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BPO Training Forum => Behavior, Housebreaking, Obedience => : hairprincessnyu May 15, 2006, 10:03:54 PM

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: hairprincessnyu May 15, 2006, 10:03:54 PM
Well, Cesco grabbed some candy from the table tonight and I went to take it out of his mouth and he didn't like that very much. I put my hand in his mouth to get it and he grabbed my hand, sunk his teeth in and wouldn't let go. I am left with 3 puncture wounds and a broken heart. My parents say he has to go. I say it is MY FAULT. When Cesco was a year old he attacked my dad when my dad went to grab his food bowl to fill it up. Then when he got his paw stuck in the front gate, my dad tried to get it out, and ended up with 16 more stiches. Someone please tell me we are stupid humans and this problem can be solved. Please tell me this is all my fault. My dad is ready to put him to sleep and my mom and I are sobbing because we love him so much, but don't know what to do. He gets very aggressive around his food, toys, pen, and treats. Otherwise he is a great dog!! SO happy and friendly. Please guys, I need your help here, PLEASE tell me there is a solution...... .I will do anything he needs. Feel free to tell me I am an idiot for sticking my hand in his mouth to get the candy, I realize this and wish it had never happened.  :'(
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: newflvr May 15, 2006, 10:10:27 PM
I am SO sorry!  What a horrible thing to have happen.  It does sound like Cesco has some serious issues that have to be addressed, but you need to get some time and some serious training to get control.  There are others here who have better advice, but maybe you can talk your parents in to a reasonable amount of time to get help (like at least six months!).  Look for a dog behaviorist or trainer who can intervene.  Maybe if the whole family helped in training?????

Again, I am so sorry!!! :( :( :(
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: hairprincessnyu May 15, 2006, 10:18:14 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you, for the quick response, my mom said she will pay for training if it will help. It is just so weird, out of all of us, he is attached to me the most, and it is almost like he doesn't even know he did anything wrong! When I pried my hand loose from his teeth I ran screaming and crying down the hallway and my mom put him outside on the run. About a half hour later we went to take him his and he was tail wagging and jumping up and down as usual. I just don't get it, he really is such a sweet dog, why does he DO THIS??!! I don't even know where we would find a good trainer or behaviorist in this area. I am in the Gadsden, Alabama area. If I can convince my parents training will help, they will go for it, but this is just so depressing!!!!! My poor baby!!! I am leaving on Friday for the summer and I feel awful about the whole situation..... here is a pic from a few nights ago of mom and Cesco :-(
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: Gypsy Jazmine May 15, 2006, 10:31:39 PM
Cesco has some issues...yes.. but not issues that can't be resolved I feel. :) From what you describe I believe Cesco needs some good ol' fashion NILIF...That's nothing in life is free...Make him sit for ANY privilege...Es pecially before you put his food dish down...Dogs need to know where their food is coming from...Also make him sit or down before he is allowed outside, gets a toy (PUT ALL TOYS UP ...THAT'S A PRIVILEGE!) or any treat...Follow the natural order of the wolf & ignore him when you enter a room he is in for a full 5 minutes...If he jumps up or nudges you for attention give him you back...praise him & pet him when he greets you appropriatly.. .Does he know the "leave it" command?...That would have been benificial to you with the candy tonight...The incident with your dad & the gate can probably be chalked up to fear & pain...I'd even expect that from my dogs...A scared dog will bite...The rest of what Cesco is doing is resource gaurding...YOU take control of his resources &let him know who the higher status dog is...every time...Good luck! :)
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: hairprincessnyu May 15, 2006, 11:02:49 PM
ok one more thing my mom just reminded me to add. When he bit me, he held on and kept biting, it wasn't just a quick "get away from me" bite. It was really weird and really vicious...and definatly not just a play bite.
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: doggylover May 15, 2006, 11:22:48 PM
You and your family need to make some serious changes today.  Your dog is under the impression that he is the alpha, and he is nice in between these biting episodes because he only has to bite you when you get 'out of line'.  Re-read Jasmine's posts, and also you should talk to Red (I don't know her full bpo name off hand, but she is a rotty owner and she knows a TON about dogs). 
Here is a short list of what you need to do starting today:
1.  The family eats first and best.  You all eat before you feed him, and he gets NO table scraps.  I would make him lay down near by so he has to smell your food, but don't acknowledge him in any way. 

