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Mastiffs => American Mastiff Discussions & Pictures => : chrisnickle July 06, 2005, 01:42:16 AM
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Aloha,
My girlfriend and I are finally ready to have an addition to our family of three. (Also have a Black Lab). We Live in Vancouver, BC right now but in 3 weeks time we are moving back to Burlington, Ontario. I have been doing as much research as possible on the internet and I believe we have decided on an American Mastiff (Apricot if thats right) We have heard nothing but good things about the mastiff breed especially the OEM and the AM also the attempt at the Maso but the AM just fits more into our taste. We are still unsure whether to get a female or a male. So any tips would be greatly appreciated! Now it looks as though the Flying W Farms in Ohio seems to be the only breeder that pops up anywhere or maybe the only breeder that is credible. Does anyone have any information on that breeder or do you know of any breeders in Ontario Canada.
Any Information would be appreciated as we are trying to educate ourselves in every aspect of being an Mastiff owner.
I believe if it works the attached picture is of our Beautiful Boy TAJ, he is 18 months old now and still growing, but we think he will top out at 80 lbs. He is in dire needs of a little brother or sister!
Mahalo,
Chris Nickle
chris_nickle@hotmail.com
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If you are going to be living in Ontario, you want to be very careful what sort of dog you select.
An all encompassing "pit bull" ban is going into effect there this fall, and this law can apply to any short haired muscular breed of dog.
Here is where to start in looking for an "American Mastiff" if that's what you really want.
http://www.american-mastiff.com/Index.htm
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I compliment your choice in dog, Chris, and I suspect that you'll be very happy! We adopted an AM as well (male brindle) and have been absolutely thrilled with the new addition to our family! We've never had a dog that was easier to train or was housebroken faster than our AM Leon!
For breeders, several of them post on a Yahoo message board; just join it, ask as many questions as you like, and see if they can help you out:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericanMastiffs/messages
Good luck!
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Hi .... I have an American Mastiff names Goliath and we are totaly happy with him. He is now 9 months old and 140 lbs. We got him from FlyingWFarms but there are several good breeders. Here are a few to get you started.
http://www.mysticamericanmastiff.com/
http://www.flyingwfarms.com/
http://www.orionmastiff.com/
http://www.deepwoodmastiffs.com/
Also we have a discussion board at Yahoo tht a number of breeders are active at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmericanMastiffs/ you are welcome to join and ask all the questions you want. I have had great luck there.
Matthew, Dylan and Goliath
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When you say 'American' Mastiff, are you labeling it so because it's bred here in the US or because you are looking to purchase the Anatolian Shepherd/English Mastiff cross? Â
If you are considering the AM (Anatolian Shepherd/English Mastiff), you might want to research a little harder. This breed, not even AKC recognized yet, is in it's infancy.Â
Please consider this, the Anatolian Shepherd is bred for it's aggressive nature. They are popular police dogs, very popular guard dogs. They are also popular herd dogs ( could be wrong about that last point, but I remember reading it somewhere). If you are interested in reading more about the AM (AS/EM mix) check out the following board and do a search: www DOT mastiffWEB DOT com
Good Luck with what ever direction you take. THERE IS NOTHING BETTER THAN A TRUE OLD ENGLISH MASTIFF!!!
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Ok stupid question...... . What's the difference between an American Mastiff and an English Mastiff? I've been researching the Mastiff breed, because I LOVE their looks temperment, the whole package. I've never heard of an American Mastiff before. Are they a new breed? Whenever I do a search for Mastiffs I come up with only the English Mastiffs..... can anyone help answer the stupid question of the day? lol
Big thanks in advance!
