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: IW still at petstore
: brigid67 September 08, 2005, 02:48:30 AM
My daughter was at the mall today and said the little muppet looking IW is still there.  It has to be like a month since I was there....ohhhh hh...I want that IW soooo!!!!!!  Damn!!!  And I can't get a petstore pup - I am totally against it, BUT...... 
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: ZooCrew September 08, 2005, 01:36:01 PM
Awwwe, the poor thing.  You know you want him.   ;)  ;)  ;D

There are some people at my dog park that are looking into getting a basset from the pet store.  I guess he's been in there about 6 months.......p oor guy.  If he's not adopted/purchased soon he'll be send to the shelter.  The owner is even willing to knock quite a bit off the price so he can start being a dog.
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: VdogLover September 08, 2005, 01:42:57 PM
Most stores are willing to deal big once a pup hits 5-6 months old. We have had 1800.00 dogs pulled from stores for 50.00 once they hit the non sellable age. Most of the time its without papers or any warranty. Just be aware of the troubles you may face taking a dog who has been penned for that long.
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: Blair September 08, 2005, 01:43:54 PM
 I have never seen a petstore that sold dogs. Keep us posted. Poor thing must be really wanting a forever loving home  ;)
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: Anky September 08, 2005, 03:26:41 PM
Most stores are willing to deal big once a pup hits 5-6 months old. We have had 1800.00 dogs pulled from stores for 50.00 once they hit the non sellable age. Most of the time its without papers or any warranty. Just be aware of the troubles you may face taking a dog who has been penned for that long.

Don't tell me that because I'll go to all the petstores round up the pups and put them in rescue :(  I don't want to think of what future is in store for them if they go back to their "Breeders"

Ang
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: VdogLover September 08, 2005, 03:54:57 PM
K I won't tell you but its true ;) 
 Just do not ever mention the word rescue to the store. I learned that the hard way after trying to get a puppy released from a store he had sat in until he was nearly 6 months old.
 I went to the store on a Saturday (they know I'm in rescue) begged for the release of the dog, they told me 500.00. One week later I got a call from the local HS.... turns out a man purchased the puppy for 50.00 the day after I had been to the store. He then turned the dog into the shelter saying the pup was to much to handle. I called and confirmed the amount he paid for the pup.
The rescue I work with will not pay for a puppy from a store if it means they will make money on the pup. I figured...
Stores pays 20-100 for the puppy from the broker
Has it for 4 months- Fed, shots, wormings has to cost them around 100.00
So at 50.00 the store should be losing money on that dog.
The store that had the above pup no longer carries the breed:)
If the store already knows you are a rescue enlist family and friends to buy the pup...just please do not give them a profit!!!
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: Anky September 08, 2005, 04:01:51 PM
Just out of curiosity, how would you go about getting the pup for a discount?  Just say "Hey I noticed that dog's been here 4 months, you can't be making anything off of it, so I'll give you $50."?
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: brigid67 September 08, 2005, 04:05:56 PM
I hate puppymills and the stores that they sell the pups.  This store has big signs allover that says they do not support puppymills - you know that is BS...I would never say anything about being a rescue....we'll see what happens.  I do want him - he is very cute....  I hate to even go by and look...I wish my daughter had never said a word...
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: ZooCrew September 08, 2005, 04:15:42 PM
IW = Irish wolfhound

The way the people I know got the price down (they actually heard from another lady at the dog park about the basset).  She asked how long the dog was there, and when she learned it was aroung 6 months, she was shocked.  I think she asked about a discount since the dog was older, and the owner was willing to cut the price in 1/2.  I don't know what the original price was.  I dont' even know if the other people will get this dog.  They have one basset already and do want to get another, but they just had a human baby two weeks ago.
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: GrumpyBunny September 08, 2005, 04:19:49 PM
I have never seen a petstore that sold dogs.

We, sadly, have quite a few.  One of them is in the mall that we must go to in order to frequent my beloved Target.  I can barely walk by it.  I try to refuse to support it by going in, but if we even walk past the windows where the puppies are, I burst into tears.  And it is one of the ones where they let people take the puppies out on walks, which in a way is good, I guess - but then I am torn between my love for their fresh puppy goodness and the sadness and bitterness over the puppy mills from which they come.  Cause I don't care what they say in the store - NO reputable breeder sells to a pet store.