2.  The family goes out the door first, he goes out last.  The alpha leads the pack. 

3.  He isn't allowed on ANY furniture.  Alphas sit higher up than lower pack members.

4.  He has to earn EVERYTHING.  He must perform a command for you for a toy, treat, everything has to be earned.  YOU own everything in the house, including his toys, his bed, his body.  You are a benevolent but firm alpha. 

5.  You pet him ONLY when YOU call him to you for a pat.  If he comes over for a pet, you rebuff him.  Alphas call lower pack members to them for attention.  A lower pack member wouldn't approach an alpha and 'bug' them, if a pup 'bugs' an alpha wolf in the wild, he soon learns he may be bit. 

6.  If he leans on you, you nicely push him away and give him a command to lay down.  Leaning is dominant.  Also, don't let him put his paws on you. 

There are more...this  is what I can think of off hand.  Your dog won't be 'hurt' by this, he will figure out really fast that he is not in charge.  He is a good/confused animal and he will get the message loud and clear that you are in charge.  It will be a huge relief to him to know that you all love him and he doesn't have to run the show. 
I really hope this helps,
Ronda     
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: Gypsy Jazmine May 15, 2006, 11:29:46 PM
You and your family need to make some serious changes today.  Your dog is under the impression that he is the alpha, and he is nice in between these biting episodes because he only has to bite you when you get 'out of line'.  Re-read Jasmine's posts, and also you should talk to Red (I don't know her full bpo name off hand, but she is a rotty owner and she knows a TON about dogs). 
Here is a short list of what you need to do starting today:
1.  The family eats first and best.  You all eat before you feed him, and he gets NO table scraps.  I would make him lay down near by so he has to smell your food, but don't acknowledge him in any way. 

2.  The family goes out the door first, he goes out last.  The alpha leads the pack. 

3.  He isn't allowed on ANY furniture.  Alphas sit higher up than lower pack members.

4.  He has to earn EVERYTHING.  He must perform a command for you for a toy, treat, everything has to be earned.  YOU own everything in the house, including his toys, his bed, his body.  You are a benevolent but firm alpha. 

5.  You pet him ONLY when YOU call him to you for a pat.  If he comes over for a pet, you rebuff him.  Alphas call lower pack members to them for attention.  A lower pack member wouldn't approach an alpha and 'bug' them, if a pup 'bugs' an alpha wolf in the wild, he soon learns he may be bit. 

6.  If he leans on you, you nicely push him away and give him a command to lay down.  Leaning is dominant.  Also, don't let him put his paws on you. 

There are more...this  is what I can think of off hand.  Your dog won't be 'hurt' by this, he will figure out really fast that he is not in charge.  He is a good/confused animal and he will get the message loud and clear that you are in charge.  It will be a huge relief to him to know that you all love him and he doesn't have to run the show. 
I really hope this helps,
Ronda     
I p.m.'d you Red's personal e-mail addy...I don't think she'll mind in this case...Tell her Gypsy sent you! ;D
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: doggylover May 15, 2006, 11:29:54 PM
I forgot something, and then re-read the posts and saw that Gypsy covered it.  I wanted to restate it because she was so dead on.  You shouldn't free feed.  He needs to sit and politely wait for you to put his food bowl down.  I would even make him sit in a stay position after you have put the bowl down, and make him think for a few long seconds about who decides when/what he gets to eat. 
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: Kermit May 15, 2006, 11:34:14 PM
Cheyenne I just sent you an email with some info from my behaviourist. Good luck!!!! :-* :-* :-*
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: doggylover May 15, 2006, 11:37:00 PM
YAY help is on the way!!! I anticipate that when I get my puppy, I will be on here needing TONS of help.  It is just SO hard to handle these things when your heart is involved. It is much clearer from a little distance.  My new puppy will probably spend her day peeing on my furniture and eating my shoes...
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: Kelly89084 May 16, 2006, 12:18:21 AM
I agree that it's Alpha issues.  Personally with a guy that set in his position, I would not only NOT free feed, but I'd take it a step further and hand feed him whenever possible..  If he snaps or gets nasty, take it away and he gets nothing to eat.  He's not stupid and he's not going to starve before he figures out what's going on. 

Personally I find the agressive type alpha dogs much easier to deal with that the quietly alpha types, but that's just me.  I'm weird like that.  ::)
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: Gypsy Jazmine May 16, 2006, 12:22:58 AM
I agree that it's Alpha issues.  Personally with a guy that set in his position, I would not only NOT free feed, but I'd take it a step further and hand feed him whenever possible..  If he snaps or gets nasty, take it away and he gets nothing to eat.  He's not stupid and he's not going to starve before he figures out what's going on. 