Chris I wish you best of luck in your search! I wish I could be of more help. Ask a Great Dane question and I'd probably know, but I'm a little new to the Mastiff breed. lol
Andi
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Your American Mastiff is a mix of Anatolian Shepherd and English Mastiff, an unregistered bred in it's infancy of development.  www DOT mastiffWEB DOT com will give you a wealth of information on both breeds. Just do a general search. Â
The English Mastiff, or Old English Mastiff is the correct and true form of the Mastiff. From there, you have your BullMastiff, Boerboel (African Mastiff), Cane Corse and Neapolitan (both Italian Mastiffs), Tibetan Mastiff, and the list goes on.Â
Should you have any other questions, check out www DOT mastiff DOT org, the National Mastiff Club of America. It will give you a ton of information.Â
Sorry, if my views aren't appreciated. I was just asking if these AM's were true American Mastiffs (mixes) or English Mastiffs bred right here in the US.
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I didn't know all that..Ty for the info.! :) & facts are always welcomed here at B.P.'s as are suggestions or questions...Th is is a friendly site & all "views" :) are welcomed here so long as stated & debated in a mature fashion!...P.S., I love your dog! ;D
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Hi .... I have an American Mastiff names Goliath and we are totaly happy with him. He is now 9 months old and 140 lbs. We got him from FlyingWFarms but there are several good breeders. Here are a few to get you started.
Also we have a discussion board at Yahoo tht a number of breeders are active at *removed linked* you are welcome to join and ask all the questions you want. I have had great luck there.
Matthew, Dylan and Goliath
I couldn't be happier that your boy Goliath has turned out happy and a wonderful family pet. But please ask that folks Research the breed first and foremost before giving props to your breeder. Give them ALL the information they need to make their own decisions. That means, that the AM is a mix and unregisterable .  That it DOES Drool the same way an English Mastiff does.Â
Also, give them links to not only your AM breeder but to Infodog DOT com (a site to locate local Confirmation shows to view these dogs up close) and Mastiff Club of America, www DOT mastiff DOT org.Â
Let folks know their IS a HUGE difference between an American Mastiff (Anatolian Shepherd/English Mastiff mix) and the true form, English Mastiff.Â
Loving your breed is about giving out ALL the information. Allowing folks to decide for them selves. It's wonderful you love your boy, and it's obvious. AWESOME, but in recent years, there have been temperament issues with the AM.Â
Good and Goliath is a beautiful brindle boy. Partial to brindles myself.. ;)
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Peace KBMasiffs, peace. Your last response was rather smug and we like to keep the conversation amnicable here.
More than likely Andi's post was being typed at the same time as yours, so it was posted immediately after, without Andi having the benefit of reading your first reponse. Happens quite frequently in the forum-setting.
A lot of us have mutts here, there's nothing wrong with them.
Chris Nickel, I wish you luck in the search for your new dreampuppy. A new addition to the family is always a delight. Kudos to you as well for doing your research.
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Peace KBMasiffs, peace. Your last response was rather smug and we like to keep the conversation amnicable here.
More than likely Andi's post was being typed at the same time as yours, so it was posted immediately after, without Andi having the benefit of reading your first reponse. Happens quite frequently in the forum-setting.
A lot of us have mutts here, there's nothing wrong with them.
Chris Nickel, I wish you luck in the search for your new dreampuppy. A new addition to the family is always a delight. Kudos to you as well for doing your research.
:-[ My sincerest apologies. It was that Andi was typing at the same time I was correcting my response. I didn't re-read before posting and it wasn't till it showed up that I read it. My apologies!!!
I in now way ment to be rude. Or crass. I did edit my post. Thank you Leah..
As for my baby girl, Meme. She's no long with me. I was forced out of my home unexpectedly and had to place her and her sister. I was able to keep their father, Atlas and my older girl, Kacie. Who, btw, ;) is a mutt. lol
Thanks for this board... I just found you guys!!!
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The AM vs OEM discussions have a habit of getting out of hand. I think as long as you do some research and pick a dog that fits your family, then you should be alright.
I have never had an AM, but I do have an OEM so my vote sways to OEM.
To everyone their own.
I also have a Newf/Rott mix, fondly called a Newfweiler. He is the best dog in the world (according to me). Maia is a wonderful dog but being of the bully breed, she has slightly more guarding tendency, which I wasn't used to.
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Sometimes it's absolutely **shocking** how much misinformation there is about AMs -- or the desperate measure certain OEM owners will stoop to, in order to malign a breed they're unfamiliar with.
