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BPO Medical Forum => Medical Conditions & Diseases => : bogardgirl October 08, 2005, 01:51:13 AM
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My poor little Bogard is sick! It all started last Friday, when he started coughing in the morning. Kind of a gagging, hacking type of cough. He then developed a thick, green/yellow mucous discharge from his nose mostly, a little bit from his eyes. I was worried about the new Canine Flu going around, so we took him to the vet. Plus he’s only 14 weeks old, and my first puppy so I’m nervous about his health all of a sudden taking a turn.
The vet did CBC tests and found out that he is anemic, (his hemoglobin and RBC count are down.) White cells were good. Because of the green mucus discharge, she prescribed antibiotics, which he’s been taking for 1 week now. The low RBC count pointed towards parasites (he’s already been wormed 3 times by the Breeder prior to 8 weeks old) and again by my vet when he was about 9.5 weeks old. So she ordered Panacur to give him for the parasites (possible hook worms she thought?) and we administered the first tube last night.
His coughing has gotten a little better, but the mucus is still really apparent. He sneezes it and it flies out everywhere, he shakes his head and it runs down his face, he lays on his side to sleep and it drips out in large droplets onto the floor. And when he does nothing at all it runs down his little face.
This morning, he woke up vomiting a frothy bile substance, had 2 poops, one a bit on the runny side, and one fairly solid. He hasn’t had anything else to eat, but drank a little water and seemed to keep that down okay.
Other than the above he hasn’t had any diarrhea or severe vomiting. He isn’t much of an eater normally when he’s healthy, but he’s really only taking in about 2 cups/day of kibble right now.
Does anyone have any advice for us?? I feel like I’m bridging the line of being a freaked out mother and honestly concerned about his health!!
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I hope he feels better soon.
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Thanks for your thoughts Jenn!
He's actually only had 2 DHPP shots so far, and they recommend 3 for him because we live in NYC, Manhattan, and the vet says parvo is rampant out here.
That's the first thing I thought of too :'( But the vet seems to think that he'd have severe vomiting (chronic) with diarrhea for Distemper - which I thought I remember reading there is no test for?
Just worried mostly, and hoping maybe someone else has had experience with similar symptoms in a pup. Thanks again!
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Good luck with the little guy, I hope he feels better soon! :D
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Keeping fingers and toes crossed for you.
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I would NOT vaccinate this puppy again until he is in VIGOROUS health.
Many vets for whatever reason neglect to mention, or do not read the package inserts with vaccines which caution to NEVER vaccinate a sick or debilitated animal.
Some forms of upper respiratory disease and contagious coughs in dogs do produce nasal discharge. I had it happen once last year, and the pup had to be on antibiotics. She had quite a lot of the nasty snots too.
Keep up with his medications, and stay away from any immune stresses like vaccines until he is feeling all better and has no symptoms.
If he were my pup I might titer him for parvo and distemper since he's had 2 rounds, and if he were blood serum immune I would not vax him any more.
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The "nasty snots" are exactly what my little man has got!! Thanks for your advise Red!! The vet drew blood again today (we had him back in early this morning for a follow up), she was going to run a CBC - I'll make sure I contact her first thing tomorrow to check in and ask about titers for parvo/distemper.
Is he contagious as long as there is snot still streaming from his nose? I'm worried also about his socialization period - this is a critical window for a giant breed to get out and about and meet people, other dogs, etc. 1st concern is his health though of course. :)
Thanks again guys! We'll hope things start to look up for him this next week.
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You should ask your vet about contagion. I would suspect yes.
The poor little guy.
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Is there any chance it could be that new dog influenza? Aren't the symptoms coughing and a thick yellow nasal discharge? And isn't it in the New York area along with much of the East Coast? From what I read, it can be treated with antibiotics.
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I agree with Red on not vaccinating if he is sick. I can tell you from experience with Tonka, out vet would not vaccinate her when she had tummy problems when she was little so they took blood and told us to wait. (The emergency vet was not happy, but I stuck with what her regular vet said, they sent me a letter that I had so many days to get her shot records to them) I hope he gets feeling better soon, there is nothing like a sick little puppy that looks so pitiful.