Personally I find the agressive type alpha dogs much easier to deal with that the quietly alpha types, but that's just me.  I'm weird like that.  ::)
Naw you're not wierd...At least with the aggressive Alphas there is no question what you're dealing with & what your next move should be...I have a "quiet Alpha" girl & it's like a da** chess match with her...Though sometimes I am not sure whos in check. :-\
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: cricket36580 May 16, 2006, 05:43:26 AM
I think I'm about to be the pink elephant on this one...  I'm not so sure it's about being alpha but more about he needs to learn that there is a give and take in a pack and when you give you can take away...but he will always get it back.  Putting your hand in his mouth unexpectedly was, to him, rude and if you had done it to a human would be considered assult.  I'm not going to count the stitches dad got because of the paw being stuck.  Fear and pain biting are common with injured animals so I don't feel like he can be blamed for that.  What you need to teach him is that if you take something away, he's going to get something better in return.  Also, he needs to be taught that you are allowed to do things like stick your hand in his mouth...howeve r, when you do you are going to respect him and warn him that you're about to do something like that.  If you haven't read Bones Would Rain From the Sky, you need to.  There is a whole section on this issue.  What will be very hard to do is to look at yourself honestly and see where your communication is short. 

Of course, if you have doubts about being alpha then you also need to correct that asap.  does he listen to you or does he humor you?  Does he get annoyed when you don't do what he tells you to do?  Does he allow you to sit in certain places but not others?  When and where does he eat?  How often do you spend alone time with him and how does he react?  Don't answer here...the questions are to help you to think about causes and put the dots together to make the picture.  Remember, you know this dog best and you've recieved really good advice here...you still have to do what you think is best.
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: Gypsy Jazmine May 16, 2006, 06:07:48 AM
I think I'm about to be the pink elephant on this one...  I'm not so sure it's about being alpha but more about he needs to learn that there is a give and take in a pack and when you give you can take away...but he will always get it back.  Putting your hand in his mouth unexpectedly was, to him, rude and if you had done it to a human would be considered assult.  I'm not going to count the stitches dad got because of the paw being stuck.  Fear and pain biting are common with injured animals so I don't feel like he can be blamed for that.  What you need to teach him is that if you take something away, he's going to get something better in return.  Also, he needs to be taught that you are allowed to do things like stick your hand in his mouth...howeve r, when you do you are going to respect him and warn him that you're about to do something like that.  If you haven't read Bones Would Rain From the Sky, you need to.  There is a whole section on this issue.  What will be very hard to do is to look at yourself honestly and see where your communication is short. 

Of course, if you have doubts about being alpha then you also need to correct that asap.  does he listen to you or does he humor you?  Does he get annoyed when you don't do what he tells you to do?  Does he allow you to sit in certain places but not others?  When and where does he eat?  How often do you spend alone time with him and how does he react?  Don't answer here...the questions are to help you to think about causes and put the dots together to make the picture.  Remember, you know this dog best and you've recieved really good advice here...you still have to do what you think is best.
I had't thought of that...My trainer taught us to "trade" an item that the dogs have that I don't want them to for other "good stuff".
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: GreatDanz May 16, 2006, 07:41:05 AM
Gosh, this is a tough one.  What concerns me about this situation is that it appears Cesco didn't give you any warning before biting.  Usually dogs will give a warning growl and snap before biting, especially if it involves their own pack members, i.e. the family.

My white Dane is wired incorrectly, and he is an aggressive (fear-aggression) dog.  I am aware of this, and I make sure that he is never in a position to feel uncomfortable with a situation.  When people come to the house, he gets baby-gated in the dog room where he can see what is going on.  IF he knows the people, once things have calmed down he can come out and socialize.  If he doesn't, he stays in that room until the people leave.  At the vet, we only see women, men frighten him, and they are usually aware of the situation and are willing to work VERY slowly with Mickey to earn his trust.  I still muzzle him while drawing blood or giving shots just to be safe.

I can tell you though, never once has he bit me, my husband or our other dane.  It never even occured to me to be afraid of him that he might bite me.  I am alpha and he knows it.  Cesco is obviously under the impression he is in charge, mixed with the propensity for vicious behavior you have a VERY dangerous situation on your hands.