AMs are bred in the States, have been around for about 20-years, and were started by experienced OEM breeders -- to correct certain problems that many OEMs have: excessive drool, joint problems, shorter lifespans, etc. AMs tend to live pretty long for such a large breed; 12+ years (or even 15-years) aren't uncommon, and they have a tighter mouth to avoid those slobber woes.
One of the factors that led **my** family to deciding that an AM -- rather than an OEM -- was the right choice for my household was certainly the positive health improvements.. . but just as important was the care & kindness exhibited by the breeders. They were screening me as much as I was screening them! They've even set up an online forum to answer all our AM questions, from birth through the inevitable. And that was very important to us.
My AM -- Leon -- just turned 30-weeks today, and has been even BETTER than we expected! In addition to him having perfect health, he was housebroken at just 10-weeks, doesn't drool (except during excessive heat, or right after attacking the water bowl!), and has the size you'd associate with a traditional OEM (he's pushing 120-pounds now, is expected to reach 180-pounds at one year, and should max-out at around 220 - 260). I couldn't be more pleased!
On top of that, the AM breeders have helped us stay in touch with other AM owners from around the country, to consult with, share stories, etc. It's great! And out of the numerous AM owners I know, I've NEVER met someone who had an aggression problem -- or had to return their puppy because of health problems. NEVER. EVER. Furthermore, I'm deeply skeptical of any AM-bashing OEM booster who has a distant friend with something critical to say -- particularly when they won't even name which AM breeder they went to! Sounds a bit too self-serving -- and since I know FAR more AM breeders, AM dogs, etc. than this other party -- and since those "problems" just haven't come up -- it makes me question their motives.
I love OEMs, along with loving AMs; OEMs are beautiful, wonderful dogs. It's just a shame that certain OEM boosters would show such bizarre animosity towards such a similar breed...
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AMs are bred in the States, have been around for about 20-years, and were started by experienced OEM breeders -- to correct certain problems that many OEMs have: excessive drool, joint problems, shorter lifespans, etc. AMs tend to live pretty long for such a large breed; 12+ years (or even 15-years) aren't uncommon, and they have a tighter mouth to avoid those slobber woes.
As for the health issues, I wouldn't know. The drooling, not true. They drool just as much as a true English Mastiff. I've heard it straight from AM owners themselves.
I did not start out to bash the AM.. I just ask that folks offer up ALL the information, especially that AM's are a mix and unregisterable and they drool.
I'm glad your puppy is working out for you. As I'm happy that Goliath is an amazing puppy. I couldn't be happier that folks have found the right dog for their family. But having experienced both breeds, personally and in rescue. I'm only stating facts. Not something passed along to me by way of the grapevine.
I merely want folks to understand the difference. Then make an educated decision, nothing more. Frankly, I could care less which dog they chose. The less the English Mastiff is chosen as a pet, the less likely it is to become popular.
Believe it or not, I get that. So.. by all means, chose the AM over the EM. I just feel it's appropriate to GIVE OUT ALL the information, not just one side of it. These dogs, regardless of choice, AM or EM, are not for everyone!
Furthermore, I'm deeply skeptical of any AM-bashing OEM booster who has a distant friend with something critical to say -- particularly when they won't even name which AM breeder they went to!
I'm sorry, I have absolutely NO idea what you speak of here. I have no distant friend who has ever owned an AM. So.. Unless you know something I don't, you have me here.
it makes me question their motives.
My motives are simple. Simply stated, give them ALL the information. ALL the potential for this and that, health wise especially. Also, since it is a mix, give them an EM breeder to chat with about the differences. Allow them to decide for them selves. I couldn't make it any plainer.
I have absolutely no animosity towards any dog. Regardless of breed. It is and should always be ALL about education. The WHOLE of it, not just one half.
For those with AM's with amazing temperaments and great health. AWESOME, I couldn't be happier for you! These dogs deserve to be happy and loved. So.. Please do not think I'm bashing, I merely mean to offer up ALL available information.
