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Newfoundlands => Newfoundland Discussions => : horsepoor21 October 09, 2005, 08:10:58 AM
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Hi everyone , I'm new here and have never posted before . I have a four and a half month old newfie who still goes to the bathroom in her kennel . I always thought dogs didn't want to use their kennel as a bathroom because they'd have to lay in it but she sure doesn't mind . So , if I wait until almost 11 or midnight to put her to bed and then let her out by 4 am she usually has a dry kennel . But I have to make sure not to feed her after 4 in the afternoon or they'll be a huge poopy mess . If I want to sleep in ( is wanting to sleep past 4 am considered sleeping in ? ) I have to make sure to set my alarm or there is a horrible mess . I've had her looked at by my vet and she is healthy . Are my expectations just to high for her age ? All the other dogs I've had made it thru an entire night with no messes in their kennel ..... My girl is the queen of baths as she has to take one every few days ...... And it's too cold here now to give her one outside . I'm afraid she'll clog my bathtub up with all that black hair . LOL Thanks for all your help , in advance . I guess I just need a little encouragement .
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How old, exactly, was this puppy when you got her?
Where did you get her?
Where do you keep the crate?
How is the pup doing on housetraining during the day?
What sort of food are you feeding her?
And just so I'm clear, is she urinating AND defecating in the crate, or just defecating?
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I have three thoughts about this.
1. Once the puppy is forced to potty in their crate (by not being able to go out when they need to), it sort of makes them 'unlearn' that it is not ok to go in the crate. The more times that she goes in the crate, the harder it is going to be to get her to learn not too. Also, the more the smell lingers, the more likely she is to do it again. What do you use to clean it after accidents.
2. Have you been using a crate divider? If you give the puppy too much room at first, they will think that they can pee in one corner, and go sleep dry in another. So you have to carefully monitor how much space they get and give them more space as they grow and as they as they learn.
3. I think that sleeping on the porch may contribute to the problem. Outside there are wild animals. Wild animals can scare puppies. And scared puppies pee in their cages. Are you sure that you can't find anywhere in the house to put her crate? You'll probably even find that she is quieter inside
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Well first off
newf pups should be part of the pack
they should not be housed on the "porch"
how sad.
next, the water if not hot outside be cut off around 8 pm
only if it is not hot.
i would also contact your breeder.
she can give you tips
if she is the kind who really cares.
a good breeder is there for you no matter the questions
remember, the bladder on a newf pup is no where the size of their body, and it takes longer to potty train a female than a male.
Also i am very surprised you are feeding iams.
i would make sure that your breeder knows this,
giant breeds have very specific dietary needs.
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Our Newfs sleep in our bedroom with us and they may virtually no noise at all....far less than snoring husband! ;D
Chester is now 7 months old, but even at 4 months, he could sleep quietly (not in a crate) right next to the big boy Cowboy. Try bringing her in! I completely agree with what everyone else is saying. She really needs to be with you in your room at night! ;D
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newfoundlands will not thrive nor grow well on food that is not balanced, i hope for your sake her joints and her body grows in a way that it should.
iams is not good food for young growing newfs.
to many people put their faith into their vet.
vets do not know about diet, nutricion and growth rates of the giant breeds, they do not see enough of them, and , it is enough just to keep educated on the medical field
i highly advise you to call your breeder and find out what other foods she recomends, or , you will find, feeding a cheaper food, will not only hit your budget later on thru health issues, it also will lead to more volume in poo.
you also need to contact your breeder, tell her how you are house training ,and ask her for tips.
a breeder should be there to guide you thru the growing stages.
the growth of the first year is so critical, and in my experience, iams is lacking in a lot of ways.
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if you're on a tight food budget, try Costco/Kirkland's rebranded Diamond foods. no soy/wheat/corn, high protein, low kcals..
then again, if you don't hv a petsmart in town.. there's a good chance u may not hv Costco either :(
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The prefered food is one that promotes slow growth is well balanced and some require other things, a good breeder keeps up on each pup as some pups will have different needs than others in the litter.
males will have more demands on their body than females due to more growth, so the breeder needs to be kept up on the growth of the pups.
i wouldnt feed the costco
but that is me.
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your breeder
newfoundlands can have growth anomoly crop up in the front legs
due to accelerated growth, they also can have other problems including joint problems due to improper diet.
back to basics, innova, canidae, wysong, these are just a few that are trustworthy ........
good luck
as i said, vets do not specialize in dietary needs, they also do not realize that growth rates are affected by what they are fed.
this is not made up, it is fact.
some veterinarians do special in it, due to breeding and raising certain breeds themselves, but in my experience and others out there, the medical aspect is their specialty
they also get royalties off science diet. ;)
Disclaimer,
not meant to offend.