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Is there any chance it could be that new dog influenza? Aren't the symptoms coughing and a thick yellow nasal discharge? And isn't it in the New York area along with much of the East Coast?  From what I read, it can be treated with antibiotics.
This is what I was worried about from day 1. :( His symptoms seem to fall right under that category, and if it was something like distemper/parvo he'd have severe vomiting and blood diarrhea. Good news is that the vet put him on antibiotics right away, so he's about 1/3 of the way through his 10 day course. So if it is....we're on the right track here. I'll keep you guys updated on his condition....h e kept down his dinner of white rice and a little boiled chicken last night... ;D.....so hopefully the vomiting was from the de-worming meds possibly? ugh....poor little guy he's all drugged up... and I hate that!
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Thanks for your kisses :D I spoke with the vet again this morning(she's checking in a LOT on us) ...we'll hang in there!
Cute new pic of your girl - haven't seen that one before!
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I agree with Red on not vaccinating if he is sick. I can tell you from experience with Tonka, out vet would not vaccinate her when she had tummy problems when she was little so they took blood and told us to wait. (The emergency vet was not happy, but I stuck with what her regular vet said, they sent me a letter that I had so many days to get her shot records to them) I hope he gets feeling better soon, there is nothing like a sick little puppy that looks so pitiful.
Glad your Tonka came out okay in the end....thank goodness my vet isn't pushing me to get any vaccinations since he's been a little under the weather. His rabies was due at 12 weeks (per city laws) and there was NO way I was going to do that in light of his condition and she was right on board with us. I'm going to go with what Red suggested and titer him for parvo/distempter since he's already had 2 rounds, and then make our decision! You guys are all so helpful, it puts my mind at ease to know we're on the right track with him!!!
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are saint Maggie got sick wene was a pup at 10 weeks and that was no fun maggie was vomoting,Bilile,and all that stuff they gave her a shot put on med,But oh i was Worry so sick,it is like a Baby,She is 10 mo old know still getting in Trouble,the last Remote Control she ate, I hope was her last! She is my Big Beast!But This Here Is My Blue Molly She has a Blue Eye,That make's Her My Angel! She is a Choc,Brown Saint Bernard!!Out of a litter of 14 only 4 lived molly was one i was Joyed to get her She is A Cutie!! Kisses,&Huges To Bogard,for baby sound's like he may be on his way i sure hope!love all us at molly & maggie Place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I saw Ruckus right away once I found BPO - love that photo of you 2!! ;D He's a very, VERY handsome Leo!
Bogard is amazing, I am totally in love and sooo happy with him. Lionslair sounds familiar to me too - you are SO lucky to have visited the pups twice, SO lucky! I was actually living in Northern CA (San Fran) area when we first started looking for Breeders, so it would have been a easy trip to pick him up near Vancouver- but my move to NYC came up rather suddenly a couple months ago.
Thank you again for you suggestions and help. I wrote down everything you said to speak with the vet. I know the feeling of $500 later...we're up to $780 since I got him 6 weeks ago...yikes. He's worth every penny though, as they all are. :-) But vet prices in NYC (along with prices for everything else in NYC) are super inflated!
I actually did email the Breeder, and she usually gives such excellent and thorough advise. She just wrote back that she has never, ever had any problems with parasites in any of her pups, ever. (It was actually rather odd email I got back from her). She told me to check with another vet, but a low RBC count and anemia points almost directly to some type of a parasite in a pup this young. The big thing now is figuring out if we've got one or 2 issues going on here.
Funny you say it was more pronounced on one side than the other - same thing with Bogard. His right nostril is the worse, while the other one is just a drip. I think b/c the vet took a blood sample & realized he had a low RBC count, she kind of stopped with that assuming it was the root of all problems.
Bogard's energy levels have actually been pretty good (surprising considering he's on so many meds right now). But hard to tell - as he's still such a sleepy puppy!!
I bet (in light of the sickness issues and lengthy discussions of snot) we're giving you puppy fever again!!! ;D Hu? SO hard to not get it when you see these little guys, so furry and roly-polly at this age! (This pic is of his first swimming experience!)
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What a cute picture!
Did he like to swim?
Wishing you and your puppy the best, keep us informed.
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What a cute picture!
Did he like to swim?
Wishing you and your puppy the best, keep us informed.