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K guys, we all have the right to our views & opinions so long as we keep it friendly here...I just want to add that all of the breeds we know & love today are crosses of the origional "root dogs"...I would assume that perfecting any new breed involves alot of trial & error...mistak es & triumphs...Yes, the AM might be in it's infancy so far as breeding goes but so was the "long haired" St. early in the last century as the smooth coated St. was in danger of extinction due to week genetics & the Great Pyrenees & Newfoundland were crossed with the St. in order to save the breed in the late 1800's...I am sure there was some trial & error there & the "long haired" St. wasn't recognized until later...All breeds have to start somewhere with a cross between exisiting breeds.
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where is marit when you need her?
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i think...people should stop writing in this topic. this is not how BPOers act.
great points everyone.....n ow, lets help this person find a breeder! they can meet the breeder, meet the dogs, maybe get one, maybe not.....it's not up to you.
they asked for some help, and you have turned this into a pissing contest, really not having much to do with their question.
stop please.
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i think...people should stop writing in this topic. this is not how BPOers act.
great points everyone.....n ow, lets help this person find a breeder! they can meet the breeder, meet the dogs, maybe get one, maybe not.....it's not up to you.Â
they asked for some help, and you have turned this into a pissing contest, really not having much to do with their question.
stop please.
Well said Nicks!...I agree that when someone asks for help that is what we should do...Now, does anyone know of a good AM breeder to answer to origional poster's inquiry? :)
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no i dont LMAO
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Thanks Nicker,
This thread was unravveling.
Let's help them find a DOG!
John
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phew - glad it is coming to an end this whole thread was stressing me out!!!*popping another valium* :P
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This is why I stayed out of this thread. I would've said bad things :-X
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Free speech is always welcome here on BPO as is freedom to feel safe within the confines of this board. We are here to talk and support one another in an accepting place where fear or retaliation is not condoned under any circumstances.
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AM's do indeed drool, however it is at the times that I expected it (when hot or after eating) and it is a lot less then I have experienced with OEM's (in my dogs case...). I love OEM's, having grown up with them in my neighborhood as a youngster. As far as I am concerned the Anatolian blood is a benefit, in terms of being slightly leaner and a "possible" health improvement. I think that being in the AKC is a good thing if you are looking to be in dog shows, however I have seen MANY "AKC papered" dogs that were ...... unsound ..... in the least. I would suggest that KBMASTIFFS is correct in that you should research heavily and carefully to determine if this is the dog for you. OEM's, AM's, and all other XL size dogs are not for beginners and have a high maintenance factor. I have been told that there have been behavorial issues with some AM's ... but there have also been behavioral issues with every other dog on the planet. I believe that how you train and treat you dog will have more of an impact on the personality then anything else.
I did research AM's prior to getting Goliath and I have read MANY MANY things said in mastiffweb.com about them. Most have not been very nice or even well thought out (half the time it looks like a witch-hunt to me). As far as there being one true mastiff ..... I can only say that in my opinion - all dogs are essentially mutts. We have bred them from wolves for centuries for particular traits and it is up to you to pick the dog that has the traits you find must appealing. It is possible that every AM I have met (about a dozen now) have been an exception to the rule for the "breed" and are great dogs in spite of their lineage ... but I doubt it. My family and I would not give up our "BIG BABY" and maybe you will find the same happiness with whatever breed you chose.
BTW - KBMastiffs ..... Give your gorgous puppies a big pat for me (gotta love brindles....)
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Against my better judgement (having fought these wars before) I will give it a try. I am an American Mastiff Breeder and am a member of the American Mastiff Breed Council Executive Committee.
There are approx 12 authorized breeders of AM's. All of these breedrs have been investigated and have subscribed to the principles and ethics of the AMBC. All of these breeders use the same standard Spay/Neuter agreement and offer the same guarantee. These are basically:
1 year on congenital defects
2 years on hips and joints
Lifetime on behavior.
THis means that all AM breeders are contractually bound to take back any dog that has a beavior problem beyond the desire of the owner to deal with. We have no Rescue because of this and in the 7 years I have been raising these dogs I have not known of any that have been returned because of behavioral issues.