Please start by hiring a behaviorist and have her/him come to your house to observe.  They certainly can help you understand what may be going through Cesco's head.  Also, PLEASE don't allow Cesco access to anyone outside of your family that lives in your house.  If he bites, you will be stuck with an administrative and legal mess on your hands, and knowing the dog's history you're at risk for having him PTS.

There are some dogs that for whatever reason are just wrong in the head, and there is nothing you can do to "fix" them.  This isn't your fault, it just is what it is. 
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: aggghgmom May 16, 2006, 07:55:43 AM
You have already received such great advise from people much more knowledgeable than me, but I did want to tell you how very sorry I am that you are going thru this.  It is so hard when someone or something that we love and trust hurts us.  I totally agree that it is time to bring in a professional, best of luck to you, your family and Cesco.

Randy
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: hairprincessnyu May 16, 2006, 11:50:21 AM
You guys are amazing thank you so much. I am printing everything out and sticking it on the refrigerator. I feel so awful about this, but the numbing pain in my right hand and figers reminds me he really needs some help!!! Thanks again everyone  :-\
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: Kelly89084 May 16, 2006, 01:16:16 PM
Naw you're not wierd...At least with the aggressive Alphas there is no question what you're dealing with & what your next move should be...I have a "quiet Alpha" girl & it's like a da** chess match with her...Though sometimes I am not sure whos in check. :-\

I totally know what you mean.  Holly gets away with far more than she should because she's one of the quiet, sneaky ones.  She slips under my radar far too often than i'd care to admit.  We did figure out that she feels way too high up on the ladder if she's allowed on the couch at all or in my lap, and if you do it once she assumes she can do it whenever she feels like it and doesn't like being told otherwise so no more of those for her.   ;)  I noticed the last few days that she's turned hard of hearing and it goes right along with when I started letting her on the couch again.   ::)
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: Kelly89084 May 16, 2006, 01:24:04 PM
You guys are amazing thank you so much. I am printing everything out and sticking it on the refrigerator. I feel so awful about this, but the numbing pain in my right hand and figers reminds me he really needs some help!!! Thanks again everyone  :-\

I'm' sorry you're having to deal with this.  Unfortunately it's likely to get worse for a bit before it gets better.  I really hope everything works out for you and your pup. 
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: lins_saving_grace May 16, 2006, 01:24:09 PM
Well, Cesco grabbed some candy from the table tonight and I went to take it out of his mouth and he didn't like that very much. I put my hand in his mouth to get it and he grabbed my hand, sunk his teeth in and wouldn't let go. I am left with 3 puncture wounds and a broken heart. My parents say he has to go. I say it is MY FAULT. When Cesco was a year old he attacked my dad when my dad went to grab his food bowl to fill it up. Then when he got his paw stuck in the front gate, my dad tried to get it out, and ended up with 16 more stiches. Someone please tell me we are stupid humans and this problem can be solved. Please tell me this is all my fault. My dad is ready to put him to sleep and my mom and I are sobbing because we love him so much, but don't know what to do. He gets very aggressive around his food, toys, pen, and treats. Otherwise he is a great dog!! SO happy and friendly. Please guys, I need your help here, PLEASE tell me there is a solution...... .I will do anything he needs. Feel free to tell me I am an idiot for sticking my hand in his mouth to get the candy, I realize this and wish it had never happened.  :'(
I had to dig something out of Lady's mouth ONCE!  My finger didn't come out for about 15 minutes.  I did the stare down, the alpha things, and a little yelling and I bopped her on the head once or twice. 
It never happened again.  Training...the key word is training.  They will learn that's not acceptable if you teach them it's not.  I don't want to sound harsh...but you may need to be a little more firm and less tolerant.  :) 
A dog should never attach you for reach for the food bowl YOU bought filled with the food YOU gave him.  That was lesson number 1 for us and the girls.  It's not their bowl and not their food.  We give it to them ... but it is OURS.  Same principle with toys, sticks, grass, mail, etc. 
Snippiness isn't good for you or anyone else.
When Lady snipped...I was told to do this and did do this...I grabbed her muzzle and squeezed until she yelpped.  I hate doing it...but it serious discourages that behavior.
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: Saint and Mal mom May 16, 2006, 03:17:02 PM
I would just like to say how sorry I am that this happened. I know how scary this must have been. Twice, Zoey has growled at me when I was trying to drag her out of the house and she didn't want to go. I was scared, but I forced out anyway, making sure that she couldn't physically bend around and bite me. But I was afraid she really would bite! You must prove that your in charge, as mentioned. Make Cesco do things that are out of his comfort zone bit by bit, slowly, so he learns to obey and trust you. If he is used to going for walks for example, stop him for a minute or 2. He may get restless, but make him learn to do things that he may not want to do, but be sure he knows he MUST obey. Or if he is used to sitting down while you brush him, make him stand. Do things to let him know you have the authority to tell him to do something he doesn't usually do. YOU are in charge. Be patient and don't give up. He hardly sounds like a mean dog. Just some behavioral problems is all.
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: Kermit May 16, 2006, 03:50:42 PM
Cheyenne, I hope your hand is feeling better today.

