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BPO Food Forum => Food Discussion & Information => : marypyrs June 30, 2008, 05:11:32 PM
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FYI. Upcoming changes in Canidae formulations from The Dog Food Project today. 06/30/08
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/
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Wow glad I stopped feeding it months ago or I'd be out looking for a new food. The Chicken and Rice is now pretty much Grain and Chicken. Shame but I think its a sign of the times if they don't want their food to be as expensive as the other brands they had to cut from somewhere.
Old: Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Chicken Fat
New: Chicken meal, brown rice, white rice, rice bran, cracked pearled barley, peas, chicken fat
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Crap - that is what I feed Harley and he has a sensative stomach - I know they had already changed the lamb formula because there are signs hanging all over the shelves - apparently a womans great dane got the runs and made quite a mess in her house and she was livid that the store didn't tell her so now they have signs and tell people - but at the time they hadn't changed the chicken or all stages which is what we alternate between.
What other foods are you consider feeding?
Randy and Harley
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I am feeding California Naturals Lamb and Rice.
I switched a while back...Got sick of the on and off loose stools and dry skin my dogs got while they were on Canidae.
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRR! They are also changing the cat food! >:( Great... UGH
Looks like all the dry formulas are changing. >:(
http://www.canidae.com/new-formulas.html
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Hi,
I am going to try the new formula and see how it goes. Wisnslow is not food sensitive but if his coat and bodily functions change noticably I'll be moving to something different.
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Wow--that's not a minor change at all! I really don't like seeing all those additional grains in there. I also wonder why they cut out all the chelated minerals? This may be "new" but it certainly doesn't look like "improved" to me. Too bad. I have recommended Canidae many times, but I can't recommend this new formula. :-\
The people we get our canidae from actually told us about the change about a month ago and I have to say that it's been a bumpy ride. The stool is soft and very light in color and well, they are all pretty gassy now. We are actually considering switching the food to California Natural but I did want to talk to you, first Holly and get your thoughts. So, I guess we'll be making the switch as I think I now know your thoughts. Oh well.
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I just read on 'our dogs online' that dry Canidae will now be made by Diamond. :o I will not feed anything from Diamond or made by Diamond. So Canidae has been completely scratched off my list now.
I wonder though if the formula change has anything to do with the Diamond making their food?
Here's their email response when someone emailed them in regards to hearing Diamond was making their food.
"""Due to overwhelming customer support and increased demand on our products, we have been faced with unique production capacity challenges. Our growing customer support and demand has pushed for increased capacity, therefore we have outsourced additional production from Diamond Pet Foods. Our customers demand and deserve no less than the highest quality safe ingredients, as well as state of the art consistent manufacturing. Outsourcing additional production from Diamond comes not without first carefully instating and accepting only the strictest testing protocols, as well as mandating stringent operating procedures to ensure the highest quality products possible at every level of production. We are very happy with this relationship and the high quality formulations we are able to bring to you.
Expect Excellence!
Sincerely,
Team Canidae
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They seemed to have joined in with many of the other companies including Solid Gold. Last I heard from the guy at the feed store Diamond was now making 8 of the foods on the market.
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Diamond makes Solid Gold?????
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Yes..that came out when WDJ left them off their 2008 list. Solid Gold did not want to say where their food was made which is now required in order to make the WDJ list. Later they disclosed where they now make it.
This is rather common...for small good companies to later outsource the "processing" of their foods to larger companies.
http://www.thepetfoodlist.com/petfoods_pg3.htm
Solid Gold Health Food for Pets (verified by company 4/17/07)
Only brand is Solid Gold
No products made by Menu Foods
Dry food made by Diamond, in Meta, Mo and Lathrop, CA
Canned foods are made by Blue Sky Pet Foods
We have no wheat gluten, nor rice protein concentrate. We use only whole unprocessed grains or bran, not gluten.
With 3 exceptions, all ingredients are from domestic sources. Lamb comes from New Zealand, tuna is caught & canned offshore, and the potato protein in the Barking at the Moon high performance food comes from Europe.
Company is individually owned by the founder of Solid Gold, Sissy McGill. (no parent company)
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Yes..that came out when WDJ left them off their 2008 list. Solid Gold did not want to say where their food was made which is now required in order to make the WDJ list. Later they disclosed where they now make it.
This is rather common...for small good companies to later outsource the "processing" of their foods to larger companies.