It is semantically incorrect to state that they are unregistered, we use the ConKC as a central registry of all breeding dogs. It is true that they are unrecognized by the AKC. This is deliberate on our parts for a number of reasons. THe primary being we do not breed to a physical standard. We breed our dogs to the best, healthiest family companion that we can breed with the least amount of drool. We have no congenital eye problems, thyroid problems (that I am aware of) and a very low (less that 1 %) incidence of noticable dysplasia. If you have any additional questions I will try to answer them
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Against my better judgement (having fought these wars before) I will give it a try. I am an American Mastiff Breeder and am a member of the American Mastiff Breed Council Executive Committee.
There are approx 12 authorized breeders of AM's. All of these breedrs have been investigated and have subscribed to the principles and ethics of the AMBC. All of these breeders use the same standard Spay/Neuter agreement and offer the same guarantee. These are basically:
1 year on congenital defects
2 years on hips and joints
Lifetime on behavior.
THis means that all AM breeders are contractually bound to take back any dog that has a beavior problem beyond the desire of the owner to deal with. We have no Rescue because of this and in the 7 years I have been raising these dogs I have not known of any that have been returned because of behavioral issues.
It is semantically incorrect to state that they are unregistered, we use the ConKC as a central registry of all breeding dogs. It is true that they are unrecognized by the AKC. This is deliberate on our parts for a number of reasons. THe primary being we do not breed to a physical standard. We breed our dogs to the best, healthiest family companion that we can breed with the least amount of drool. We have no congenital eye problems, thyroid problems (that I am aware of) and a very low (less that 1 %) incidence of noticable dysplasia. If you have any additional questions I will try to answer them
Wow, do any Am Mastiffs come in all black?
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I really want to know if AM Mastiffs come in all black!??
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I have been looking into this mixed breed(not that I wanted one)someone else asked about them so I've been looking into them to see if the people breeding are trying to do something good or just make money.
The problem I have is most of the sites I looked at stated that this breed is free of hip problems.Yet I find no American Mastiffs on the OFA site(there are ladradoodles there but
no AM Mastiffs).This looks bad to me as breeders should not advertize what they can not prove.You can not tell a dog has hip problems unless you test for it and put it out to the public to see.
I hope to start seeing them on the ofa site soon.
Donna
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No, AM's do not come in all black. The black dog in the picture is not an AM but is a Neo Mix that was rescued by an AM owner.
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I have been looking into this mixed breed(not that I wanted one)someone else asked about them so I've been looking into them to see if the people breeding are trying to do something good or just make money.
The problem I have is most of the sites I looked at stated that this breed is free of hip problems.Yet I find no American Mastiffs on the OFA site(there are ladradoodles there but
no AM Mastiffs).This looks bad to me as breeders should not advertize what they can not prove.You can not tell a dog has hip problems unless you test for it and put it out to the public to see.
I hope to start seeing them on the ofa site soon.
Donna
Donna,
I can only speak for myself.
Dysplasia generally appears by x ray or symptomaticall y by the time that a dog reaches 24 months. All of my breeding dogs are x-rayed before they start breeding at a minimum of three years. Most of us have not gone the OFA route because the incidence of these conditions in our dogs is so low. It is like why test for thyroid problems if in 5 generations of a true breeding dog you don't have any cases. Now I am going to be a little pedantic, a mix is the first generation result of the breeding of two separate breeds. AM's have not been bred with anything other than other AM's for 7 generation that I know of. They are the result of a breeding program that crossed two breeds with the goal of creating a new one. Just like OEM's were after WWII and WWI. Just as the original Rottweiler or Rhodesian Ridgeback were in Germany and South Africa. AKC recognition does not a breed make. AM's have beed stabilized and we are being extraordinaril y careful with bloodline to obtain and retain the maximum genetic diversity. I pose a challenge to all "purebred" dog owners to look at the history of your breed in detail (ain't the Internet grand) and you would be surprised at how many of these breeds were "mutts" or "mixes" within the lifespan of many of us. Many more within the past hundred years. The Rhodesian is a very good study as is the OEM. Look at pictures of the "Mastiff" of yesteryear and compare them to today.
