect Ang lol.
My "Not So Great Dane" designer pups are going to be the cutest little things....I think I will sell them for $1500! They are going to be really big and they won't shed and they may even talk like Scooby Doo!
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Ummm yeah..... this would be one of the posts I would stay FAR away from, watch everyone else deal with it and PM people how angry I am and use bad words.
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Ang, I'm so disapointed!!! :D Where are your standards?!
Anybody else out there want to reply? Come on...Stacey needs some help here! :D
Deena
P.S. Seriously, Ang, it was a good thing that you brought this up.
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OK FINE! Stacey, I would abstain from breeding your Dane to your toy poodle as your Dane's "Breeding equipment" is roughly the size of your whole poodle, and as such will make your poodle explode.
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ROFLMAO.....
What about KY....he is a pretty tough poodle.....and he spent some hard time in a kennel once for running away (and you know how those kennel dogs are when they have been inside for awhile!)
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Ang, (clapping here) you did marvelous! ;D ;D ;D
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It makes me wonder how mixes like this can happen: http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/dogs/65f7d9ba-08b1.aspx
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That's interesting. Under where they have their website, it's a rescue site.
http://www.puppyfind2.com/
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This does NOT look like a rescue to me! Why?
1) pups and dogs are not advertised as spayed/neutered or even spay/neuter included in adoption fee.
2) adoption fees are outrageous - more like breeder fees
3) why advertise that a "rescue" can be registered CKC, AKC or anywhere? Why would you care if a rescue is registered? A rescue can't (or SHOULDN'T be bred) because it will be (or SHOULD BE) altered!
4) funny how most of their "rescues" are the same cross-breeds as their new-fashion breeds!
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That's what I meant Jeanne (I'm slow today). :(
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That site should be called "leftovers" not "rescues".
My blood is boiling!
And, Ang, I knew you saw through that B.S. I just had to elaborate.
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It makes me wonder how mixes like this can happen: http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/dogs/65f7d9ba-08b1.aspx
Brandon, standard poodles are big dogs...
And then there is AI...
Sofia
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Ohhh that is sooo pis..ing me off. It is hard enough to work in rescue without fake rescues around.....
I am always checking the class. in the paper, to see whats out there, and the other day I saw a big ad, saying "finally a pet store that sells pets, we always have at least 50 puppies for sale" and we all know where those puppies come from right? Puppy mills.
We went the weekend before last, but they were closed, I am going to go there, being the stupid dog byer who wants a "christmas puppy" for my kids and see what I can figure out, if we have another puppy mill around here I sure would like to make life harder for them. We have had our share of closed down puppy mills in NC, just since I moved here 5 years ago. I hate it and will never get used to the idea of selling cats and dogs in a pet store.
Marit
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Well, they do require spay/neuter:
spay/neuter certificate must be returned to angel wings rescue .before the puppy reaches 6 months of age. you will see that he will make a much better and welbehaved family member.
http://www.puppyfind2.com/page2/index.html
I'm just looking around the website now. What IS strange is that they only deal with puppies.
Sofia
Edited because: They do have a few adults, but the "adoption fees" are super high.
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Well, they do require spay/neuter:
spay/neuter certificate must be returned to angel wings rescue .before the puppy reaches 6 months of age. you will see that he will make a much better and welbehaved family member.
http://www.puppyfind2.com/page2/index.html
I'm just looking around the website now. What IS strange is that they only deal with puppies.
Sofia
Edited because: They do have a few adults, but the "adoption fees" are super high.
Yeah, but for $550+ "adoption" fee they should be ensuring those dogs are altered BEFORE they leave for their new homes! I wonder what their follow-up procedure is for that. Our adoption fee is only $75 - $150 and no dog leaves unspayed/neutered. For $550+ (if they are a legitimate rescue) they could spay/neuter those dogs TWICE!
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I think you are probably correct about them not being a legitimate rescue, but I thought I should point out that they do not want the dogs to be bred.
I don't think it is really right that they deal so much with puppies. Why are they almost all puppies? That, together with the fees, is the biggest "red flag," IMO.
I'm sorry if I annoyed anyone or gave them the wrong impression.
Sofia
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Yeah, I noticed they were almost all puppies as well. On their contract page, it sounds very much like a bad breeder contract. Starting on the top of the page, before you even get to the actual contract, it is going over no refund for this illness or that illness, and then lists all the things they may have, and what to do if they do have them. I guess I'm not familiar with rescues anymore since I haven't adopted from one in years, but as far as I know, they don't word it quite like that.
Plus, most rescues do not ship out their dogs. Most will only adopt w/i driving distance. I think b/c they actually do have other dogs they are finding homes for they can call themselves a rescue, even though most of their dogs appear to be of their own breedings. I don't think that is right, and don't think they should be able to call themselves a rescue, but I'm sure that is why they can get away with it.
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Well a rescue can adopt out an animal who is not yet altered, BUT they would require a contract with the vet who is going to alter the dog once in the new owners care. AND that altering has to be pre paied by the new owner.
It is hard to adopt out these days, so a lot of rescue groups have a transportation network. MCR, we are transporting cats many hundreds miles. we set up legs and if the transport is really long, there are foster parents or the rescue transporter who will take the cat(s) in over night and then continue the transport the next day. BUT almost always there has to be a home visit done beforehand too.
I have never heard of a rescue group who's adoption fee is $ 500, for dogs everything from $ 75 to $ 250 is normal, the higher is mostly for "breed" rescue groups, and most rescue groups who has proven themselves are tax deductable.
There are a few things with this site that is just making the alarm go off.
Marit
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We have sent adoptions all over the country - Petfinder is the BEST! And, we either find transporters or the new family pays for transportation via airlines, etc. or comes and gets the pet. However, they don't leave until they are spayed/neutered unless they are going within a 60 mile radius where we can check on them ourselves - even then we have to be REALLY sure about the new home. However, many rescues will not adopt outside of a certain radius. I've found it's about 50/50 with rescues. I've NEVER seen adoption fees higher than $350 for a rescued dog - and, you're right - those are mainly with breed rescues.
Our contract states there are no guarantees as to health, etc. and the new family must agree to provide any medical treatment needed for the pet for the life of the pet. If for some reason, the family cannot keep the pet anymore, they MUST return it to us. They DO NOT get a refund! (We have a 3 day policy - if within 3 days of adoption, they decide the pet is not for them, they can return it for a refund of the adoption fee. After that 3 days, they do not get their money back, but MUST return the pet to us if they can no longer care for it).
This doesn't sound like a rescue contract to me either.
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Ok I am game.....pract ice makes perfect Ang lol.
My "Not So Great Dane" designer pups are going to be the cutest little things....I think I will sell them for $1500! They are going to be really big and they won't shed and they may even talk like Scooby Doo!Â
I just want to know if they are going to drool or yap their heads off...Please p.m. me...ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! :D