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BPO Growl & Howl Forum => Groans, Gripes, Brags & Boasts => : brinks June 10, 2006, 05:57:31 PM
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>:( Okay, I understand the allure of being around a big dog. He**, that's why I've had giant breeds my entire life. BUT, with that being said, why are there soooo many ignorant people out there? We take our dogue de bordeaux to many places that dogs are allowed, for example, the beach. EVERY single time, there is some fool that RUNS up to us and our dog screaming about how gorgeous he is. They'll proceed to violently invade his space (no matter what we are doing) and while they are actively petting him ask this question....."DOES HE BITE?" Okay, wtf? Thank God, Brinks is such a tolerant dog. He's simply a sweetheart and very socialilzed. But, really, it makes me think of all the poor dogs out there who get blamed for things that were clearly the fault of some stupid person.Â
I'm not trying to offend anyone here, but geesh, step back from the big red dog. Anyone else have any of these horror stories?
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UGH I know how you feel! When I had a foster min pin who wasn't very socialized and still not used to strangers walking up to him, I had took him for a walk one day when these kids ran up to us and Yaz tried to bolk while he was still on leash. So I picked him up and started walking past the kids when they were crowding around me and trying to pet him and asking if he bit. I told them yes, so what do they do, they tried to stick their hands by his mouth! I don't get what was going through those kids heads but they obviously wanted to be bit! So I made them stop and started walking again, when they started throwing rocks at me! Luckily I was more worried about Yaz than trying to kill the kids. The next day I talked to the older sister of one kids and they ended up getting in trouble by their moms. So that was a happy ending for me.
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My favorite big dog/stupid people thing is when someone allowed their stupid unsocialized Daschund to bite my dog, after I asked if it bit,and they said NO, and it ran up to my do who was on a leash. It bit Badger, made him cry, made me say swear words, then a few minutes later, I overheard this MORON bragging about how his good for nothing animal bit a 'massive rottweiler, he doesn't back down to anything'. That one time I really wish Badger had reared up and attacked the owner, on account of him having it coming!
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I understand this 110%. I think God for our dogs patience every time we are out in public. Little kids will run right up to Bava and put their face on his head and hug him, and THEN the parents will ask "Does he Bite".... Like WTF? Does your kid still have their face? We don't have kids , but if we did I would never let my child run up to some strange dog and put their face on them and hug them. Especially when the dog weighs 3 times what the kid does.
Melissa and I were just talking about this on the way back home from the Pet-Palooza. Kids that would run like the dickens at Bava and then run away crying when he looked at them. I think the kids needed the prong collars, as our dogs were much better behaved than they were :)
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Yeah we had a little girl come flying at Kali today. Kali doesn't like when kids come running at her and the kid was so persistent. She isn't sure about them as she hasn't been around that many kids with no dog common sense. Then an older lady wasn't paying attention walked by Kali turned around and freaked out at her. Now Kali was sitting there behaving and was there first. The Nutro rep lady stood up for her and said she's a gentle giant. Then the lady said well everyone says that til their dog attacks my little one...I read this as her dog has no manners and starts stuff. People are so annoying but luckily everyone else fawned over her.
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o yea i had ppl pull me aside when i was leaving pet palooza and they were like is he(Baxter) for adoption. I said "o no he is my dog" and then they said " Well how much is he" I said " no he isnt for adoption". Thinking they just didnt hear me. The woman steped right into my face and said "No how much is he so we can buy him" I was like are you kidding.
The only thought in my head was like if i run back inside i can get the Big paws gang and we can take her. but I just said " Look he isnt for sale he is MY dog but there are plenty of dogs in there for adoption and i even think there is a springer. They said " No if we got one we would want him" Like they were trying to give me a gilt trip.
Ppl can be really ballsy and rude these days.