Thanks for listening
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No, AM's do not come in all black. The black dog in the picture is not an AM but is a Neo Mix that was rescued by an AM owner.
What Picture?
The picture above looks like a big cat.
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There again people can say the lines are clear of hip problems but there is not proof.If you x-ray why not send them in.Both the breeds that your dogs come from have hip problems.
I still think the breeders should not sugar coat and tell lies.Prove the lines are free of this and post it for the public to see.This is deseving to the general public who blindly believe what the breeder says.These are the people who get hurt.
Still looking for them on the OFA site.
Donna
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This is the picture I meant to attach.
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This is the picture I meant to attach.
The one on the left looks like my Maia.
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This is the picture I meant to attach.
call the breeder of your dog, go to the am club for info. check pedigrees for ofa of letters from vet if pre limbs were done. also,, have your dog ex rayed for H/D and E/D before even thinking of breeding.
our tigre had E/D in one elbow and was imediatly spade.
a mastiff also,
she was a fila :'(
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I have to agree- many of these mixes claims health this or temp that but dont prove it - yet consistanly produce pets for sale.
I help with the 1st Molosser site on the net and the founder/expert happens to be a Old English Breeder from Norway.
Biggest Gripe is what makes a breed? a breed vs a mutt is the closing of the stud book - meaning if it is true that the AM is around for 20 yrs than they should not be doing F! first generation crosses between OM and ASD.
Since they are still MIXING 2 Purebred dogs from 2 different Breeds they are indeed Mongrels and we all know MOngrels should eb adopted and saved NOT bred.
In regards to OFA PH GDC OVC their is NO Proof that the AMÂ Mongrels are healthier than each counter part.....used to breed...
Temp - Temp can not be tracked if F1 generations are still being crossed.
Because you are taking 2 different Temps and mixing them some will carry the temps -characters of both breeds - some each breed - thus NO breed set temp yet.
It takes a Min of 3 generations to make a breed and heh they should be on the 10th by now.
Heh my own brother paid $500 for a Schnoodle froma PET STORE .
He wont do it again after I went ape s---. But he wont give up the love of his life named what?Schoodles half poodle half schnauzer..
So to the people that love these Mutts all power to ya. I miss my lab mix Snoopy with all my heart. - But would never condone buying a mutt vs rescueing one.
Sorry had no time for a intro yet will do it next but saw this topic first
and since I get emails all the time asking me to help them get thier Mutts on to my friends site it gets tiresome.
Jeannine D ps I dont spell perfectly
Pic if comes up is Smoopy adopted North Show Animal League 1992
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The "Stud" book is closed. There are no first generation crosses of OEM with ASD being produced and we are in the 9th generation. IF you are seeing advertised American Mastiffs that are first generation please let me know. THey are not Flying W AMerican Mastiffs and they are not recognized by the AMBC. My health claims are backed up by my warranty which is the same warranty that all of the recognized breeders use. My adopters seem to find this satisfactory and I have not had any complaints. It is these kind of inflammatory statements claiming that we are somehow trying to bilk an unsuspecting, ill informed public that has made me so wary about participating in these public forums. Instead of receiving some tolerence for trying to do things right uninformed people attack. I have not advocated my dogs here, I have not advertised the breed. I have not denigrated any other breed or breeder. I have tried to answer questions and offer information. I have yet to figure out why this topic stirs up such emotional response. Do they think AM breeders are out there calling attention to all of the faults and difficulties of other breeders. WE are not, every breed has faults, not every one is a potential adopter. I have owned about 14 different breeds in my lifetime, from minature dachsunds to AM's. I have loved every one of them and recognized the good and the bad about each. I make it a point to interview each potential adopting family extensively, Do each of you? We pick out the puppy that based on 8 to 10 weeks of observation in our living room (where they are born and raised) are best suited in temperament for the adopter. Do your breeders? Or do they allow you to walk in and try to pick the best puppy for your family in 30 minutes or so. Remember this is a choice that will last for 10 to 15 years. Will your breeder take the dog back if after 5 years it's personality changes and becomes unsuitable for your family. Did your breeder require a spay/neuter agreement so as to prevent unscrupulous people to breed any old way they want? Who approved the breeder? A club with thousands of dogs and breeders or a council of dedicated breeders devoted to ensuring the best possible conditions for the puppies and the best possible genetics. THere are thousand of questions hat need to be asked before selling or buying a dog. Believe me if you don't ask me the right questions you won't get a dog from me. I live with these puppies, I feed them around the clock,, I medicate them, I sleep with them . If you are trying to buy one of my dogs because it's the cool thing, or because they look good you won't get one from me.