I swear I get so upset and so sad about these things - more than I think I should.  Maybe I need a therapist!   ;D  When I finally go crazy I am going to end up in rags, standing outside a pet store screaming into a megaphone about the evils of puppy mills, and how hard the puppies will be to house-break, and shoving propaganda into people's hands.

And, of course, the worst part of it is that, despite knowing everything that is wrong about wanting to "rescue" one of those puppies from a bad situation, I still get jonesing for a puppy, and think about the one puppy I could save, because it isn't the puppy's fault, and am soooo  tempted....

I am being flippant about this, but I seriously do think this all upsets me more than it should... 
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: Kiahpyr September 08, 2005, 04:24:23 PM
Grumpybunny I feel the same way. I have to choke back the tears when I see a pet store that sells pets. When I go crazy I'll be right there with you outside a pet store. 
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: GrumpyBunny September 08, 2005, 04:33:22 PM
Grumpybunny I feel the same way. I have to choke back the tears when I see a pet store that sells pets. When I go crazy I'll be right there with you outside a pet store. 

I am glad I am not the only one!  At least I will have some company...  :)
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: brigid67 September 08, 2005, 04:43:50 PM
Move over and give me some room on that soap box because I'll be right there with you guys!
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: VdogLover September 08, 2005, 05:01:32 PM
As Grumpybunny said and it should be posted in big bold letters on every dog site...

NO reputable breeder sells to a pet store.

NO reputable breeder has a USDA number.

NO reputable breeder has 4 pages of "puppies for sale" internet site.

As far as getting the dog at a discount it takes some good talking and sometimes several visits.
First visit with the dog ask how old it is ...when told 6 months say "O my will you sell this dog at that price at this age?"  Seems high for a dog who is no longer really a puppy...someti mes going into how hard the dog will be to housetrain ect... can work also. Also try you do not care about papers or warranties.

Ask to talk to the owner of the store and be ready to walk out if they will not come down. It may take several trips back. Remember the store pays next to nothing to the broker for any puppy.
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: Saintgirl September 08, 2005, 07:14:20 PM
Petstores that sell pups kill me. Not too long ago I had tears falling down my cheeks because of a poor border collie puppy that was five months old and looked pathetic. It killed me. As much as it kills us to see these little guys we have to remember that even though it isn't the fault of the pup, if we do buy one it WILL be replaced and another poor pup will take up its spot behind the glass wall. The only way to stop it is to stop buying the puppies. There is a petstore in Prince Edward Island called Snookums pets and they sell puppies and kittens and then sell deliver them all over the maritimes. You don't even have to go to the petstore, you can look them up online and pay with your credit card over the phone and he will deliver them to you. There has been alot of uproar about the place because several of the pups have been delivered to their homes sick. I have emailed them several times pleading for this to stop. Not once have I gotten a reply, but it is a monthly duty of mine. This guy even has a QandA page to respond to all of the emails he has gotten, claiming that all of his pups come from reputable breeders....c'mon...reputabl e breeders my a$$. Petstores that sell pups MAKE ME SICK!!
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: Anky September 08, 2005, 08:25:12 PM
Petstores that sell pups kill me. Not too long ago I had tears falling down my cheeks because of a poor border collie puppy that was five months old and looked pathetic. It killed me. As much as it kills us to see these little guys we have to remember that even though it isn't the fault of the pup, if we do buy one it WILL be replaced and another poor pup will take up its spot behind the glass wall. The only way to stop it is to stop buying the puppies.