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I think the kids needed the prong collars, as our dogs were much better behaved than they were :)
That is so funny Brandon! A few weeks ago we had a situation that actually infuriated me. We were out on a Friday night with Bear and took him to eat Sushi with us. As usual people were everywhere gawking but there were two different groups of girls (teens) that walked by us and screamed bloody murder when they saw Bear. I was so angry but said nothing just kept to myself. Then, as we were eating a third group came by. Bear was on the patio with us seperated from the public by a fence. He was also hard to see as it was dark and he was by my feet and half way under the tablecloth. Anyhow, these girls kinda walk by, stop, look down and scream! Bear looks at them and I get angry. Then, they stop screaming, approach us, ask to pet him and then ask if he bites. I was so mad that I said "He only bites people who scream in his face for no apparent reason". >:( It was mean of me to say but I was mad. They ended up not petting Bear and as they turned around they said "Man, she is mean!" ::) Hopefully next time they'll think before screaming.
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Everyone was just so impressed with our dogs temperments. Except Bell she was being bad with other dogs. but the fact that all these GIANT dogs can lay on this little bitty dog and not crush him has to worth adopting!!! ;D
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Oh that would have been fun to have the "Big Paws Gang" tell he there is no way she is getting Baxter!
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That is so funny Brandon! A few weeks ago we had a situation that actually infuriated me. We were out on a Friday night with Bear and took him to eat Sushi with us. As usual people were everywhere gawking but there were two different groups of girls (teens) that walked by us and screamed bloody murder when they saw Bear. I was so angry but said nothing just kept to myself. Then, as we were eating a third group came by. Bear was on the patio with us seperated from the public by a fence. He was also hard to see as it was dark and he was by my feet and half way under the tablecloth. Anyhow, these girls kinda walk by, stop, look down and scream! Bear looks at them and I get angry. Then, they stop screaming, approach us, ask to pet him and then ask if he bites. I was so mad that I said "He only bites people who scream in his face for no apparent reason". >:( It was mean of me to say but I was mad. They ended up not petting Bear and as they turned around they said "Man, she is mean!" ::) Hopefully next time they'll think before screaming.
OMG! How stupid is that? Last year at high school a girl had a seeing eye dog that was OF COURSE trained and well behaved but I couldn't get over the fact that stupid people would still stop in the hallways and scream like the dog was going to go after it. ::) Some people, can we just send them all to the moon?
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I wish Megan...how I wish.
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I was amazed at how many people asked if Bella and Fos were up for adoption. I just kept saying no, that they needed to go look at Jada or the other 2 there were up for adoption. A few people that I talked to were really surprised at how little "space" a dane needed and they were very pleasant to "educate". Other than the chihuahua and the golden, I was amazed at how well everyone behaved towards my beasts. In fact, only once did someone not ask about petting them and no one asked if they bit. If I go to festivals, it seems like every other person asks whether they bite or what are they or where's the saddle. I do like the t-shirt idea...can we put the BPO logo on it??? I think I may email a friend of mine and see if we can't get those shirts set up. They should be around $10-15 each with one side printed and 100% cotton. Pocket t's would be a little more.
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Maybe they're screaming at Bear like girls scream at rockstars :) People can be so odd sometimes.
Haven't experienced the screaming really, just crying. We got Sophie chipped yesterday. She was laying down under my chair as I filled out the paperwork. Can any dog be behaving any better? This little girl kept coming up to her. Sophie would lift her head and start to get up. The girl would run away crying, bawling her eyes out, and her mom would coddle her.
People were staring at me like I was the beelzebub with Cerebus on leash.
That was weird, Sophie is a really cute dog and so obviously a puppy. Maybe the kid had a traumatic experience in the pasts, no idea... but you know, she could stay away from Sophie if she was scared of her.
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At least Sophie didn't try to eat the girl doing the chipping... ::)
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It's crazy to me how little parenting some parents do. If my child was acting like that, rather than coddling them, I would teach them how to read a dog's body language to tell if it was nice or agressive (at whatever level was age appropriate for the child). I would also think I would deal with the issue of the kid going over there repeatedly then crying/pouting/being scared. The child probably did that to get attention from the parent and I'm sure that's a delightful trait. "How to Teach Your Kid to Be a Drama Queen 101". Too bad you couldn't teach Sophie to growl with the command "look Sofie, this nice little girl wants to pet you"...give the little pill something to cry over!
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i hate it when kids do that. Its like do you understand screaming is going to make a dog WANT to start barking at you.
When i was at the beach with Bell and Baxter a group of girls ran up to the dogs that were on leashes in the water and started screaming at the top of their lungs. Bell's only reaction was start barking getting so excited that they were going to play with her. I was like stop sreaming and she will calm down.
