I know this is a very old post, but I want to thank you horsepoor for the support when it came to me getting Maceys papers from the same breeder. She has made me look at supposed show breeders in a whole new light. I was first of all disgusted when I got macey being covered from head to toe in urine she was stained I tried washing her several times with whitener it did not work so I had to result in shaving my 5 month old white saint. She had obviously never been treated with any love, respect, or dignity as the poor dog did not know her own name. She had never worn a collar, never had been a leash, and is scared of EVERYTHING!! I have dealt with this dog over 7 months now she loves me, but is extremely shy towards other people. It takes her time to warm up. I paid her over 1600 dollars for this dog because she was a SHOW PROSPECT. I could not show her. I took her to have her evaluated. She is show prospective yes stance, build, looks, but shyness is a big no no in the show ring. All she could tell me is I can breed her and her pups wont turn out the same way. The dog was sick when I got her because yes I did spend yet another 100 dollars to take her to the vet check up she required within the 5 days I got her. She had a severe bladder infection. Also took me till November to finally get my papers and my dogs birthday is not even the same as it was posted when I bought her. I got the papers late so I had to pay even more to register her! Because by then she was over a year old. I have I'll admit, but my last 2 dogs from backyard breeders some would say. They didnt show however the dogs did have there shots,pictures, backgrounds, and parents were on sight and they didnt have over 50 dogs running around. I told her flat out you have proved to me NEVER to buy a dog from a breeder whos house I cant physically go to and see all of there dogs. I wish I would of read this post before I purchased it would have saved me the heartache and the six months of grief she put me through waiting for my papers for a papered saint bernard. This was suppose to be the dog I put into dog shows. Now I have a very expensive house pet. So hopefully everyone keeps this post reads this post and if your interested in a saint bernard contact me or her to know not to buy a dog from this supposed wonderful show breeder. She will make up all the excuses in the world not to send your papers and avoid you like the black plague until you threaten legal actions which I did to. As you also will have a shy dog that is scared of its own shadow and will cost you more in the long run for the training for the dog to even lift there tail to show there happy.