So is it bad to feed Solid Gold...we feed Titan the Wolf King but never heard of Diamond before. I was out of the dog food group for a while (without a dog for several years)?!?
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I'm not saying being made by Diamond is a bad thing or not.
Just many people say they will "not use food made by Daimond" after a few years ago when their food killed over 100 dogs (I think it was can be found on the net).
It has only been recently, after the menu food issue, that people have now found out the food they were feeding was indeed made at Diamond plants. So people who had the strong opinion about foods made by Diamond are not always happy to find out their food also falls in that group.
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Thanks for the information! I will read more about it. Titan has such BAD allergies and an extreamly sensitive gut. So to FINALLY find a food that agrees with him in all the right ways ;) (stool, hives, vomitting) is a great relief for us and him! But I will keep my eyes open for anything questionable. Thanks again appreciate it! :)
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We feed our dogs Diamond Maintenance dog food and they seem to be doing fine on it. Their coats are nice,shiny and soft and they all seem really healthy. The only con is it making the doxies a little on the fat side. But, Tank is doing great and is at a perfect weight! We used to feed Chicken Soup and they did really good on that is just made there stool loose. They have not had loose stool since we switched them over to the new food which is weird since it is made by the same company. What are some good dogs foods that are not so expensive??
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We actually jsut bought our first bag of Diamond dog food for a while. We stopped buying it after everything that happened. I believe it was rotten corn meal or something.
We got the Diamond High Energy considering we have a Wiem and two springers. I will let yall know how we like it.
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Good Grief!
I started feeding Canidae ALS about two months ago after taking Tink of IAMS Smart Puppy becuase she got really sick off a "bad bag". Now what?
I even got Canidae to send me som $2 off coupons and a rebate book.
What do you suggest for an 87lb 6 month old in the same price range. I would really love and appreciate the advice.
Thanks.
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I mentioned this on another thread too - but I switched some time ago after having sworn by SG for YEARS from Solid Gold Wolf King (And Solid Gold Wolf Cub for puppy) when Rain started having major digestive problems. I, too, saw a difference in their kibble and the way it smelled. Called the Company several times and also emailed them. No answers back and no calles returned so I did a little research on my own and found that they had indeed changed the formula as well as their Manufacturer.
In the mean time I started feeding only my home cooked formula and took Holly's advice on Innova & EVO and mixed that in gradually. Innova Large Breed for Whisper because he's less than two years old and EVO for Rainbow. They are thriving and NO MORE tummy issues.
It's quite costly, but when you consider an additional $10 to $20 over a months time - that's not all that much. Health matters. And I suppose we could compare pet food costs to human food costs and see that they're pretty much in line.
I still watch the dog food industy like a hawk.
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Just a tid bit of info:
I was curious yesturday after finding that Solid Gold is made by Diamond; so I decided to email the company.
This is the response I recived; and I think ment all of my inquiry about where the food is made and how what types of precautions are being taken since the the doog foor scare also included Diamond.
Thank you for your inquiry,
Diamond makes our food in their Meta, MO and Lathrop, CA plants, not in the South Carolina plant where the Aflatoxin issue happened. They manufacture to our specifications and quality standards and the food is tested thoroughly before and after processing to ensure quality and safety.
The food is tested before and after manufacture by Diamond and by Solid Gold independently.
Many dog food companies will employ a third party to manufacture their food as it is cost prohibitive for small companies such as ours to own and operate a mill.
Best regards,
Solid Gold
Just thought I would share. :)
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I'm wondering if I somehow ended up with a bag of the new Canidae already. >:(
Raja threw up Wednesday night (granted, I'm thinking she also got into something that she shouldn't have). She had previously (new dog food bag) not eaten with her usual zest and instead just picked at her food. Thursday am she refused her food altogether, I called the Vet and he mentioned that some bugs were going around and we decided to wait and see.
Today, after observing no more vomiting (since Wed.), normal stools and urination, she still wouldn't eat. I ran to the grocery store (all the local pet stores are closed due to the 4th) and ended up buying some canned IAMS and chicken broth out of desperation. She gobbled both down, but still will only pick at the Canidae dry food.
She is the smarter, more observant, dog of the three (the other two are wolfing it down like normal). I'm thinking something is up. >:(
On the bright side, I'm glad to have figured out that she isn't dying - as was my first thought when she refused food!
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I was right, I have a new bag of Canidae, purchased less than a week ago. The big bags were the first to change over, per my pet store.