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I think the kids needed the prong collars, as our dogs were much better behaved than they were :)
That is so funny Brandon! A few weeks ago we had a situation that actually infuriated me. We were out on a Friday night with Bear and took him to eat Sushi with us. As usual people were everywhere gawking but there were two different groups of girls (teens) that walked by us and screamed bloody murder when they saw Bear. I was so angry but said nothing just kept to myself. Then, as we were eating a third group came by. Bear was on the patio with us seperated from the public by a fence. He was also hard to see as it was dark and he was by my feet and half way under the tablecloth. Anyhow, these girls kinda walk by, stop, look down and scream! Bear looks at them and I get angry. Then, they stop screaming, approach us, ask to pet him and then ask if he bites. I was so mad that I said "He only bites people who scream in his face for no apparent reason". >:( It was mean of me to say but I was mad. They ended up not petting Bear and as they turned around they said "Man, she is mean!" ::) Hopefully next time they'll think before screaming.
LOL Jaimie, when I find my tee-shirt that says "Beware of OWNER" I'll pick an extra one up for you.
Stella
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It's funny, I take Feste to a lot of these type events with the Friends, when I'm not actually working the adoption booth and all that has been described happoens almost every time without fail. I generally want to tell people that any dog will bite if sufficently provoked, but that just ends up in a huge explanation and frankly by the end of it,everyone is bored and nothing is learned. I've been know to correct children who were too forward when their parents don't and I heve flat out told people who I don't want to approach him that he might bite in order to keep them away.
When there's a child who is timid, I'll make Feste lie down so to not be so intimidating. I always like those interactions as I can talk to the child while they are coming up to Feste and praise them for approaching the dog properly.
The really funny thing about all of this is that I have more problems with this at 'dog' events, than when I'm walking downtown, whethwer I have 1 or all 3 of them with me. You'd think that people who are at 'dog' events would be more aware of their kids in that situation than they would be in others, but it seems to be exactly the opposite!
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On a good note.. We do meet an equal amount of nice people with well behaved kids. I love it when a parent walks up first and ask if their children can pet our dogs. That's just really responsible in my book.
It's just the oddballs that stand out I guess :)
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Yesterday at work i had bell and baxter there. we were walking aroud and a lady asked me to show her where a certain kind of dog food was. Well i was walking down the drive isle and a woman with five kids the oldest was 16 and the youngest probably like 10.
Well as soon as we started down the isle all the kids start screaming and running becasue they were so scared. I was like are you kidding if you are terrified of a dog dont come in a PET STORE to walk around in and on a weekend when everyone brings their pets in. I mean if this was another dog it might have gotten really upset.
You know not only were they there just walking around scared but they were banging on all the bird cages and fish tanks and then sreaming when the birds would fly around to get away.
I finnaly told them if they couldnt stop doing these things we would have to ask them to leave because it was stressing the animals out. They looked at me and gave me alot of attitude so i had to go get our manager to tell them. Pppl are stupid sometimes.
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I have always tought my kids to ask BEFORE approaching a strange dog - I love my kids (and they way they look!).
I have had to talk to a few of the little kids at soccer about how they treat Teddy. They think he's a big stuffed animal and want to maul him. Ted's a great puppy but still, I don't want to take the chance that something odd might happen.
I've also had one parent think he was the devil dog himself - you should have seen the look of fear when their little boy (maybe 1.5 yrs) tried to pet Teddy. Strange.
I just don't get some people.
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Haha.. That reminds of something Penny..
What is funny to me, is toy dog owners who insist on using a flexi-lead in a public area. They aren't paying attention to what their dog is doing. And then they notice their dog is nose to nose with Bava. I have seen a couple of them actually leave the ground (zooom!) when the owner jerks their pup back so quick. I guess they thought they were getting ready to be mauled by a bear.
I always wanted to say.. Oh he already ate or something similar, but I just let it go.
