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Saint Bernards => Saint Bernard General Discussions => : Kermit August 29, 2005, 10:12:04 AM
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Well we all know how much fun it is to play on Petfinder.com. .. And well I guess I keep finding myself looking at Saint Bernard babies...
Anyhow I found this girl, and granted she is adorable, but a purebred Saint Bernard? That's what they are claiming. I don't consider myself an expert on purebred dogs or anything (I don't even have one!) but this puppy looks strange to me. What do you guys think? If they are claiming she is purebred the adoption fee is $350.
http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=5005897&adTarget=&SessionID=431331c97cae8b9e-app3&display=&preview=1&row=0&tmpl=&stat=
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She looks like a Shep mix to me, but it could be very likely that she's a purebred saint. Just from a line of very poorly bred dogs. In Danes, we've seen dogs that have pedigrees way back but that doesn't mean that they look like a Dane. It's why, in my opinion, it's so important to prove your dog, to keep the integrity of the dog intact.
Ang
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I can almost say for sure that she is not a pure saint, she doesn't seem to have the characteristic markings. But I am no expert, but from seeing all the pics of the saint owners on here she doesn't look like any of them. could be a saint mix
Nina
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pretty dog...but I see a lot of German Shep...too.
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sure doesn't look like one... at $350 no less :(
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I was just reading the breed standard and she doesn't look that a pure breed acording to the standard. She has the black in her coat on her back, she should only have the dark color on her head.
She is still beautiful.
Nina
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I think more shepherd then anything. She has that same Saddle that GSD have. Why do places charge more for purebreds? Our Humane Society charges $70 for dogs but if they are purebred they charge $200 ???
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She really looks like a mix to me.
If she is purebred - you should be able to track down her AKC registration. If they have her registered with another organization - forget it - it's likely not right.
With AKC - you can track the lineage - way back. Not for free, of course, but what is free these days?
I have raised and bred Saints for a number of years now and currently have two that are registered. One is not show quality, but of good stock, and her pups go for $600 limited and sometimes twice that for full registration. The other one is still a pup - about 4 months - but she is show quality - lineage is from champions, and she was $2300. There is quite a price gap between your pup and most purebreds, although you can buy Saints for around $500 on some bulletin boards. Just be careful.
If you don't need a purebred - those photos show what looks like a very nice dog, but kind of high priced for a mix.
But - I have to say that there are a great number of Saints that have been poorly bred - sometimes a breeder registers a litter where more than one sire got to the bitch. It's against the rules - but some are just not playing by those rules. And it hurts everyone.
If you can wait - our dam was just bred to a sire from good lines and should whelp around Oct 4. Our pups have been placed all over the nation - some in CA, others in NY, VT, among other states,and even one in Canada. We don't ship until they are 8 weeks old, and only on Continental because they control the temp in their cargo for pets.
But, I'm not trying to sell you a pup. Just letting you know. You may end up with the sweetest dog - one that you will love forever with the girl you are now looking at. There is so much more to owning a Saint - or a Saint-mix, than just being a purebred. I also have a couple of 'mutts' and I wouldn't trade them for the world.
Good luck with your decision.
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Sorry no way that's a Saint pup.
Unfortunately many shelters/rescues are playing these games now. From listing mixes as purebreds to listing less desired purebreds as other breeds/mixes.
Example.....So rry this is a Pit not a Vizsla or a GSP or a mix of them in any way shape or form.
http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4679856&adTarget=&SessionID=431348b94c0ca6be-app5&display=&preview=1&row=25&tmpl=&stat=
We see this alot in our rescue. People email us to tell use about a "Purebred Vizsla" they saw listed at a shelter, 9 times out of 10 its a Rednose or mix of one. When we contact the shelter/rescue to inform them of their "mistake" we are told... if we list it as what it really is it will not got adopted.
Fine , great its a nice dog your trying to find a home for but lets look at the flip side of this...
A family adopts what they think is a Vizsla when its really a Pit. That family happens to live in a city that has a BSL (as mine does) they take their new dog home only to have neighbors question them on the dogs breed. The neighbor then calls the AC who comes out to see what is clearly a purebred Pit. The dog is taken and PTS. (This has happened many times in my neighborhood)
Or..