He LOVES it!! Leonbergers have the webbed feet from the Newfy in them. Since we live in Manhattan, there unfortunately aren't any beaches for him. Sooo, we do the next best - he goes to the K9 Therapy Pool for swim lessons! (he's been 2x before the sickness hit) The guy in the pic is the certified trainer who swims with the pups, and helps them if they need it. Here's a couple more, he looks so goofy wet! Do Caucasians like to swim also???
Thanks for the well wishes, he's keep his food down so I'm thankful for that!
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Too cute! ;D
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it is ack,!!very good 300 a year! you get most of it b :o :o :o :o :o
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I hope that little Boggard is on his feet soon :)
And I just have to take a second to say oh my god those puppy pics are cute!
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I hope that little Boggard is on his feet soon :)
And I just have to take a second to say oh my god those puppy pics are cute!
Thank you so much.....we love to share b/c as you know I'm sure...he won't be small & fuzzy for much longer! ;D
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Awww...I hope your boy starts to feel better soon...I hate seeings pups that are sick :(
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:-*I wanted to tell you molly had round worm's too when we first got her first :-*thing i did and alway's do Bring pup to vet,with stool we got it! then two later checked again she did not have no more, with these kind of Dog's it is good :-*to :-*get them checked out!!! and Maggie had a Tummy problem in Saint's it is Commom, they can get Gastratis,but she is fine,she can't and no dog should eat pig ear's junk! Food,only High Quality Food's We use Eagle pack good Heathy Snake's that have beef&Chicken,these Dog's are my life they when they are full Grown they will 150to 200 so I Them to Live For A long Time!! They Meam a lot To me Go to Webshots.com waffles717 you can see all of my albums of my :-* :-*pups!! i would love for you to see them they are Great Work We Hope Bogert is Gettng Better it is not to late for Vit pet in, if want to email me please do, :-*love :-*mary lee molly! maggie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:-*I wanted to tell you molly had round worm's too when we first got her first :-*thing i did and alway's do Bring pup to vet,with stool we got it! then two later checked again she did not have no more, with these kind of Dog's it is good :-*to :-*get them checked out!!! and Maggie had a Tummy problem in Saint's it is Commom, they can get Gastratis,but she is fine,she can't and no dog should eat pig ear's junk! Food,only High Quality Food's We use Eagle pack good Heathy Snake's that have beef&Chicken,these Dog's are my life they when they are full Grown they will 150to 200 so I Them to Live For A long Time!! They Meam a lot To me Go to Webshots.com waffles717 you can see all of my albums of my :-* :-*pups!! i would love for you to see them they are Great Work We Hope Bogert is Gettng Better it is not to late for Vit pet in, if want to email me please do, :-*love :-*mary lee molly! maggie!!!
Thanks for your well wishes - it seems like so many young pups have had issues of one type or another, which makes me feel much much better! Our vet took a fecal at 9.5 weeks which turned out fine - oddly enough. I'll keep you guys posted, hopefully this week is better than last! :)
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Awww...I hope your boy starts to feel better soon...I hate seeings pups that are sick :(
Thank you so much....we do too! He's kept every meal down since Sunday late afternoon/evening, and his appetite has seemed to pick back up, which I am very thankful for! I hate seeing him sick too - he's too cute to be sick! :-\ (and I'm worrying too much!)
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You know i think or wonder if there is a inqubation time on the round worm s from when they hach,so the stool should checked overy other week on new pup's if this is the case,!on maggie she ,did not have them, The thing my guy;s get know is Calliss's on there Elwow's vet does not think much of this i think it cause the size and the,way they drop.the run,does any one know? molly&Maggie!Bogart your Pumkin is coming SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You know i think or wonder if there is a inqubation time on the round worm s from when they hach,so the stool should checked overy other week on new pup's if this is the case,!on maggie she ,did not have them, The thing my guy;s get know is Calliss's on there Elwow's vet does not think much of this i think it cause the size and the,way they drop.the run,does any one know? molly&Maggie!Bogart your Pumkin is coming SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're dying to see what you've come up with (pumpkin-wise) of course! :D I think there definitely is some sort of incubation, or rather when you test fecal matter you know if "worms" are present but that doesn't tell you if larva is present...? Not sure on this one...but I think you're right there!