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BPO Puppy Forum => FAQs about puppies => : heartofwisdom November 10, 2007, 06:27:18 AM
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Bear with me I'm green. I purchased 2 Great Pyrenees puppies yesterday. I've been up all night. Obviously 5 weeks was too early to leave mom. (http://heartofwisdom.com/images/pry_puppies/puppies1.jpg)
The pups were born in a barn and remained there. They were quite dirty and full of fleas and ticks. I gave them baths and cut burs from their hair. I have them inside in large cage. We have 20 acres.
I have several questions can't get to a vet until tomorrow. ???
1. Should I put them on formula? They are eating puppy chow. Do they need more?
2. One is the runt--but he is 1/4 the size of the other. Has anyone seen a runt this small? I'm wondering if he is from another litter? see photo at http://heartofwisdom.com/images/pry_puppies/puppies1.jpg
3. The runt wants to be held or he cries. Is this OK or spoiling?
Thanks,
Robin
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OMG!!!! ??? ??? ??? ???
Why did these people let the puppies go at such an early age?!?!
Yes. They need to be on more than puppy chow. Yes, I've seen wee ones born in a normal sized litter. And NO you won't be spoiling. He needs his Momma! :'( They both do. One thing you might want to do is get down on ground level to hold him. :-* :-*
OMG! This really bothers me. Please tell us more. Where are you?
Jane
modified to add. It's probably a good thing you stepped in. What with them covered in fleas and ticks. Good Lord! What's the matter with those people?!!?! Get them into the Vet first thing in the morning. How many were left? The poor Momma Pyr! Gurrrrrr!!!!! I get so upset with this stuff! But good for you to step forward. And welcome to BPO. Although I wish it could be under happier circumstances.
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5 weeks! OMG! They need so much love and care now! Do you have any other dog at home who would be able to take care of them - I mean dogwise - to teach them right beheivior, lick them, socialize?
Give us please more info!
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Well at least you have them and now they are going to be in better hands than where they came from. Hold them - Hold them all of the time- if that is what they want. I held only of mine all of the time until she was about 5 months old and then she decided that she needed to be more independent. She is one of the most secure wonderful dogs that I have ever had and I think that she is a better dog because of the commitment that I made to her.
They are going to need more than puppy chow. Until you can get into the vet you could supplement with some powdered formula mixed and offered to them.
Also what about the rest of the litter as Jane was inquiring? Maybe we can help get them placed into a rescue.
Welcome to the board- keep posted on thier update.
I am Paige and have 4 Pyrs, 3 Danes and a Newf mix and we just picked up a Pyr Foster on Friday evening
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I'm in Shelbyville TN. The dogs were in the Murfeesboro newspaper. There are two boys left. The owner actually told me I shouldn't ever pet them-- can you believe it. He said if we pet them they won't be good goat dogs.
I don't have another dog (just miniature horses)My 3 boys and I are spending huge amount of time carrying them around or on the floor with them. I rock them in a blanket. The runt -Peppy-likes to snuggle under my arm Precious lays her head on my neck.
Sorry I didn't realize 5 weeks was too young. We answered an ad in the paper I should have done more research.
I'll try to get into a vet in the morning.
Thanks for the advise.
Robin
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Hi Robin & congrats on your new little fluffy babies. ;D :-* I'm so glad that these little ones have you and your family now, and I hope that the other puppies end up with nice families, too. Sigh, 5 weeks old, covered in fleas & ticks and the farmer said that you shouldn't pet them? Grrrrrrrrrrrr. ........... I just hope to heck that the rest of the babies find homes like yours and that this guy gets his dogs spayed/neutered like YESTERDAY! You may want to get in contact with your local Great Pyrenees Club Rescue to see if they know of this guy and if they can think of something to do to help the remaining puppies. :( Here's a link that will give you names & contact info:
www.clubs.akc. org/gpca/gresqcont.html
Peppy & Precious are just that, precious! I think that your vet will be able to tell you whether or not they are litter mates or if they are a few weeks apart. If they're litter mates, then Peppy may need some extra care to help him catch up. Also, I've read about dwarfism in Pyr puppies and that one litter can have both full-sized & dwarf puppies, so that may be a possiblility, too. If so, I'll look for the web site for you for more info. Pyr pups with dwarfism are often very healthy, sweet, happy dogs just in a smaller size. Personally, I think that they are adorable too so I wouldn't be concerned. Either way, they'll make great family members. I've found Pyr's to be very habit forming, so welcome to the club. ;) ;D I just know that you're going to love your two! Please keep us posted, I can't wait to watch them grow! ;D
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Hey There! Welcome to BPO! Let me firt just say, you'll love this place. The people are all very nice and always have advice to give. If no one knows the answer to a question (which is very unlikely it seems like) we'd all help you to figure it out! My name is Samantha, owned by my great pyrenees Miles. We are somewhat new to this group as well. Have been on here a couple months, and it is great!