Family does not live in a BSL city, but one day their home owner insurance company pays them a visit (something these companies do from time to time without warning no they do not come in your home they do an outside assessment).
The dog is outside and the caller sees the dog....this company does not allow Pits or charges extra for owning a dangerous bred (as mine does). Now the family is left to pick... pay higher insurance rates (something they may not be able to afford) or take the dog back to the pound.......
or....
Family does not live in a BSL city or have a homeowners that cares. They however adopted a dog that was suppose to be a purebred Vizsla therefore it should carry typical Vizsla traits not Pit bull traits. This family does not have the skill or ability to properly own and train a dog with Pit bull traits and drive so they dog is returned to the pound.
No matter how it plays out the family and dog lose due to the shelters/rescues lie.
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Sorry no way that's a Saint pup.
Unfortunately many shelters/rescues are playing these games now. From listing mixes as purebreds to listing less desired purebreds as other breeds/mixes.
Example.....So rry this is a Pit not a Vizsla or a GSP or a mix of them in any way shape or form.
http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4679856&adTarget=&SessionID=431348b94c0ca6be-app5&display=&preview=1&row=25&tmpl=&stat=
We see this alot in our rescue. People email us to tell use about a "Purebred Vizsla" they saw listed at a shelter, 9 times out of 10 its a Rednose or mix of one. When we contact the shelter/rescue to inform them of their "mistake" we are told... if we list it as what it really is it will not got adopted.
Fine , great its a nice dog your trying to find a home for but lets look at the flip side of this...
A family adopts what they think is a Vizsla when its really a Pit. That family happens to live in a city that has a BSL (as mine does) they take their new dog home only to have neighbors question them on the dogs breed. The neighbor then calls the AC who comes out to see what is clearly a purebred Pit. The dog is taken and PTS. (This has happened many times in my neighborhood)
Or..
Family does not live in a BSL city, but one day their home owner insurance company pays them a visit (something these companies do from time to time without warning no they do not come in your home they do an outside assessment).
The dog is outside and the caller sees the dog....this company does not allow Pits or charges extra for owning a dangerous bred (as mine does). Now the family is left to pick... pay higher insurance rates (something they may not be able to afford) or take the dog back to the pound.......
or....
Family does not live in a BSL city or have a homeowners that cares. They however adopted a dog that was suppose to be a purebred Vizsla therefore it should carry typical Vizsla traits not Pit bull traits. This family does not have the skill or ability to properly own and train a dog with Pit bull traits and drive so they dog is returned to the pound.
No matter how it plays out the family and dog lose due to the shelters/rescues lie.
Well Said! I have a foster dog right now and I have given all the good points and bad of this dog. I don't want him to be adopted out only to be brought back, because he doesn't get along with dogs when I said that he is great with dogs( just an example, he really is great with dogs) Why do people lie it isn't doing the dog a favour, it is harming it in the end.
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I agree that that pup does not look like a pure St. It simply does not look clumsy enough to me, and is too well proportioned at such a young age. No big feet from what I can tell.
I also agree with shelters being WAY off on what they say alot of their dogs are. Around here, every dog at the shelter is either a pit/lab/aussie/rottie mix. Doesn't matter what the dog looks like, that is what they will say it is.
I went there awhile ago just to see what they had. I come up to a cage which at first I thought was a heeler mix. At closer look, it was a blue merle corgi mix. Do you know what they said it was? Pit mix. Now I'm sorry, but how can you confuse a corgi with a pit? It had a corgi head, the coloring was corgi, and the body and hair type was corgi.
I think they really need to hire people who know their breeds and can give an educated guess as to what they are. Many pit mixes I have seen are actually what I believe to be American Bulldogs or Mastiff mixes. They are simply too big to be pits. Okay, I'm done with my rant. Carry on........
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Down here I see a lot of those rare chocolate Weimer. ::) When they are really liver GSPs, and purebred. I have contacted a couple of shelters to let them know. Everyone I contacted emailed me back and thanked me for letting them know and has changed their website.
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When I was still working at a vet clinic, I met a guy who had a chocolate dog. I asked if it was a weim or viszla mix. He claimed it to be a mix of a weim and viszla. That was before I knew GSP's came in solid chocolate. If I had known that then, I would have enlightened him.
