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BPO Breeding Forum => Breeding Questions & Information => : Jen June 14, 2005, 09:33:05 AM
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Hi
I want to let Thunder stud a litter with a respected breed,( don't have one particular in mind yet) and I have never done anything like that before so I was looking for advise and steps to take to ensure a good out come. Your advise is welcome. I have attached some pics of my boy, he is an all white Pyr and was hoping to find an all white female.
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OMG big typo! Breed should breeder! Sorry
Hi
I want to let Thunder stud a litter with a respected breeder,( don't have one particular in mind yet) and I have never done anything like that before so I was looking for advise and steps to take to ensure a good out come. Your advise is welcome. I have attached some pics of my boy, he is an all white Pyr and was hoping to find an all white female.
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Most think you get the best results by not breeding two all whites. They say it is best to breed an all white with a dog with markings.
Lisa
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Hum..........w onder why? Do you know if there is a specific reason?
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It is my understanding that when you breed two pure white pyrs you can get a loss of pigmentation.
Lisa
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AH yes the geneology factor! Are you a breeder? I really want to learn more. I am looking into the OFA certs with our vet. What else should I do?
It is my understanding that when you breed two pure white pyrs you can get a loss of pigmentation.
Lisa
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If you are going to stuf Thunder out I would recommend finding a female that has been hip and joint certified, as well as a clean bill of health from a vet for any genetic problems. Our big guys can have so many problems and it would save everyone involved with the future pups the grief from any of these problems. Good luck in finding a great mate for him, he is so beautiful.
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Good luck in finding a breeder. Out of curoisity, why are you going to fix him? Is the breeding just to have one of his pups or for another reason?
I am just asking becasue we have thought of breeding Bear in the past, and have thought of fixing him too buthave decided against both. I would love a baby of his but since we have no plans of showing him the line would look odd without a CH. in front of his name.
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OK first of all thank you for you wonderful comments about Thunders looks! Now, one of the reasons Jabaer is that it's healthy to have them fixed but before I do that I want to have him breed because of a few reasons: Pyrs are LSG's not just show dogs and Thunders's LSG insticts are super strong, also I feel he is sooooooooooooo ooo beatiful and smart that he could definatly be CH if I had the time and lifestyle to do that. I am not looking for money I actually am sure I will lose money because I will do full certs but only stud one time. I want to donate an off spring to Neourlogical service dog group. Pyrs make execellent alert dogs for Parkinson's and Seizures, Strokes and so on.. (neoro stuff) My family has been stricken with several of these neoro diseases and I am very active in fight to find a cure, in the meantime they need service dogs, again a Pyr can have an uncanny sense of neoro signals and can alert the person and push them down into a chair for example. Thunder is good like that, if my daughter has a fever he will not leave her, not even for a treat! She has had feveral seizure and been hospitalized for it before we had got Thunder. Anyway that's why. They do the service training close to my home so I could monitor the pups progress and if it didn't work out I would certainly take the puppy back and keep him or her forever.
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No I am not a breeder, would love to be one day. I feel I should wait until I know alot more about the breed and breeding. I want to make sure that I have something outstanding to add to the quality of the breed. I was told by a show breeder that they never breed two all whites. I was just passing on the information I was told. Good luck with your guy. If you find out any different information I would love to hear it. I want to spend the next two/three years learning everything I can about the breed, and starting to show Dixie.
Lisa
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What a great reason to breed. I wish you the best of luck. I have ordered a few books from amazon on breeding. I will let you know if I find a good one with useful information.
Lisa
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I put your 2 whites might equal loss of pigment to my Pyr Group. They jumped all over it...not true, according that site. Just thought I would share. May I ask if you already know what you would like to do, why haven't you started showing? Also if you are serious about the breed I am surprised you are not part of that Pyr group. If you would like I will get you the info to become a member I for one would love to have you there.
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I did see a post on another board I am on. I have joined 8 pyr boards in the last few months. As far as showing I plan to show Dixie, she is now 5 months. I would love to show Sugar Bear but I had him fixed at 6 months. We are in a very small town, and I am looking for a show judge to take a look at her and let me know what they think. I should be able to have that done this month. After that is done I have to find a trainer to teach me how to show. I hope to be able to show her this fall, as most show in my general area are in November due to the summer heat. All of this is still very much in the planning stage. My heart would love to breed Dixie but I am going to make sure I am doing the best thing for her and any puppies. That means I have tons to learn. It would be great to have someone else in the process of learning to breed to share info with.
Lisa
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I ask myself everyday, why I am thinking about showing and breeding. It all comes down to what a great addition to my life my babies have been. First Rosie for 9 1/2 years, then Sugar Bear and Dixie. They have each shown me that they can take a good life and make it great, and this is something I would love to share with other families. Sappy I know but it is what I feel. But I do know that I have alot to learn before it can be more than just a nice daydream.