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Though I'm new here I feel everyone's pain. I have a 6 month old Dogue de Bordeax puppy named Beaumont and people are just plain stupid about it. He's already excellently trained and socialized, but you would think he's going to eat every kid in the neighborhood the way people act while we are out for a walk >:(
What's worse is that today at the vet, (there are three in the office I take him to) one of my vets informed me that I have an agressive breed. What crap! It boils down to how the owner trains the dog. Beaumont is such a lover, what a stupid broad generalization to make and from an educated women to boot! I'm greatfull that Beau is such a sweet dogue and patient with stupid humans ;D
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That is crazy because i know a couple of dogues and everone is sweeter than the next. I hate it when ppl do that it really makes me upset.
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We don't have this problem because people avoid Bubba like he's the plague. :'( I've seen people litterally grab their kids by the arm and cross the street. We get alot of people that just point and stare now. ???
When Bubba was a baby it was the opposite. People would cross the road to see him, ask questions about the breed, love him up.. Ask me where his barrel or where my saddle was. ::) LOL.. But now it's like he's grown horns and spits fire. :'(
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Some ppl just seem to incite bad doggie behaviour i.e the screaming, the running towards the dog waving wildly like an idiot, the irresponsible little dog with napoleon complex owner. Over the last few weeks I have begun to wonder how many dogs were labeled dangerous by animal control just because one of the above irresponsible people happened by them? sad.... :-X
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Yep, and what's sad about the discrimination is that a lot of people think he's a pitt-bull breed of some kind. I know many pitt-bulls and they're just as sweet as the Bordeaux! Again, it all really is in how the owner raises the dog.
Where I live Beaumont is the ONLY Bordeaux. My trainer has 30 or so years of experience not only training dogs but as a dog behaviorist/psychologist working all over the state and my pup is the first he's ever met in the flesh! I wonder where this particular vet gets her "agressive breed" info-possibly a Rice Crispie box? :P
Today we went downtown for some socialization/field trip and as many people who were friendly were horrified that I (quote one woman),"bring a beast like that downtown with all of these respectable people and their children around! ???" I just had a kid of a not horrified parent give Beau a treat out of his mouth and smiled at the woman ;)
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What's worse is that today at the vet, (there are three in the office I take him to) one of my vets informed me that I have an agressive breed.
Yeah, so agressive they gave one a title role in a Tom Hanks movie!
How can anybody think a 'Hooch' is aggressive??? I thought that movie was just such a great examplar of how stupid people mistake a PROTECTIVE dog for an aggressive one. You should find a copy of that movie and take it with you the next time you go to your vet. Tell them to watch the movie if they want to learn about your protective breed of dog, because they clearly don't understand the difference!
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For me it's simple. When I make Beaumont's next appt. I'm going to ask which vet he will be seen by. If it's the vet I have no respect for, I'll simply say that I would prefer to see anyone but HER and at any time. If they don't like that, I'll find a different vet :)
I'm not going to bother trying to educate someone who obviously has their mind made up about my dogue's temperment/disposition/training. People like this woman are the ones grabing their kid by the arm and dragging them to the opposite side of the road when we're out for a walk. *shug* I love my puppy dog, he loves me and he's great-that's all that matters 8)
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Wow, quite a rant going on, and I'll just add to it. People are stupid. I'm a correctional officer so I can attest to just how stupid many can be....
The more people I meet, the more I love my dogs. Ha! Very true.
We have 2 dogue de bordeaux PUPPIES and a 3 year old boxer. I've had police at my house on several occasions with reports of "3 pit-bulls running loose". Pits are banned in my area. I have to inform them that I have never owned a pit and that I would not let my $1500 puppies "run loose in the neighborhood". DUH!!!
They are all three the sweetest dogs. My bordeaux's will bark at strangers, but as soon as they are introduced they give them a big, drooly kiss whether they want one or not!! Ha!
Thanks to all of you sharing your feelings about a subject I get very upset about. You all have some great looking dogs, too!
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I hate when people scream and run away when they see my 5 pound dog approaching. Mika, being a ratter breed, runs after anything that moves, and she LOVES running after things that scream. So these people, afraid of my dog, are just begging her to chase after them. And then they call her vicious and get mad at me. GRRR
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People are SO stupid! This type of stuff just grates my nerves. Dogs read body language and actions and turning and running is gonna get you bit in the butt at the worst and chased by my "big" white dog (okay out in the REAL world, he's considered a big dog but on here he's borderline mojo at 76 lbs! :D) and possibly knocked down because he thinks you're playing.
