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BPO Off Topic Forum => Anything Non-Dog Related => : Anky November 25, 2005, 09:17:42 PM
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Matt stopped smoking about a week ago. He's been using the patch on it's highest dose. (As the pharmacist said he should with the amount and type of cigarettes he'd been smoking). Well he has a rash under where the patch is, which is normal I guess. But then he says that for the first hour of having it on he says it feels like "Little gnomes are under the skin biting my muscle tissue". Then he gets "Morning sickness" with naseau and cramps for another three hours. On the bright side he doesn't even want to think of smoking anymore. YAY! On the not so bright side he's getting sick. He's been hacking up massive quantities of brown phlegm (The tar from 5 years of smoking 1-2 packs a day), his throat is really sore (But came back negative for strep), and he's wicked wicked dizzy. In fact he didn't wear the patch at all today and he's passed out cold right now with chest pains and he can't see straight. We went to the ER Thanksgiving night and he came back OK, and someone suggested to me he might be allergic to the patch. I was just wondering if any of you guys had been through anything like this. He's my baby and I'm so worried about him! :'(
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yeah hes allergic to it , stronger than i am, im not sure i want attempt quitting smoking :P
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My husband tried the patch and it made him feel wierd so he stop using it. I have quit smoking and you do not vomit up the tar and I smoked long and more than Matt. Good luck to him, it is a very difficult thing to do. This is the second time I quit, the last time I made it 15 months. He really should stop using the patch.
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My husband tried the patch and it made him feel wierd so he stop using it. I have quit smoking and you do not vomit up the tar and I smoked long and more than Matt. Good luck to him, it is a very difficult thing to do. This is the second time I quit, the last time I made it 15 months. He really should stop using the patch.
It's not vomit. It's phelgm/mucus. He's coughed it up forever, just now he's doing it with more frequency. I want him to quit so bad, I want him around for a good long time and he cant' stand the gum and the (Overpriced) patch is our last chance.
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I would suggest he talk to the pharmacist. Sounds like the patch is working (ie: "he doesn't want to smoke"). A week has passed, perhaps a lower dose would continue on the good work. He may not be "allergic" to it, just experiencing some of the side effects. A lower dose may ease up on the side effects. I think most folks cough up a lot more gunk the first weeks they are off the cigs.... it is the bronchioles adjusting to cleaner oxygen. That part should get better, along with his sense of smell and taste.
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Here's a list of Side effect. I've highlighted Matt's symptoms. I'm thinking he just needs a lower dose.
What side effects may occur?
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Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, inform your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can determine if it is safe for you to continue using nicotine patches.
Most common side effects may include:
Dizziness, high blood pressure, itching and burning at the application site, nausea, redness of the skin
Less common side effects may include:
Abnormal dreaming, allergic reactions, back pain, chest pain, constipation, cough, diarrhea, drowsiness, dry mouth, headache, impaired concentration, indigestion, inflammation of sinuses, menstrual irregularities, numbÂness, pain, pins and needles sensation, rash, sleeplessness, sore throat, stomach pain, sweating, taste changes, tingling, vomiting, weakness
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Well, I can't help with any suggestions, but I can say that I am glad he is at least not experiencing mentrual irregularities .
If that starts, I would definitely take him off the patch. ;D
Good luck with him quitting smoking. I know it can be very difficult. Hubby chews tobacco, which I find horrendously disgusting, and he refuses to quit, even though theoretically he could lose 1/2 his face to cancer. (tongue, gum, lip, throat, tooth loss)
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Well, I can't help with any suggestions, but I can say that I am glad he is at least not experiencing mentrual irregularities .Â
I was gonna highlight that jsut to be evil......... ;D
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Well, I can't help with any suggestions, but I can say that I am glad he is at least not experiencing mentrual irregularities .
I was gonna highlight that jsut to be evil.........
Hahaha........ ..........that certainly would have raised a few eyebrows. I definitely would have said take him off the patch then.......... ...lol
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Well, everybody is different. Patch did not work for me but the gum does. Mostly I love sticking the emptied, chewed stuff around the house so everybody knows how good I have been. I hate quitting but I hate not quitting worse. Food does not taste better, it just smells better. Then again, I smell more and that includes things I do not want to smell. I am very unhappy.
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I quit smoking the old fashion way, cold turkey and boy was I a... well not a very nice person, put it that way. Anyway I had a friend that went on the patch and she was on too strong of a dose and got nicotine overdose, she was puking and passing out ect. So he could have too strong of a dose. I would suggest going on the dose down, also make sure that he is not sneaking a smoke too, that could cause he to overdose as well. Hope that helps, and tell him good luck. But it is posible to quit, it will be 2 years for me this Jan!
Nina
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He tried the patch a year ago and forgot about it and had a smoke and it DID put him in the hospital. When he wakes up I'm gonna talk to him about stepping down the dose...... And he's tried going cold turkey...... He's a PIA under normal circumstances. When he's having a nic fit Mother Teresa herself would curse him.
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Yup I was not a happy camper when I quit, it was like PMS times 100. Poor Tim I think he wanted to kill me. But my one motivation was I just had surgery and didn't want to risk not healing properly, so I didn't dare start to smoke again. (I had a boob reduction, didn't want to risk getting gangrene.)
Anyway, I think he would feel much better if he went on a lower dose, he shouldn't have side effects that bad.
Nina
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Coming in late to this thread but with to much experience unfortunately and from a medical perspective...