Now to the puppers! They are soooo darn cute! It almost makes me want another one! Almost..but Miles at almost 5 months old is more than handful himself! hahaha I agree with everyone else, the fact they were taken from their mother and littermates young may make things a bit more difficult with training and socialization. It is good that they can both sort of learn from each other where to draw the line as far as playing and biting goes.
Now, I have heard of runts being small...but it's almost like the larger puppy is older than 5 weeks. I agree more around 7 or 8 weeks. Miles was about the bigger pups size when we got him at 7 weeks. Or maybe the runt is a dwarf. I have heard this is uncommon but can happen in pyrs. If so, that would be wayy cute! A mini pyr ;D
And I cannot believe this "breeder". The conditions those poor puppies were in is absolutely ridiculous. I'm so glad you found them and rescued them! I just feel so bad for the mommy and daddy of these pups! No petting!? I just don't even know what to say to that!
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Or maybe the runt is a dwarf. I have heard this is uncommon but can happen in pyrs. If so, that would be wayy cute! A mini pyr ;D
Yeah, I don't know if this is the case with Peppy or not, I just mentioned it as a possibility, but I absolutely adore the little Pyrs, too. ;) ;D :-* I've been thinking of letting our local rescue coordinator know that we'd be interested if they ever have a dwarf Pyr come into our rescue. I've loved them ever since I saw some adorable pics. Our Cassie is probably 3/4 Pyr and she's small, but just totally perfect. I call her my little Pocket Pyr. ;) ;D She's incredibly loving, and so darn smart & funny! :D So anyway, whether or not Peppy is a big boy, he will certainly be a wonderful boy! :-* ;D
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There was a dwarf pup in Jack's litter as well - from the looks of that pup, I would suspect dwarfism. This usually doesn't result in any major problems but the dog will obviously be much smaller than an average Pyr. Be sure to mention it to the vet - as far as breeds go, Pyrs are one of the more common breeds for dwarfism.
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The little one could just be the runt of the litter and as so misses out on a lot of food and mama's milk. With care the runts can and do catch up and the runt may end up being a big boy. In one of my litters I had a wee one that we called feather- he was so small he was less than 1/2 the size of the others At 14 months he is a rather big boy weighing in around 100 pounds!
For these pups I would worm worm and worm again Food would be goats milk mixed with rice or cereal at least twice a day and I personally would put them on meats. All this in addition to a good quality kibble which I would have available 24 hours a day.
Not petting your livestock guardians is hog wash!! They will bond with all animals on their property over time. My show dogs will guard their sheep when put in with them even though they may not have met a sheep until they were older They prefer to be in the house but when placed with the sheep they do their duties rather well
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The pups met the minis today.
(http://heartofwisdom.com/images/pry_puppies/DSCN1260.jpg)
Thanks everyone for your input! I took the pups to the vet today. Peppy weighs 4.8 while sister Precious weighs 12.5.
He said sometimes pups can be small due to internal problems but its rare. We will watch peppy.The vet thinks they probably are litter mates but Peppy needs "groceries."
He feels Peppy is thin and small becasue he was scooted out by brothers and sisters. YOu can feel his little ribs easy.
As to being away from mom-- he feels we can do a better job of socializing considering the circumstances that mom is so busy with goats and the owner neglected them.
He gave them shots and worming meds I will continue for three days.He put them on Purina ProPlan Chkn and rice formula (contains milk proteins). He doesn't think I need to give liquid formula.
If peppy is a dwarf he'll fit in here with our three miniature horses.
I'm looking forward to sharing photos of them growing with you all here. I took several photos of pups with the horses today-posted at under Great Pyrenees Pictures.
thanks for making us feel so welcome.
Robin
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The pups met the minis today.