Lisa
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i'm kinda funny about breeding and please don't take this the wrong way but i think only dogs that have been health tested and are of good tempermant should be bred and the new pups should have homes waiting for them ,i just feel so many people breed for the wrong reasons and we have so many pups and dogs in shelters and rescue....if i were you i would go to a dog show and ask breeders alot of ???good luck let us know...
ann
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Lisa,
Yes I do ask myself that everyday too. And what a day dream! They are a dreamy breed aren't they! I am glad you are on that other site, I haven't seen posts from you there I guess you are in the lurking stage. I have never been the lurking type, I am too opinionated it would be too hard to restrain myself! ;) Yes I am starting the process as well, I don't like the show dog scene after adopting an ex-show girl. There is such an UGLY side to it, oh I didn't like what I learned AT ALL!
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Yes of course I would do OFA's and all the responsible health checks and gaurantees. I am very active with another site that have rescue chairs and fosters and breeders and vets and I have learned so much! I don't make a move without triple checking!!! I have adopted an x show dog and I have ISSUES with some of the common practices among show dog owners. BELEIVE ME I won't take caution the wrong way, I appreciate it!
i'm kinda funny about breeding and please don't take this the wrong way but i think only dogs that have been health tested and are of good tempermant should be bred and the new pups should have homes waiting for them ,i just feel so many people breed for the wrong reasons and we have so many pups and dogs in shelters and rescue....if i were you i would go to a dog show and ask breeders alot of ???good luck let us know...
ann
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I may find the same thing about the shows, that is why I am taking it slow. The most important thing for me is to make sure my two babies are happy. I want to be sure that we as a family have fun doing or we will just find somethig else to do. I could never have a kennel show dog, that was not a full member of the family. For me my fur-babies are my kids, and that is just the way I like it.
I do post on the other board some, most of the time it is questions.
Lisa
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If you want I will tell you privately what I have found. I don't want to get sued for posting it. But I can tell you it will be over my dead body that one of my fur babies enters a buiding with a show going on, after what I have learned! This is where I lose interest in breeding when the CH factor comes into play. I am totally in to OFA and all health checks but I get sick after adopting an x-show dog knowing what she has been through and learning what common practices intail. It is subject to great debate and I have a firm stand on which side of the debate I am on. I know I am going to have a problem finding a breeder I approve!
Jen
I may find the same thing about the shows, that is why I am taking it slow. The most important thing for me is to make sure my two babies are happy. I want to be sure that we as a family have fun doing or we will just find somethig else to do. I could never have a kennel show dog, that was not a full member of the family. For me my fur-babies are my kids, and that is just the way I like it.
I do post on the other board some, most of the time it is questions.
Lisa
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I just e-mailed you Jen.
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This is what I have read in " The New Complete Great Pyrenees"
book by Paul Strang.
"When all-white dogs are mated to all-white bitches, there is a
grave danger that pigmentation will breakdown. If this is carried
for several generations, missing pigment is almost a certainty. In
addition, one approaches the problem of albinism,including deafness
and impaired vision. Accordingly, only the most knowledgeable
breeder who is familiar with the markings and pigmentation of all
the dogs on both sides of the pedigree for at least three
generations will attempt to breed two pure-white Pyrenees"
Lisa
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AH yes the geneology factor! Are you a breeder? I really want to learn more. I am looking into the OFA certs with our vet. What else should I do?
It is my understanding that when you breed two pure white pyrs you can get a loss of pigmentation. Â
Lisa
that's what i was looking to hear, also, thunders pedigree and his hip/elbow ofa or pre limb???
breed to make better dogs,,,,,,,,,,,not more
my motto
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Oh yes, this post started off quite a trip for Thunders Mom. She now does not have any plans breed him and has had him fixed. She can now tell you the pedigree history of most of the top Great Pyrenees in the country. She has a great mentor and is learning from some of the best people in Pyrs. We share links several time a week on different show and or Pyr sites.
Lisa
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VolvoRottie
Me thinks you spent too much time on your rant and not enough keeping up with the posts.
You made good points about breeding in general. Please don't aim at one individual.
THoM
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Did I miss something? This was from over a year ago. Jenn and I have both learned tons since then. Dixie is showing now and I have my second show pup on the way. Yes when we first get started it is in daydreams. We were just looking for other to share our excitement and give up tips to get where we need to go.
Lisa
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You are right Lisa...this thread is very old.
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I put your 2 whites might equal loss of pigment to my Pyr Group. They jumped all over it...not true, according that site. Just thought I would share. May I ask if you already know what you would like to do, why haven't you started showing? Also if you are serious about the breed I am surprised you are not part of that Pyr group. If you would like I will get you the info to become a member I for one would love to have you there.
I know with my bullies, breeding two whites can cause loss of pigments.. and this makes their noses and feet VERY pink and the lips even lose color... Which is why most bull terrier breeders will breed white to colored, or white with marking to colored... a few breeders still do white on white, but its when they have GREAT lines... i dont know if this is true with pyrs. but it IS in the bull terriers...