The patch works great IF you can tolerate the adhesive which as your hubby says feels like gnomes going crazy under the patch. I have been a smaker for 13 years, quit twice. Most recently after surgery on my neck 6 weeks ago. I also have a very good friend who is a pharmacist. If you put the patch on an area that is "fatty" the itching is less, for me that was my outer thighs. With men, Who knows? LOL! As far as the reactions, if he wore the patch and smoked or cheated the passing out is normal and serious. DO NOT do it again, it can cause a heart attack. If he had the reaction just with the patch, to high of a dose,. An allergy will manifest as breathing difficulties, hives, the itching is natural under the patch from the glue. I SLAP the spot the patch is on wheni t itches, usually only last a few hours. It is easier to put it on a few hours before bed. As far as the phlegm, that is very normal, as is the sore throat. It lasts about 2 months, and can get dark almost balck at times. He will feel like he has a respiratory infection most of the time, but if he tells his MD he quit smoking they will not treat him as this is a normal reaction to the body getting rid of the toxins. Your lungs are the one area of the body that will "regroup" if you will. They kick out the crap and get "clean" unlike your heart. You can hurt your lungs and most times they will recover unless you have a fibrosis (hard lung) when you damage your heart it is damaged end of story. I wish him luck. It is a hard habit to quit. ;)
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Forgot to mention another option. Med called Wellbutrin. Acts as an antidepressant but also is highly successful in smoking cessation. A good friend of mine could not tolerate the patch and went on wellbutrin with excellent results. She is smoke free. Everyone is different. One method I will warn you against is the nasal spray or the nicotine inhalers. We don't use them here much because of the serious side effects and hospital stays.
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I think most folks cough up a lot more gunk the first weeks they are off the cigs.... it is the bronchioles adjusting to cleaner oxygen. That part should get better, along with his sense of smell and taste.
I have to disagree to this. I have quit twice and my hubby once, and that never happened. And I use to be a chain smoker.
The smell and taste is true though and sometimes not for the better.
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i quit 5 years ago. still crave them to this day! i actually have dreams i am smoking a cig. i also coughed up mucus. he may be coughing so hard he actually is vomitting. i think alot of people cough alot right after they quit. it is the body's way of ridding itself of foreign substances and toxins. i quit cold turkey, no patch. it was very hard. had panic attacks and anxiety. gained a ton of weight too. could matt be sneaking and smoking? if you wear the patch and smoke it will make you sick! tell him goodluck!!!
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Forgot to mention another option. Med called Wellbutrin. Acts as an antidepressant but also is highly successful in smoking cessation. A good friend of mine could not tolerate the patch and went on wellbutrin with excellent results. She is smoke free. Everyone is different. One method I will warn you against is the nasal spray or the nicotine inhalers. We don't use them here much because of the serious side effects and hospital stays.Â
Count me in as a Wellbutrin success story! I tried everything, the patch (would get home from my non-smoking work, rip it off, and make up for lost time all evening) gum (made me puke), hypnosis (faded after a few weeks) acupunture (felt great, but I still smoked) even those things you clip on your ear (looked odd, made my ears sore).
When I tried cold turkey I had horrible depression, mood swings, trouble concentrating, and two fender benders. The Wellbutrin made it easy. You can still smoke while taking it, after the first week you just don't WANT as many cigarettes, so it's easy to cut down. Then you can start taking out the ones you think you really need, like the one when you wake up, or after meals. The Wellbutrin (also marketed as Zyban) helps even out the highs and lows, so you don't feel the need for that nicotine "boost". It took me about 8 weeks 'til I smoked my last cigarette, and about another month to make sure before I stopped the Wellbutrin. I've been smoke free now for more than SEVEN YEARS- and have no desire at all- even when other people light up around me.
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i actually have dreams i am smoking a cig.Â
I do that too.
I don't crave it all that much this time, but the last time I quit for 15 months a wanted one everyday. I guess I finally gave in when I got in a very stressful situation 3000 Miles away from home. This time I pray alot that really helped with not craving a cig.
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Well, I tried the patch and it made my skin all hot and itchy so I quit using it which really sucks cuz I was hoping it would work!
Josh tried it too and he had horrible nightmares, so bad that he was scared to go to sleep. That was about four years ago and we are still smoking. Cigarettes suck.
Good luck to Matt, maybe he can do better!
Steph
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COLD TURKEY! since 8/11/05. I gained 10lbs, hubby says I'm quite NASTY (oh well) its getting easier. Haven't cheated. I couldn't breathe so it was go to the doctor & tell her "I can't breathe" & the answer would be "QUIT SMOKING" so I opted to guit on my own after about 30 years. Good Luck!
Carolyn
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Well he's going to talk to Dr. Ski this week. (His real name is "Golasarski", but I'm lazy and just say Dr. Ski. Matt does it too. I'm such a trend setter!) He hasn't worn the patch for a few days now and he says he feels better. But he's smoking again. BOO! Granted not as much (4 or 5 a day) and he's on Ultra Lights as opposed to Cowboy Killers, but still........
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If he can't tolerate the patch, seriously talk to the doc about the Wellbutrin. Since it's also an antidepressant, it does help a LOT with the behavioral stuff.
A friend of mine decided that she had to quit--she wanted to get pregnant, and was approaching 40, and figured that she was running out of time. She'd been smoking since she was 15--tried the gum, tried the patch, tried hypnotism--but it was the Wellbutrin that finally did it for her, and she was barely even bitchy!
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I talked to him about it last night. He did say that the dr mentioned something about it and he'll ask when he talks to him again.