That's my rant for the day. Come visit me or one of the other breeders talk to us get informed first hand not through second hand info or message boards full of people with their own agendas. After you do that then criticise me or castigate the breed from your experience. But be prepared with facts, not suppositions or agendas or prejudice.
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Im sorry I dont remember naming any breeder and there was no emotion in my post- so sorry if you took offence to it when I was discussing the topic not a person or a breeder or a kennel name.
Yes their are people still doing F1 crosses of this original mixture.
I would be happy to fwd all future inquiries to your email.
However the "breed" name is American Mastiff _Not Flying W Mastiff so they many not feel obligated to follow what ever ethics you set for yourself personally.
And if you have 9 generations of OFA Cleared- PH low scored , GDC cleared or OVC Cleared please excuse my post..
Or if you have heart clearances as well. i would be happy to print a general retraction for the entire breed ..
One of the reason that was said to cross these breeds is to get away from the health issues plaqueing many Molosser breeds.
1st Health issue is Bad Hips/Elbows/Shoulders
2nd Heart Issues.
I have a problem with creating a new breed based on something allegely wrong with one of the breeds used in the mixture and than does not provide proof to clarify the statements.
OFA Prelims have been ONLINe for over 2 years now.. so no need to check breeders for OFA they are online and viewable to all.
And in regards to emotion i think some people who work in rescue get emotional cause when a breed of a mixed nature arrives at the shelter they have less of a chance of adoption than a purebred dog.
This brings out the side of you that thinks of the dogs 1st and the
people behind them 2nd.
Again wish best of luck with your program and if you wish to point me in the direction of the clearances for this breed I would be very happy to see them.
Jeannine D
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I'm also sorry you think you were being attacked.I did not name any breeder just what I found on the breeds web sites.
The web sites I was on stated the dogs are free on hip problems.yet no American Mastiffs show up on the OFA web site.
I just think before people make any claims of any breed they should be able to prove them.
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I'm also sorry you think you were being attacked.I did not name any breeder just what I found on the breeds web sites.
The web sites I was on stated the dogs are free on hip problems.yet no American Mastiffs show up on the OFA web site.
I just think before people make any claims of any breed they should be able to prove them.
I just looked at Elwood's pawprints and the pictures are the cutest I have ever seen. You should definately try to get the one with all the puppies into the calendar.
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Hi I purchased an apricot brindle puppy from a breeder in southern missouri. He is great. We preferred a male over female because we did not want to deal with a female in heat and then all the male dogs in the neighborhood trying to get to her. We named ours Droopy and nicknamed him Hoover. He has a very laid back temperment and does not jump up on people. He is very sensative to the feelings of myself and boyfriend. If one of us is not feeling well he will sit by us on the couch all night. We are in the process of puppy classes and is learning things VERY quickly. The breeder was reasonable in her prices and if you want to contact her I would be more than heppy to send you her email.
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Why do these OEM vs AM discussions have to get so ugly. It makes me mad. I have a one year old American Mastiff female from Flying W Farms. The people who get AMs are not interested in registering their dogs. Who CARES if the AKC does not "recognze" my dog! We were looking for a great companion and family pet. Duchess, has fufilled that for us, and BTW she DOES NOT drool, just as promised. I think either breed is just great for some of the same reasons and some different reasons. Its a personal preferece. Mark my word, you will NOT be dissapointed in an American Mastiff as long as you go to one of the Flying W Farm recognized breeders.