I had to chime in again because one of my dogs just bit the crap out of my hand, because I am a fool-woman and stuck my hand in the middle of a bunch of rough-housing. I'm not even sure who got me but they must have thought my hand was just another "dog part". :( Anyhow, it hurts like crap, so I know yours must hurt REAL BAD, cause the bite I got was a play bite! Thank goodness it's my left hand, but dang! Dog teeth are painful!

Let us know how things work out and I wish you the best. Take care of that hand. :-*
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: swells May 16, 2006, 04:22:34 PM
The advice everyone has given is great.

One thing I would ad (if someone hasn't already) is to get him to the vet for a complete physical and bloodwork (including Thyroid-T4). There are some diseases that can cause agression. Just something else to rule out.

Good luck,
Stacie
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: kathryn May 16, 2006, 06:58:46 PM
I have been out of town and at work so much the last three weeks that Kaila has decided that she doesn't have to listen to me and that she is the boss of me.  I had to take her down a peg or two the other night and she has been a lot better.  Since I am not sure what your schedule or living arrangements are it may also be a case of Cesco trying to move up the chain of command if you haven't been giving him the attention he has been used to.  Just a thought since mine is doing that right now.  I hope your hand is doing better and everything works out.  You have gotten some terrific advice.

Kat
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: hairprincessnyu May 16, 2006, 08:51:09 PM
You all are so wonderfull. I am going to the vet tomorrow and going to ask her a few questions. I have aleady started printing out articles Rebekkah and Red have sent me, they are lifesavers! I think I am going to head to the hospital tomorrow. I thought I would get feeling back in my middle finger by now, but it still feels like the whole thing is pins and needles and it is the size of a sausage. Has anyone had this happen before? Will the feeling come back soon?
I have started retraining Cesco already, I juat pray that when I leave for the summer my mom can keep it up. She is a real mushball, but when she saw Cesco attack her last night, she was crying in pain and fear for me! She has been really good today following the new rules I have learned about. I am really trying to follow NILIF. My dad still thinks Cesco is 'too dangerous" and really wants to get rid of him, so that makes me want to try harder to make everything ok! I don't know what I would do without the support of each and every one of you, I hope someday, I can be this helpfull to someone!!! Please keep your fingers crossed (and out of your dog's mouth) for me!!  ;)
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: MommyOfSchnauzers May 17, 2006, 12:00:23 AM
Don't have advice to give.  Just take care of yourself!  Watch for infection in your finger.  Clean with peroxide often. 

Hope their great advice helps.

Mel
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: CujoandShamus May 17, 2006, 04:51:27 AM
As far as the bite, I would go to the Dr.
I was bit pretty bad by a friends dog, he got me between  two bones in my hand and it took a good month to get all feeling back in my hand. I still have a crater scar in my hand and that was six years ago.
My CUjo is very food aggressive to everyone but me. I trained him and I feed him so he doesn't mess with me. I hope you can get you dog in toe. Good luck.
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: chaos270 May 17, 2006, 08:11:29 AM
Definitely go get it checked.  It sounds like it may be already infected.  Kali's gotten me too hard on the hand a few times and hit a few nerves but it usually only took about a day to get feeling back.  She was puppy mothing at the time something she's alot better about now.  But definitely go get it checked ASAP so you can start antibiotics.  I hope it all works out also how much exercise has he been getting?  You may want to start taking him on long walks to wear him out more and teach him to respect you a little more by doing OB on the leash.
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: GreatDanz May 17, 2006, 08:37:25 AM
You all are so wonderfull. I am going to the vet tomorrow and going to ask her a few questions. I have aleady started printing out articles Rebekkah and Red have sent me, they are lifesavers! I think I am going to head to the hospital tomorrow. I thought I would get feeling back in my middle finger by now, but it still feels like the whole thing is pins and needles and it is the size of a sausage. Has anyone had this happen before? Will the feeling come back soon?
I have started retraining Cesco already, I juat pray that when I leave for the summer my mom can keep it up. She is a real mushball, but when she saw Cesco attack her last night, she was crying in pain and fear for me! She has been really good today following the new rules I have learned about. I am really trying to follow NILIF. My dad still thinks Cesco is 'too dangerous" and really wants to get rid of him, so that makes me want to try harder to make everything ok! I don't know what I would do without the support of each and every one of you, I hope someday, I can be this helpfull to someone!!! Please keep your fingers crossed (and out of your dog's mouth) for me!!  ;)

