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Mixed Breeds => Mixed Breed Discussion => : maggieb May 19, 2006, 02:13:34 AM
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I'd love to hear more about them if anyone is knowledgeable. I'm specifically wondering if there is much difference (temperment or appearance) between a glodendoodle and a labradoodle. Maybe the hybrid is too new for any conclusions like that..
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I have read from dog trainers experiences that they can have temperment issues. But this is not based on my experience, just stuff I've read online. It seems like too much of a crap-shoot to me, you just never know what you will end up with as far as temperment.
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Doodle is a very over used word. I saw an ad in the newspaper for Labradoodles (lab mix mom and poodle mix dad). I would assume a labradoodle could have all or any of a lab's good and/or bad charactoristic s mixed with a poodles good and/or bad charactoristic s. Same with a golden doodle. I'm not sure if there is any set standard charactistics of any form of doodle yet.
Checking out both parents throughly would be your best bet. Bet I agree it is a crapshot, the same as if you got a puppy from a pound. I would probably head to the local pound because 1. I don't have an extra grand to spend on a dog right now. 2. If you want a mixed breed, you can get one who otherwise wouldn't have a home.
Disclaimer:
1. I have nothing against doodles. I am just skeptical of some breeders.
2. I also have nothing against mixed breeds, I have a big black one who I love to death.
3. I have nothing against breeders who are creating hybrids. I just wouldn't do it.
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My brother has a 3/4 poodle 1/4 golden generation B If that makes sense... Her name is Lola Daisy the #1 Superdog...and she looks like she came out of build a bear workshop
A great, intelligent, bright dogs... This animal has more energy than any other dog I have ever encountered and she eats everything LOL... sadly yesterday she pooped out a sock and threw up another one...
I spend most of my day with her LOL since I watch my nephew. I dont know if there is much consistency with them as a 'breed' yet but she isnt very large only 24 lbs at 6mths and her the poodle was a standard size one...
I think she is a interesting dog but WAY too much energy... she puts the lab and weimeraner to shame that my other family members have LOL
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I've also heard that they are extremely hyperactive. Although I have never personally met one to make my own judgement.
I'm not exactly a big fan of poodles though. I live with an aggressive, snotty toy poodle that I can't stand. So she has tainted my view on poodles entirely. LOL
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I'll second (or third?) the hyper thing... the Labradoodles I have met have been rather unruly and the owners looked like they were a bit frustrated with their "purchase"...
Paying that high $$$ and not knowing what you are going to get seems a bit backwards to me. With any mixed breed you are "gambling", no different with the doodles. But like someone else said, as long as you are going to take a chance, why not go down to the local shelter and adopt a dog who would otherwise be euthanized? :) (By the way- I love mixed breeds! We have... umm... 6 of them! ;))
But if you have your heart set on a doodle, it probably makes no difference whether you get a golden- or a labra-. I can't imagine that those dogs come with any type of guarantee. ??? But who knows. I know that around this area anyone who breeds dogs is out to make a profit and none too concerned about guaranteeing anything like health or temperament. You should see the classified section of our paper! People can't even spell the names of the dogs they are breeding!!! :D
Good luck and let us know what you learn! :)
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Personally, I wouldn't pay the prices of a good quality show dog, for one of mixed genitics.. And far too often a health guarantee worse than Petland's. Some of the cocker x poodle people and lab x poodle people have been trying for more than a decade to get towards some uniformity and breed standard..
But those aren't usually the breeders most people find.. Most of them seem to be in it for the money and have shoddy breedign practices like multiple litters on the ground always, and breeding their females every heat.
If you are set on a 'doodle' breed, petfinder has a lot for a price you can't beat. Makes up for the lack of a health guarantee.
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it's not possible to breed doodle to doodle so there is no way to have a breed standard
I get the "too expensive for a mutt" argument, but why can't you breed doodles to doodles? I believe it--I just don't get it. Can anybody explain it to me?
As for my two cents, I have seen and played with several doodles and they were all sweet. But then again, I see most dogs (like everyone else here) through rose-colored glasses.
Good luck with whatever you end up with!
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I'd love to hear more about them if anyone is knowledgeable. I'm specifically wondering if there is much difference (temperment or appearance) between a glodendoodle and a labradoodle. Maybe the hybrid is too new for any conclusions like that..
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sorry, but they are mutts not pure breed and if the status of a very expensive mutt keeps going , maybe ill start breeding poodles with????and ill be rich, a standard poodle is a great dog, do is the golden , why mix them up. ive been at breeding, showing the rhodesian ridgeback for over 20 years, and it took me a very long time to produce great ridgeback, knowing the pedigrees, all the bloodlines, to meet and exceeed the AKC standard. so i guess ill get a poodle and have ridge-a-roodles???? I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you bred a doodle to a doodle rather than becoming 'more pure' you end up with the genetics backtracking. The pups are going to be mainly very poodle like or very (whatever the other parent was) like. It will recombine enough that you will have mutts that resemble the pur breds again, which is why creating new breeds takes decades and more work than most people want tp put in.
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But there is no point breeding a doodle for the blind. They already use standard poodles for those with allergies.. and some groomers give a discount on grooming costs if it's a service dog. (a blind lady with a poodle came to my Mom's church last year and talked about her service dog.)
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Our neighbours have a 2 year old golden doodle and it is crazy hyper and jumpy. Bear cannot keep up with her as she bounces all over the place. Hyperactvity seems to be common with the doodle.
