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Mini Rott
« on: September 17, 2005, 04:52:12 am »
 ??? Yesterday we took Gretchen to the vet for her booster shot. She is now 5 months old. Gretchen weighed in at 43lb and is 26" tall at shoulders. The vet made comment she's going to be a mini rott and she won't get over 60-65lbs.  Dr Albin said she was in perfect health and a very nice girl ;D . Does this sound right?? The vet said she is not underweight for her size but just right.  Do you guys think she's going to be a mini rott?? While we were there we made an appointment to get her spayed Oct 5. Since we are going out of town to Nebraska for son's wedding and are going to board her at the vet's office figured we would kill two birds with one stone so to speak.
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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2005, 05:27:37 am »
IMHO, I believe that you have more of a correct rotti...I know that there are others on the board that might disagree...but i have seen some male sch  rotties at about high 80 pound range....Bigge r isnt better :)

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2005, 07:23:20 am »
BabsT is right bigger is not always better. As long as she is healthy and happy. She is still really young and has alot of growing and filling out to do. In all the rottis I have had I found that they reached their peak of filling out somewhere between 2-3 years. Puck gained 10 pounds slowly around the age of  2.5 - 3 years. He did not get"fat" - he never had a change in diet or exercise around that time either. The vet said it was like a growth spurt  that kids get.
Our one female weighed in around 85 - 90 pounds matured. She was a smaller frame and build too.
She is a sweet girl ;D ;D ;D :-*

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2005, 07:56:00 am »
She is already taller then Zeus already, he is only 24 in. He is just barely over a 100lbs. I would rather have a small rott then one that is way too big.

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2005, 08:22:50 am »
Not all dogs grow at the same rate.
That doctor (in my opinion) should have considered your feelings before he told you your dog was going to be a "mini-rottweiler". People don't always think about what they are saying or that it could linger with somebody and make them worry like what this is doing to you.  Last time I was at the vet with Nigel the vet tech said to me, "he doesn't look like a 'Nigel'!" Well, obviously I think my dog "looks like a Nigel" or I wouldn't have named him that!! It has really made me wish people would be careful what they say to us dog-lovers about our dogs, because we will take it personally!!!

Even if your dog does turn out on the smaller side it doesn't at all make her a miniature! That's ridiculous! Gretchen is already taller than every dog in my house!!!!
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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2005, 08:22:58 am »
The advice here is excellent.  According to the AKC standard:

Size, Proportion, Substance   
Dogs--24 inches to 27 inches. Bitches--22 inches to 25 inches, with preferred size being mid-range of each sex. Correct proportion is of primary importance, as long as size is within the standard's range.

Serious Faults--Lack of proportion, undersized, oversized, reversal of sex characteristic s (bitchy dogs, doggy bitches).

Source: www.akc.org

As you can see, the acceptable standard for the breed is 22 - 25 inches at the shoulder.  So, a 26 inch rottie is actually large for a female.  Rotties that are within the breed standard, which I think is kept uniform for good reason (healthwise, and other) are shorter and compact, more robust.  The rotties we see every day...on the street are mostly from backyard breeders or even sometimes from well-intentioned breeders...the y just genetically turn out the way they are and some are shorter, taller, etc.  But, with very selective breeding from a specific gene pool, correct me if I'm wrong, one has a much better chance of producing a sound litter with, not only the desired healthy aspects, but sound temperment, size and all that good stuff that comes along with keeping the pups within the standard so as to not produce joint problems, etc., etc.

Now, once again, as we all probably agree here, we love our monsters no matter how they grow up...big, small, sway-backed...you name it!  But, I have seen from personal experience the difference between an oversized rottie and a well-proportioned, muscular one.  I own an oversized rottie.  She has experienced a lot of problems due to the slope of her knees, which caused a tear in her cruciate ligament.  She is tall instead of compact.  Her chest is very deep.  Her nose is a little long.  Overall, she has long bones...not big bones, but she is tall for a female.  Her hindquarters are underdeveloped compared to her front end.  Even her front paws are a bit bigger than the read and since she fractured her hip when she was still a pup the muscles in her rear are more of an atrophied type, so her hind end is not very powerful.

My little rottie, on the other hand, of sound German lineage is short, stocky with a big muscular rear that is in proportion to her front end.  Her chest is not noticeably deep.  Her nose is shorter.  Her paws are well proportioned.  And, she is very sound, so far, physically.  She is limber as heck.  She twists and squirms in the air and lands lopsided halfway on the porch and it does not phase her.  My big girl, on the other hand, experiences a series of snaps and pops every time she takes a step...she is stiff and has never been able to lie down with her hips splayed in that signature rottie way.