(http://heartofwisdom.com/images/pry_puppies/DSCN1260.jpg)
As to being away from mom-- he feels we can do a better job of socializing considering the circumstances that mom is so busy with goats and the owner neglected them.
If peppy is a dwarf he'll fit in here with our three miniature horses.
thanks for making us feel so welcome.
Robin
I'm really glad that the puppies checked out ok at the vet. I have to agree that even though they are so young to be without their mom that they are much better off with you than they were at that farm. Our Daisy was 7-8 weeks when we bought her from some kids outside of a grocery store, but she was so sick that she needed $400 worth of vet care first thing the next morning, so we've always felt like we rescued her too, though we "bought" her also. Peppy & Precious needed you and I'm so glad that they're safe & happy now (not to mention totally adorable!).
I love your comment about a how Peppy would fit right in with your mini's if he's going to be a small Pyr, that's just wonderful! You never know, like Patrick said, sometimes they just grow really fast and catch up, but if not, he'll be loved either way and that's what counts. I adore my Pyrs, but sometimes their size isn't so convenient. ;) ;D We have 3 sons and 3 dogs and it takes a 15 passenger van for us to travel with any ease (and even then it's a 3-ring circus, LOL!). So I've always thought that to have the wonderful aspects of a Pyr in a little smaller package just might be a really fun change for us. ;) ;D
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We have a 3-ring circus too. Peppy could be a dwarf. I found these photos of a 7 week Pry dwarfs
(http://www.sonic.net/~cdlcruz/dwarfs/3dwarves_and_normal_brother.jpg)
http://www.sonic.net/~cdlcruz/dwarfs/dwarfpups.html
Cuties.
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Welcome! Your pups are absolutely adorable :-*
I have to agree with Tina about the food for them though...Purin a is really bad! Those little guys need some real food now to boost immune system and get strong.
You can get some really good suggestions from the food forum ;)
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We have a 3-ring circus too. Peppy could be a dwarf. I found these photos of a 7 week Pry dwarfs
(http://www.sonic.net/~cdlcruz/dwarfs/3dwarves_and_normal_brother.jpg)
http://www.sonic.net/~cdlcruz/dwarfs/dwarfpups.html
Cuties.
Ha, ha! I know the feeling well! You should've seen our last trip in April! 3 kids, 3 dogs, 1 cat, 2 looney parents...LOL. ..all in one hotel room b/c a last-minute snow storm made it impossible to take our RV. ;D ::) :P
That web site is one of the one's that I've seen before, too. It's hosted by Catherine de la Cruz, a very helpful & knowledgable Pyr expert. If you have any questions about Peppy, you could contact her or I'm sure that any of your local pyr club people would be happy to help, too. :)
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I 'rescued' 5 pups last summer at 7 weeks old and the heaviest was 8 pounds, one was just 5 pounds- about the same size of your little one. Those pups had been on a cheap food too and not enough.
For food they were given a pound of meat a day PER PUPPY- boosted up to 2 pounds a day later. I made a gruel with rice cereal, goats milk, meats, yogurt and pumpkin twice a day and they had a high quality kibble at all times. At 3 months old they had pretty much caught up and at 6 months old are a normal size.
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Hi there! I just wanted to say welcome to the board. :D
I'm Alex, and my babies are Naja my 7 1/2 month female Pyr, and Moo (yes ike the sound a cow makes! lol) 8 month old Cairne Terrier/Toy Poodle mix.
Don't be afraid to ask lots of question here, everybody has so many years of experiance with their big paws that it would be a crime to not ask them on occasion to share their wealth of knowledge. ;) :D.
I'm pretty new here myself, only been on a few months now, but I can't wait to watch your cuties grow up.
I would like however to second what others have said about the food. Although Vets always have the best interest of our pets in mind, they are paid by the large food companies to "push" certain foods, just like some docters can be paid to "push" certain perscription drug. Good luck! And lets see more pictures!!!
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I got my 2 pyr pups at 6 wks and they too were born and lived outside in a barn. they were healthy and both a good size. the plus side is the farmer thought he shouldnt pet his dogs because they were working dogs and my hubby talked to him so now he pets the dogs and talks to them and he says he feels better about them now. says he misses the pups so he isnt all bad. the breeding was an accident. he had to go for surgery and the dogs had fun while he was gone.
anyway, my pups are growing and doing great. smart little things too.