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LOL Laurelgrove... you are too funny! ;D
xoxo marianna
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I have had 2 "doodles" stay at my home. One was a Weimerdoodle that came for boarding. She did shed and NEVER stopped moving. Which makes total sense you get that when one mixes 2 high energy sporting breeds. However she was sweet but not to bright.
The other was a board and train Labradoodle around 4 months old. He was smart as a whip but his temperament was not sound. Before coming to my house he had already bite the families daughter severe enough it required a doctor visit. This type of temperament in Labradoodles is common according to groomers I have spoke to.
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You could always get a Cockachon which is apparently a bichon/ cocker. Personally makes me think it's a euphamisim for a dirty word..
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hello i noticed your question so i thought i would tell you what i've found , i dont own any of the 2 just a standard poodle but i groom the breeds alot ... they both seem to be hiper breeds . how ever i did notice that the lab doo seems to pick up on things faster . we struggle a little more with calming to gold doos . they both seem to have great personality. but i would say that a well trained gold doodle is my kind of dog . altough they start out harder a well trained gold doo has proved to steel my eye more than the lab doo.
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We have quite a few "oodles" come into work and I have to say that I much prefer the golden doodles to the labradoodles. Better looking (I like their terrier looking coats) and definitely not as hyper. Usually a bit smaller too, but not always.
We have one golden doodle that I would totally consider getting. He is soooooo laid back, he def. takes after a golden's personality. And he is the best looking designer dog I think I've ever seen. Big, he's at least 30in at the shoulder, probably a bit bigger, and he "smiles" for you.........lo l.
Just a side thought. We also have a regular pup that comes in, she's a dachshund/yorkie mix. So i was wondering, would she be considered a dorkie?. ::)
Sorry, I'm a bit of a dorkie myself. ;D
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We have 3 golden doodles in our therapy dog group and they are all very bright and well mannered. Great temperments. Hyper? Not really, they like to play but not more hyper than any of the other dogs in the group. But then again, they are very well trained since they are therapy dogs. I guess they can be like any breed and seem hyper if they are not socialized and trained often.
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I rescued Butter as a Goldendoodle, but he turned out to be more like a lab with much short fur. I am not sure if he is hyper or not, but he is the most friendly dog I have ever seen. When a visitor comes, he is very happy for the first 5 minutes or so, if not controlled, he may jump onto the visitor if they are too happy or too scared. Otherwise, he'd just sniff and lean on the person. But after 5 minutes, he usually calms down and lies down at the feet of the visitor. An incident happened today: a client came through the back door by himself(my wife is a acupuncturist), Mr. Butter rushed down to meet the guy, and jumped onto the guy several times, he fell down by himself to avoid Butter. I am not sure if Butter was too excited or not happy about the intruder...
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I have two labradoodles, am on many doodle forums, and run my own doodle website. From my experience they are fairly similar with slight differences based on the differences between goldens and labs. I think the goldendoodles (GD's) tend to shed less in the first generation than labradoodles in the first generation (but my evidence is anecdotal). GD's may be a little more mouthy as far as wanting to carry things in their mouth, etc. And aren't golden retrievers a bit more energetic than labs in general?
Adina
www.DoodleKisses.com (http://www.DoodleKisses.com)
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To greek4...anoth er thing for everyone to consider is that just like in the "pure breed" world there are both good and bad breeders. Many doodle breeders do OFA or PennHIP testing as well as CERF and vwd clearances and genetic testing on their breeding dogs. Very common actually. But you have to look to find those breeders.
Adina
www.DoodleKisses.com (http://www.DoodleKisses.com)
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I've also heard that they are extremely hyperactive. Although I have never personally met one to make my own judgement.
SOME can be, just like SOME poodles and goldens and labs can be. I have two labradoodles. One is very low energy -- he'll plop over to rest faster than my 13 y.o. border collie and he's TWO! The other is 3 y.o. and has far more spunk/energy--yet NEITHER of them bounce off the walls. They can go days without walks and be fine, energy/annoyance wise =) A lot is training, a lot is good breeding (meaning breeders who breed for a mellow temperament).
Adina
www.DoodleKisses.com (http://www.DoodleKisses.com)
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You are going to come across every problem that you would with any other mixed breed. You are taking two totally different dogs and attempting to create something non shed. They certainly are not hypo allergenic like all the bybs claim, and the chances of them being non shed is 50% because you are combining a non shed breed with a highly shedding breed. There is no way to gurantee temperment either because neither dogs will be from champion tested lines....
A good breeder (and I know pure breed breeders will have issue with my calling any mutt breeder "good" but bear with me) will NEVER claim a first generation (even a second generation F1b) is hypo-allergenic. The ones who do claim such things don't even know anything about the dogs they are breeding. A good breeder will not sell a first generation doodle to a very allergic person because they don't want to chance a rehome.
And while you can't guarantee temperament, a good breeder will spend time with the litter and be able to evaluate each pup's temperament and screen buyers and make good matches between pups and families. I realize you can't predict everything about a puppy from birth. BUT both of my labradoodles puppy personalities reflected their current personalities QUITE well. Rosco, my mellow therapy dog, was a mellow pup. Thule, was not and is still more energy than Rosco. So careful matching of personalities and buyer screenings help. And many good doodle breeders breed dogs with an even keel, mellow personality for this purpose.
My breeder had all her breeding dogs hip cleared, eye cleared and more to ensure healthy dogs before breeding. There are lots of doodle breeders who get all these clearances on their breeding stock and will NOT breed a dog with bad hips, eyes, or other conditions that can be passed on to the litter. Sure BYB's don't...but BYB's don't do much that is good.