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I think more shepherd then anything. She has that same Saddle that GSD have. Why do places charge more for purebreds? Our Humane Society charges $70 for dogs but if they are purebred they charge $200Â ???
Our humane society charges the same for purebred. When I was looking for a pyr the humane society had a pyr mix (was listed as such) and still charged the $200. I couldn't believe it. People are willing pay those prices. The humane society said no kids under 10 because of the size. I thought that was ridiculous when there are so many unwanted dogs. I don't have any problems with my pyr and my two year old.
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Down here I see a lot of those rare chocolate Weimer.>>>
LOL Yes we get chocolate Vizslas also and Vizslas that have those funny black noses ::)
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shelters here are notoriously bad at listing correct breeds as well. I learned this when our pup went missing. This could have been a disaster had they found him and his collar had come off. I am sure they would have guessed nothing close to the right breed, or age. They only hold dogs for 4 days before they put them up for adoption or to sleep, and we heard rummor that they sometimes don't hold them even that long.
This made our situation very difficult because it meant we had to actually go to each of the shelters here at least every other day looking for him even though they have a listing of found dogs (no pictures). I work full time, and they open after i leave in the mornign and close before i get home. I was lucky i had volunteers (from the rescue group we got him from) that were willing to spend a couple hours a day looking in shelters for him, and that he didnt end up at the shelters, but if he had...... i can't even think about it...
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you know i breed saint bernards (in nebraska) and this is no purebred saint bernard to me it looks to be german shepard also here is a picture of my purebred saint bernard saints
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Yeah, I didn't think that pup looked purebred. It's weird, I want to think they put up the wrong picture by accident! The puppy they are describing sounds lovely!
"Jamie is a an adorable 10 week old pure bred female saint puppy. She is a full mantle smooth coat with a full mask."
Sounds good enough to fool someone!
Anyways, I'm not necessarily looking for a purebred saint, I'm just keeping my eyes open for the right little puppy girl.
(I wonder what that little poochie is going to grow up to be?? Ha! ;D)
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I really don't think she's a pit. She looks like a saint crossed with a german sheppard. Her ear looks a little like a bloodhound's ear but it may just be the way she's posed. Her back has a serious slope reminiscent of a german shepperd. Saints have flat backs for the most part. Sometimes they are sloped a bit, but i don't think it would slope that much. Whatever she is, she's a beauty. Well worth looking into I think. Also the darker back is german sheppherdish too.
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I really don't think she's a pit. She looks like a saint crossed with a german sheppard. Her ear looks a little like a bloodhound's ear but it may just be the way she's posed. Her back has a serious slope reminiscent of a german shepperd. Saints have flat backs for the most part. Sometimes they are sloped a bit, but i don't think it would slope that much. Whatever she is, she's a beauty. Well worth looking into I think. Also the darker back is german sheppherdish too.
I do not think anyone said the puppy in question looked like a Pit. The Pit reference was for the link included in my first post http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4679856&adTarget=&SessionID=431348b94c0ca6be-app5&display=&preview=1&row=25&tmpl=&stat=
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If you want a St, there are two females in Cincinnati. I think they are only $250 and they are definately purebreed because I saw the papers.
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it is a good thing i live way out in california and not in ohio, otherwise my boyfriend would have left me today when i brought home 2 more puppies....
those saint pups are irresistable!
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I think my pure bred dog buying days are over. Too many bad breeders, and or genetic defects. I think my next dog may be all mutt. The thing I like about mutts are that they are pretty unique, are usually very intelligent, and it's fun trying to figure out what they are. I say that, but I'm a sucker for a saint pup so you never know. I find buying a dog kind of confusing. There are tons of breeders, they all bad mouth each other, you never know who to trust, and at least half of the time they're a puppy mill. I'm sure there are a few diamonds in the rough but you never know. Oh well, there is my daily breeder rant. Don't mean to offend any good breeders out there.
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Saintly Girl, I feel the same way. That's how I have ended up with a house full of mutts.
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i love mixes too...but then again i am a rescue only kinda gal, so even pure breed pups are much more rare, and even then often full of special needs. my favorite thing is watching how a mix breed pup grows up. it is like the most fun surprise over and over again. Shakespeare is starting to look a little more mastiff, getting some wrinkles and sags in his face and neck. What fun!
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Hey Kook!
I saw hound, too. Those ears!
How ya doin?