I didn't realize that you weren't going to be around this summer to follow through on any training and behavior modification that needs to be done on Cesco.

IMO, it's not fair to leave this situation in the hands of one person that is afraid of the dog, and another person who doesn't appear to be interested in keeping the dog.

Cesco's problems are not going to be "cured" in a week, or even a month.  This will have to be a lifetime commitment that the entire family will have to endure.

Have you made an appointment at the vet yet?  Have you called the behaviorist?

I cannot stress enough how serious this situation is, and you need to be proactive NOW in dealing with it.

I apologize if this post is harsh, but at this point I am more worried about you and your family's health, safely and welfare than I am about hurting feelings.
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: zanie May 17, 2006, 12:46:17 PM
I am so sorry that you're having these issues!  Dell was a resource guarder as well and I can't tell you how many times Hubby has said "the dog or me". 

We have been through private training as well as several classes and intensive work with his issues.

As for your dad being bitten when Cesco was caught in the fence, that's unfair to judge him while he was hurting. 

Hang in there. 
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: hairprincessnyu May 17, 2006, 06:26:27 PM
You all are so wonderfull. I am going to the vet tomorrow and going to ask her a few questions. I have aleady started printing out articles Rebekkah and Red have sent me, they are lifesavers! I think I am going to head to the hospital tomorrow. I thought I would get feeling back in my middle finger by now, but it still feels like the whole thing is pins and needles and it is the size of a sausage. Has anyone had this happen before? Will the feeling come back soon?
I have started retraining Cesco already, I juat pray that when I leave for the summer my mom can keep it up. She is a real mushball, but when she saw Cesco attack her last night, she was crying in pain and fear for me! She has been really good today following the new rules I have learned about. I am really trying to follow NILIF. My dad still thinks Cesco is 'too dangerous" and really wants to get rid of him, so that makes me want to try harder to make everything ok! I don't know what I would do without the support of each and every one of you, I hope someday, I can be this helpfull to someone!!! Please keep your fingers crossed (and out of your dog's mouth) for me!!  ;)

I didn't realize that you weren't going to be around this summer to follow through on any training and behavior modification that needs to be done on Cesco.

IMO, it's not fair to leave this situation in the hands of one person that is afraid of the dog, and another person who doesn't appear to be interested in keeping the dog.

Cesco's problems are not going to be "cured" in a week, or even a month.  This will have to be a lifetime commitment that the entire family will have to endure.

Have you made an appointment at the vet yet?  Have you called the behaviorist?

I cannot stress enough how serious this situation is, and you need to be proactive NOW in dealing with it.

I apologize if this post is harsh, but at this point I am more worried about you and your family's health, safely and welfare than I am about hurting feelings.