So, I believe what the others have said here is right.  Sometimes the veterinarians themselves do not keep up with all the little stuff, like breed standards and only go by what they see in general.  Perhaps your particular veterinarian has experienced a lot of oversized rotties...

By the way, there is no such thing as a mini-rott.  In a joking manner we sometimes call little Betti a mini-rott, but in essence, she is not.  It is kind of like the Gladiator Doberman concept they have here in good ol' Spotucky...adv ertising and selling them as a papered purebreed.

Little Betti weighs about 70 lbs.  She is the cutest.  She can curl her little body up on a pillow and not hang off the edges.  But, she's well proportioned.  I think she's beautiful.  They are all beautiful.

It is their health that I always worry most about.  It doesn't matter what a rottie looks like, there are always people who will come up and ask if he/she is a mixed breed.  They ask me that about Betti, despite her lineage, and they ask that about Greta.  And then they go so far as to ask if Greta and Lou are littermates, and Lou is half Labrador Retriever.

My veterinarians over the years have cautioned me to maintain Greta's weight in order to alleviate the pressure on her hips.  They say that even one pound is a lot of weight distribution for a dog to carry.  They have also stated time and again that MOST rotties they see are overweight.  Take a look at "linsavingrace's" Lady and Grace...they are a prime example of healthy pups...they are not overweight.  I've been told that there should not be a layer of fat between the skin and the rib cage.  The ribs should not be visible and defined, but easily felt underneath the fur.  This makes the dogs much healthier.

Greta is now over eight years old.  She has a heart condition.  Despite all her maladies...I am so surprised she is still with me.

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2005, 11:23:43 am »
I agree with moon...  Most of the rotties that I have seen (in person) that have been huge are from people who picked them up from here or there. The few papered dogs I have seen have been alot smaller. I would have to say that Felony's mom couldn't have been more than 60 lbs. And I am giving her the benefit of the doubt because my mom has a 65lb mutt that looks way bigger and because she just had pups.

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2005, 11:49:12 am »
Hi, I am new to Big Paws, my name is gator.  I say you are lucky.   have a big rott 140# and only 2 years old.  Already, at 6 months he had hip replacement surgery.  He is so huge!  Now heee needs another hip surgery on the other one!  5 grand per operation!  I also have a smaller girl rott she is old now but in her prime she weighed 60# and what a darling!  Shes almost ready for doggie heaven now but she was perfect!  Don't worry about small...it is good for bones and joints!  Gator

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2005, 06:36:58 pm »
Thanks a lot guys. I didn't think she was that small. At least she got a clean bill of health..
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2005, 08:20:38 am »
she'll grow.  Grace is my mini rott.  7 1/2 months and about 70 pounds.  She was bred for show so she's smaller than a big rott.  :)  I love her that size though.  she'll grow.

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2005, 01:28:39 pm »
Hi There!
Sasha is my "mini rotti" too
I had the same worries when Sasha was a puppy too. She's 23'' tall and I tought she was going to get bigger since everybody told me she was not growing in the way she's supposed to be. But then I found out that she's the right size. She used to weight around 72 pounds but now after a lot of exercise since she's very energetic and a balanced diet she weights 68 pounds. As you can see she's robust but thinner and longer than the male. Now Gordo, who I have since June, used to weight 125 pounds but I think he must have a mix, but I'm not so sure. He has a little bit of a "hip atrophy" so I took him down to 108 pounds and he's much healthier now! It's unbelievable how fast he runs and play with Sasha!  :P
My advice is that you better have a rottie with less weight than one with more weight but waiting for health problems to develop in the future. So you can sleep well because Gretchen is the right side rotti for me...and like someone else said before, look at Lins and Grace...they are also the perfect example..they are gorgeous rotties too.  ;)
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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2005, 03:58:15 pm »
I was shocked when I heard Grace wasn't going to be as big as Lady since I thought all Rotts were huge.  :)  Grace is my half pint.  The smaller Rotts are better in the show ring and Grace comes from a little that was "too big" as the breeder said...bigger than a normal show Rott I guess...so the breeder chose this little to sell as pets.
Grace will probably top out at 90 pounds and be shorter but thicker than Lady.

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2005, 04:08:03 pm »

I would bet your puppy was measured wrong.

If she were 26" and only 40-some lbs, she would look like a walking skeleton.

A 26 inch dog is a big dog.

I would guess she is more like 24, or MAYBE 25.

Most Rottie girls are around 50 lbs at 5 mos.

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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2005, 08:29:03 pm »
I did measure wrong she is 19 almost 20 inches tall. But sure on the weight of 43 lbs.
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Re: Mini Rott
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2005, 08:38:12 pm »

That is about right for her height.

She is just a petite girl.

Our standard says bitches can be 22 inches at the shoulder. She will likely  make that, and maybe even 23.

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