Raja will NOT eat it. I problem solved with the pet store (who did point out that Canidae's new formula now makes it almost identical to Solid Gold). They suggested California Naturals as the closest alternative, but my husband went into cardiac arrest at the price.
I ended up buying Premium Edge. Yes, I know it's a Diamond product. It doesn't seem to be quite up to par with Canidae's former ingredients, but it does seem to be a little bit better than their new formula. And Raja wolfed it down, finally ending the dry food hunger strike (and has yet to get sick, I cringed at starting her on it cold like that). Anyone have any experience with Premium Edge?
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Does your bag of Canidae that's making her sick have the old ingredient list or the now updated one?
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We feed everyone canidae and we have not had any issues yet. BUT...i think that the store we get it from does not have the new stuff yet. PLUS...the cost of canidae at this particular store is $20 for the 30-40 lb bag. We travel from MA to NH for this store because of the cost. Around here the cost of it is $50 or so.
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We feed everyone canidae and we have not had any issues yet. BUT...i think that the store we get it from does not have the new stuff yet. PLUS...the cost of canidae at this particular store is $20 for the 30-40 lb bag. We travel from MA to NH for this store because of the cost. Around here the cost of it is $50 or so.
WOW :o 20.00 a bag. I can't even find Pedigree for that little amount.
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Does your bag of Canidae that's making her sick have the old ingredient list or the now updated one?
It is the updated one. As I said, it didn't dawn on me what the problem was at first, I just thought she was sick. And likely, she was a bit sick at the time. But, she is also just plain ole refusing to eat the new formula. So, I'm not blaming her sickness on it, but it does seem that a new dog food is in my future. The other two dogs could care less though. Raja is very observant, can't get much past her. For curiosity's sake (since she has been wolfing down the Premium Edge food), I just tried a bowl of Canidae with her again. She wouldn't touch it. Gave her a bowl of PE, and she wolfed it down. I guess it's time to start switching the family over. :(
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Well, since your original post I have tried to wean Kana off of Canidae. He has done SO well on it since a pup and I hate to change~
We introduced EVO no grain beef for 2 consecutive months about 3 months ago. He did really well and actually stayed satisfied so much longer (obviously b/c of all of the protein). Now I went to get a big bag of that to replace the Canidae but...THE PRICE WENT UP TO $65 for 20# bag!!!! Oh my gosh...
Then I looked in the high protein/no grain area and found Taste of the Wild (?)...it has a bear and a wild dog on the light blue bag. Since we introduced that I have seen Kana itching a lot. It's been about 4 days (mixed with the old Canidae) since we started him on that.
My question is...should I try to wait out the itching or just switch foods right away? He has experienced seasonal allergies the last 2 summers, so this comes at a confusing time.
Help!
Kristen ???
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That's gotta be it! Naja has been having soft and runny poops alot lately, and hasen't been getting into anything. Looks like it's time to switch. :(
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GRRR!! After everything I went through to choose a food for Sierra! I'm going to go home and check for sure, but I believe the 40 lb bag we had for her was the old formula because we've had it forever. We free-feed because Sierra sometimes will go a day or so without eating anything and then the next eating everything in sight. It's working for her, she's at a perfect weight, so we're not worried about her habits right now. Anyway, it took her forever to go through the bag. The last bag I got was a 20 lb because the store was out of big ones. If the change is starting with the bigger bags, maybe we got lucky.
I was blessed to get a dog without a sensitive belly, so I'm not worried about issues with switching her, just the aggravation of searching for another dog food I am comfortable giving her. There were a few other brands that I felt pretty good about, so I guess it comes down to which one won't destroy my wallet.
If Sierra knew what I go through for her, maybe she wouldn't get into so much trouble!! ;D
Modified because I'm a dork and can't spell. ;D
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Hi,
Well I am into the first bag of new formula, (by the way the formula isn't the only new thing) THE BAG IS 5LBS smaller, and priced a bit higher than the old formula ??? ::)so where is the savings that prompted the change!!
Well Winslow seems to like it, actually a bit more than the old version, :P Everything seems fine going in and comming out!!
Anyone else try the new version???
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I'm going to the feed store today - I don't know if they will have the old or new formula - I will report back with any new food issues - (Harley does have a kind of sensative stomach!!)
Randy
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k9kooy, Nice summary.
Butter just switched from Canidae to Horizon Legacy before I heard about all these changes about 3 weeks ago. He is doing pretty good with it.