Unfortunatly I am a poor college student, so I need to leave for the summer to work. I do not want to leave Cesco, as I am sure you would not want to leave your dogs. But, I don't really have a choice. I know this is a serious situation, trust me I do. My mother is not afraid of Cesco, but knows that if she gets bit in her right arm, it is a life threatening situation. She had massive cancer surgery 2 years ago, and her immune system is very weak as a result. Please do not assume that she does not want to help. She loves Cesco very, very much, and she is willing to do whatever it takes, as am I. My father, rightfully so, did not want Cesco around in the first place because my brother dropped him off to my mom when he was a year old, behaviour problems and all. My parents already had 3 dogs, and 2 cats, plus with my mom being sick, another large dog was a lot to handle. But out of the kindness of my mom's heart, she took Cesco in with open arms. Yes, I do have a vet's appointment at 4pm tomorrow afternoon, actually, and Rebekkah and Red were both kind enough to send me some excellent information from their behaviorists that has been more than helpfull. I am so lucky to have such wonderfull people in my life as my fellow BPO members. I am sorry if I have caused you to feel the need to be harsh, I hope this response has satisfied your concerns.
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: GreatDanz May 17, 2006, 08:22:45 PM
Unfortunatly I am a poor college student, so I need to leave for the summer to work. I do not want to leave Cesco, as I am sure you would not want to leave your dogs. But, I don't really have a choice. I know this is a serious situation, trust me I do. My mother is not afraid of Cesco, but knows that if she gets bit in her right arm, it is a life threatening situation. She had massive cancer surgery 2 years ago, and her immune system is very weak as a result. Please do not assume that she does not want to help. She loves Cesco very, very much, and she is willing to do whatever it takes, as am I. My father, rightfully so, did not want Cesco around in the first place because my brother dropped him off to my mom when he was a year old, behaviour problems and all. My parents already had 3 dogs, and 2 cats, plus with my mom being sick, another large dog was a lot to handle. But out of the kindness of my mom's heart, she took Cesco in with open arms. Yes, I do have a vet's appointment at 4pm tomorrow afternoon, actually, and Rebekkah and Red were both kind enough to send me some excellent information from their behaviorists that has been more than helpfull. I am so lucky to have such wonderfull people in my life as my fellow BPO members. I am sorry if I have caused you to feel the need to be harsh, I hope this response has satisfied your concerns.

Actually, I am more concerned than ever.  You're mom's life is in danger if this dog bites her, say that out loud to yourself a few times.

Belive me, I LOVE my boys more than life itself.  But if I were to be in your situation, that dog would have to be rehomed, either alone, or me with him. 

I have no doubt that you love Cesco, that is very evident in your post.  And I admire your wanting to help him, that is truly wonderful.  But it concerns me that your mom's health and possibly LIFE is at risk!

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: hairprincessnyu May 18, 2006, 12:29:56 PM
Anyway, Cesco's vet appt is today, keep your fingers crossed for me guys! I get to take him, my two cats, and my mom's yorkie all at once. This should be a fun trip! Lol
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: Gypsy Jazmine May 18, 2006, 12:57:54 PM
Anyway, Cesco's vet appt is today, keep your fingers crossed for me guys! I get to take him, my two cats, and my mom's yorkie all at once. This should be a fun trip! Lol
Yeah, good luck with that! :D lol!...Sounds like you'll have your hands full at the appointment!...Let us know what the vet says about Cesco! :)
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: doggylover May 18, 2006, 01:58:16 PM
Hang in there...this must be really hard on you.  We are all rooting for you!!
Ronda ;)
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: hairprincessnyu May 18, 2006, 10:06:36 PM
Allright, so Cesco had his second vet visit in two weeks today. They did his anal glands again, and said hhe needs to come in every two weeks to get them done. I talked to her about his behaviour and she explained to me why she is a strong believer in NILIF. She basically told me all the same things that I have learned from you all. She could have been reading directly from the article Rebekkah sent me! She gave me some really usefull information. SHe also said she has met with many different behaviourists, and the best program she believes by far is the NILIF. She said she wouldn't waste the money seeing one for Cesco, but instead try following that program first. She said she believes he is a really good dog, but he has just been spoiled, and needs to be retrained. So, I guess that is what we will do! Everyone has really been pitching in around the house. When my mom and I got home tonight from grocery shopping, my dad even had Cesco inside with him watching tv! He has never spent much time with Cesco, so we were both in shock! His response was, "since you both have decided to start treating Cesco like a dog instead of a super human, I have decided to participate." LOL. All in all, I think this has been a learning experience, and I am praying that with some hard work and dedication, this will work out! Again, thank you to everyone who has been so supportive, and so helpfull, it means the world to me...and Cesco  ;)
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: Kermit May 18, 2006, 10:21:20 PM
That is GREAT NEWS!!!!!! :D
YAY! I am so happy to hear that.

You be a good boy now, Cesco!!!! :-* :-* :-*

I wish you guys the best for sure! Keep us updated! I hope your hand is feeling better! Give that pooch a pat on the head from me! (but not until he sits first!) ;) ;D
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: smsmith May 19, 2006, 08:21:05 AM
His response was, "since you both have decided to start treating Cesco like a dog instead of a super human, I have decided to participate."

I think Father Knows Best.
: ours is quiet alpha
: ibenu October 13, 2006, 11:12:00 AM
Hope it all worked out:)