When my 4 yr old goddaughter was just tiny and we didn't have a dog, I taught her that she has to ask before she can pet any dog. Now her 2 yr old sister is doing the same. I've also taught them that they can't run up to a dog, they have to approach slowly. It's never too early to teach them these things.
If I can avoid them being bitten by teaching basic manners and common dog sense, I will do what is necessary. I just wish all parents would do the same.
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I've gotten the "get that horrible visious beast away from my kids" routine when the said children were already petting Sam & Pippin happily & Pippin at least was about to roll over onto his back in absolute wiggly glee!...that is once the parents noticed the kids were even near the dogs & I'd already introduced the dogs & kids correctly...I mean where was the parent when the kids ran up on my dogs, I had to put up the hand & yell STOP & then put Sam & Pippin in a sit & tell the kids how to approach them correctly?...People can be idiots but the people you do meet that have a clue somehow makes up for the morons...Look at these two...Isn't it obvious they'd try to eat a kid first chance they get??? ::) :D :D
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I agree with everybody here- stupid people should be spayed/neutered rather than adding to the overpopulation of idiots, and should be banned in any area where great dogs congregate. I had an incident yesterday, ON MY OWN property, out in the country! Two young girls were out riding bicycles, and my mastiffs were out in their playpen romping around like the giant puppies they are. Well, these kids stopped by the fence and started "barking", squealing at and screaming at the dogs. When I asked them to knock it off, they gave me all kinds of attitude. I tried explaining that people like them doing what they were doing were the cause of those dogs who, when finally running loose, chase and bite bicycle riders because they have been tormented by people such as themselves in the past. All I got out of them after that was a "shut up, bitch!" so I offered to let my dogs loose for them. End of subject- they got out of here as fast as they could.
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I had a similar incident with children and my GSD. The kids would actually walk across my yard with bricks, sticks, rocks, and once even a metal pipe!! and start hitting the fence with them until my dog would come out from wherever he was sleeping and then they would proceed and throw them at him. My uncle, who lived across the alley called the police one day and the police told him basically "oh well it's a public alley nothing we can do." He then said "I guess when my neices dog gets tired of being poked and having things thrown at him and finally decides to jump the fence, which by the way if he really wanted to he could, and gets one of those misbehaving children then you'll have something to do" A patrol car was at the end of the alley the next morning.
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Hmmm, I must be alone on this one here or I just haven't had any really bad experiences with strangers approaching Drake. I love sharing him with people and I don't mind answering the same repetitive questions and chuckling at the old "Bear" and "Horse" jokes. I take those annoyances as part of Big Dog ownership. I get between Drake and any kids who appear to be running up to him, just to teach them a lesson of "ask then pet", but 99% of kids ask first. I look at it this way, before I owned Drake, the dogs I grew up with didn't even get noticed most of the time. So if someone sees my dog and is as fascinated with him as I am, I can take the awkward jokes and repetitive questions. IT'S REALLY NO BIG DEAL!!! I'm never too good to talk to a stranger about my dog if they're polite and friendly. If they're snotty or rude or condescending, I'm on my way. It's the Nor Cal way. But that's just my opinion....
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I had a similar incident with children and my GSD. The kids would actually walk across my yard with bricks, sticks, rocks, and once even a metal pipe!! and start hitting the fence with them until my dog would come out from wherever he was sleeping and then they would proceed and throw them at him. My uncle, who lived across the alley called the police one day and the police told him basically "oh well it's a public alley nothing we can do." He then said "I guess when my neices dog gets tired of being poked and having things thrown at him and finally decides to jump the fence, which by the way if he really wanted to he could, and gets one of those misbehaving children then you'll have something to do" A patrol car was at the end of the alley the next morning.
Oh it pi55es me off that "nothing can be done" until someone's big, bad, viscious dog hurts some kid who has been tormenting the dog for God knows how long...it is ALWAYS the dogs fault.