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We love our vet, but he also tried to push the science diet food. Seems like all vets do now, I guess there is some sort of royalty thing going on. 12 or so years ago it was probably one of the top foods. My personal opinion is it is made up of too much corn filler, but thats just my opinion, I'm not a breeder, animal-healthcare professional, etc or anything other than a computer geek who has a dog. Seems like premium foods have come a long way in the last 10-15 years.
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i put a list in my last reply to you.
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Based on recommendation s from others, we were feeding Canidae, and have switched to Chicken Soup for the Dog lover's soul. Those two seem to be almost exactly the same, except the chicken soup has a few more things in it, and it is available closer to where we live.
I think the Costco/diamond foods seem pretty good to me, looking at the nutritional content (studying the back of the bag), it looks about the same as the other really premium food, and is not too loaded with fillers. Our dogs breeder used the diamond foods, and her dogs looked great.
We just own one large breed, he's only 6-months old.. so take my advice for what it's worth (not much) :)
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So then what does everyone feed their dogs ?
We have an entire forum about food here at BPO. You can find it here:
http://www.bigpawsonly.com/index.php/board,193.0.html
You might fing this thread 'What brand of food does your dog eat?' particularly interesting
http://www.bigpawsonly.com/index.php/topic,1139.0.html
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Do you have any small mom and pop shops that sell pet supplies?
if you do they can place orders for people.
see if you can find one.
i used to drive twenty minutes to get my food one way! LOL
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What stores do you have in your area? Do you have a petco, a petsmart, or other pet store with a website? Also, what is your budget (be realistic - I know that I feed zoey the most expensive food, but I don't have kids to feed, and I am not going to try and convince you to feed something that is way out of your budget). If you tell me these two things, I can help suggest some brands that you can both get at the store and afford that would still be nutritious for your pup
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You should deffinately call the pet store and see if they will special order anything for you, or at least ask what brands they carry.
One option is having it delivered from the internet, but that is not a great choice because shipping it really expensive.
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Canidae is the better food for a young growing newf.
eukanuba is to rich.
get the canidae; if free shipping go for it.
many newf owners know their lines and how they grow.
specifically the brands some of us listed are best with our breed.
let us know how it goes.
innova evo or something like that after the innova, is a really good food to.
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Canidae is a great food :)
Get the regular canidae, not the platinum. The platinum is formulated to old or overweight dogs; the regular is for all life stages.
Also, don't ever be afraid to ask questions on BPO. There will always be someone to answer them :)
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Hey This may sound crazy, but I found some of the best brands at a feed store. Use the Store Locator on the website for the food you are interested in. I found out about the feed store that carries good stuff, by doing this.
Example: Like for Canidae http://www.canidae.com:591/canidae-retailers/search.htm
Innova: http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=stores-tab
Chicken Soup: http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/ChickenSoup/cslocator_distributors.php
Hey SAR, can you PM me that lists, I want to know what you recommend also.. Thanks, Brandon
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Hi Everyone. This is my first post here, but I'm sure many of you will recognize me from NN :D
We have three Newfs and our original two (Mira and Molly) have been raised on Canidae or Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul (Adult). Canidae is excellent...an d is easy on their digestive systems since it has probiotics and enzymes to break down the food for better absorpsion of nutrients. The CS is also excellent, but you have to introduce it slowly. After the pup is used to it...you'll have no digestive issues. Ours love them both.
All of our dogs...all eight Goldens, one Lab and Three Newfs now eat Canidae. But I would not hesitate one second to use the CS. They didn't do well on Wellness, didn't do well on Nutro, and Molly came to us eating Eukanuba. She did awful on it...IBS...but once we switched her to Canidae all has been great.
Since using the two foods above, we've had no digestive, skin, ear, growth, or allergy related problems.
As you can see, I HIGHLY recommend both of them!!
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Well speak of the devil! hahahaha
hey there mirrabelle!
gorgous avatar! i love it :)
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Glad to hear that things are working well for you. Now, some pictures of the puppy please!!!!! ;D :D ;)
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not to mention.. your pup will p'bly poop less on canidae... so if she still potties in the kennel.. it'll be less to clean up... :o
and uhm.. is Canidae a publicly traded company (no they're not)? cuz w/ all of our $ going to them, i'd like to make some back!!!
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I so am glad to hear that she has moved into your bedroom and things are going well!
Now, do you have any pictures you can post of her? :)
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That is wonderful news.