However it works both ways, I had that same response when I called the authorities about loose dogs running in our neighborhood. There are at least a dozen that run loose in my neighborhood, pitties, a rottie, a red hunting dog and various mojos to name a few. I don't like the fact that potentially unvaccinated dogs are in my yard, plus my "daughters" will take my toddler out to swim in his pool and just what if one of said dogs decides he is having a bad day? So I called the sheriff's dept. as we are out of the city limits and they said they can't do anything unless there is a problem. As I see it, I was calling to protect the pooches as much as my family. People drive fast around our neighborhood and I certainly don't want to see road puddy-puppy. But I guess all you can do is take care of your own...ugh!
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Hmmm, I must be alone on this one here or I just haven't had any really bad experiences with strangers approaching Drake. I love sharing him with people and I don't mind answering the same repetitive questions and chuckling at the old "Bear" and "Horse" jokes. I take those annoyances as part of Big Dog ownership. I get between Drake and any kids who appear to be running up to him, just to teach them a lesson of "ask then pet", but 99% of kids ask first. I look at it this way, before I owned Drake, the dogs I grew up with didn't even get noticed most of the time. So if someone sees my dog and is as fascinated with him as I am, I can take the awkward jokes and repetitive questions. IT'S REALLY NO BIG DEAL!!! I'm never too good to talk to a stranger about my dog if they're polite and friendly. If they're snotty or rude or condescending, I'm on my way. It's the Nor Cal way. But that's just my opinion....
Are you kidding? ;D People who ask me about Sam & Pippin probably wish they hadn't!...lol...I LOVE talking about not just my dogs but the breed as a whole!...I also am not annoyed by the "horse, eats alot, poops a ton, etc. comments....I am though annoyed by ignorance & rudness whether is be directed at my dogs, children, family, friends...It's just that when ignorance comes into play around my dogs with them being dogs it could have a bad outcome...Dogs know their basic instincts when they feel threatened...f ight or flee...Can you imagine what it takes them to stay calm with people running at them, screaming at them, & even kids trying to run up & hug them or worst yet thrwo things at them as we've had some members here experience?...The grace that they are able to show while "under fire" amazes me! :)
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Well, I might as well join in here.
You can read my entire vent on my new thread posted. I'll just say that some parents really need to have handle on their kids.
Gunther is afraid of tween children. He is for the most part fine if he is on leash and we are walking. I think he feels safe and I can protect him that way if needed. But today we had an incident at the dog park where a kid ran past him and teased him over and over again on purpose while the mother just yelled at the kid but for the most part did nothing. Let me tell you, this could have turned very ugly as Gunther had just about had enough of this kid before I put him in a down stay.
Overall, we haven't had any problems with kids. This was our first instance. Gunther only gets nervous if there are large crowds of them together, which is rare. We took him to a parade yesterday and he did wonderfully. Just about everyone asked before petting him, and he only got nervous when a group of 5 boys came up (with no parents, mind you) and tried to hide behind me.
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I havn't had any problems with the asking to approach Kali, however I have found Kali tends to be leary of certain strangers, so I ask for anyone approaching us to stop a few feet short while Kali is in a sit. Then allow her to close the remaining distance and initiate contact herself, this approach has worked great for us.
On a venting note, i was at the clinic (Our vet is Kali's Aunty) last week and as I came out of the pharmacy into the waiting room a lady wih a young lab puppy and two young children, picked up her puppy and made a comment that the big black dog was going to attack her puppy.
First Kali didn't even notice the puppy otherwise she would have wanted to go visit, second if your really concerned shouldn't you make sure your kids are safe before you worry about the puppy. Well I couldn't ignore her, I stopped dead and called her on her ignorance and preceeded to lecture her on her ignorance. About the time I finished a client who had met Kali early chimed in with the fact, Kali like nearly all other large dogs was an aloof gently giant. I took that as my que to exit.
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I usually get nice people who are genuinely interested in the pups. Lately, though, must have been stupid days! I took Baloo out and had 3 toddlers CLIMBING on him and he's loving it...lady walks up and very fearfully asks "is he viscious?". I just couldn't resist...I looked at the kids and said "Yep". Or I took the dane train to the mall and some man argued that Mozart was deaf because of his eye color and someone else told me that danes don't come in these colors. Oh, ok genius. But then all 3 were laying down, a kid on each one of them and AGAIN I get asked, are they going to bite?? Gosh, I don't know...Probabl y! What idiots! Forunately though this is the minority here.