Do you know what happens if they don't sell a puppy?  They go back to the mill.  The brokers or whatever either then turn them into puppy making machines or sell them to testing facilities.  I don't know which is worse.
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: ZooCrew September 08, 2005, 10:58:54 PM
Supposedly, the pet shop in our area has a deal with a shelter, and if they dont' get sold, they are given to a no kill shelter for adoption.
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: brigid67 September 09, 2005, 08:30:57 AM
i may just stop by the mall and see that cute little muppet face.....

one more dog and I will have to get a dog fanciers license   :(
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: Saintgirl September 09, 2005, 12:53:32 PM
I didn't mean to step on your toes Anky. I know that they often get sent back and then end up as breeding machines aswell. It is a horrible life for the dogs that end up with these puppy brokers. My only point was that if people would stop buying petstore puppies, the demand for them would cease to exist and them these mills would not continue supplying the pups. These places only produce puppies because there is such a demand for them. But I understand how sometimes you just can't resist the little faces peeking out at you, it breaks hearts and soemtimes you just can't resist. For this reason I won't even go in to look at their sweet innocent faces. Puppy millers are horrid disgusting people and I hope that they someday get what they have coming to them.
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: Nicole September 09, 2005, 01:02:05 PM
Just a little chiming in here....

Yesterday, I stopped in at a locally-owned pet store. I was looking for one of those collapsable water bowls...I think they're made by Ruff Wear or something....a nyway....the store is called Delilah's, and Delilah is a HUGE Saint that belongs to the owner and hangs out at the store. There is also D.D. (The D.D. Stands for Delilah's Dog) a young Saint. She hangs out there, too.

Anyway....this is the first time I've ever been there. I go in, I'm lookin' around, lovin' on the two Saints...and I see that there is a puppy room in the back! AGH! So, I go back there, and there are TONS of litters back there. Two boxer pups, two rottie pups (OMG THEY WERE CUTE!), and a whole gang of "Puggles", "Malti-Poos"...all kindsa weird mixes...little Mojos...It was crazy. I loved on the boxer puppies for awhile and then had to run outta there, cuz I could feel it bubbling up..."Where do these puppies come from?" And, I knew I'd end up arrested.

I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE puppy millers, and I hate the fact that dumb people can go to the pet store and see a cute puppy for relatively cheap and just BUY it, and I hate that a locally owned pet store would sell puppies. GRRRR.
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: Kirsten September 09, 2005, 01:27:28 PM
my problem with the puppies i see at petstores is much different.  See pet stores here don't sell dogs.  instead there are resues that bring their dogs out to the stores so people can meet them.  I can't resist them.  everytime i go to the store and see a rescued dog in need i want to take them home!!!  Luckily they mostly come on weekends, so i jsut try to go during the week, but there is a resue that brings different dogs to our PETCO EVERYDAY!!!  just a couple dogs a day, but i can't go there because i always want at least one of the 2 that is there.....
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: ZooCrew September 09, 2005, 01:31:03 PM
I'm with you on that one.

Most pet stores now display which ciy and state the dogs come from.  They claim to not purchase from puppy mills, yet 80% of the dogs (all different breeds) there seem to not only come from the same state, but the same vicinity in the state.  Hmmmm......... ..raise some eyebrows?  Plus, I've never been in a store yet where the dogs look healthy.  They may to the average person, but having worked in vet clinics before, I can always pick out at least 2-3 problem pups each time.  And where there is one sick pup, there are bound to be others.
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: Nicole September 09, 2005, 01:31:26 PM
I wish that were my only problem!

I seriously almost bought the boxer and rottie pups yesterday (ALL FOUR OF THEM!) I was freaking out.
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: greek4 September 09, 2005, 01:32:52 PM
there is an IW mix on petfinder. 
http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=5047021&adTarget=&SessionID=4321e32b08113997-app1&display=&preview=1&row=75&tmpl=&stat=
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: Nicole September 09, 2005, 01:41:11 PM
OOOH! He's TOO CUTE! I want him!
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: brigid67 September 09, 2005, 01:46:10 PM
oh god - nicole..I don't know how you can resist..  I wuld have surley put one in my pocket and walked out....I hate petstores and puppy mills.  And I have never bought from a petstore. and I know it is wrong. And I know that by buying them that just allows the horrible thing to continue....I know all of this....But in my heart I know if I can give just one pup, who came from such a horrible place and maybe going back, a safe loving home that it just makes the world a tiny bit nicer....

That Iw on petfinder is so cute....  I really need a female though..my male pom is to alpha for another male - I think...any thoughts/suggestions on that?
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: ZooCrew September 09, 2005, 02:04:41 PM
What a cute puppy that is.  I'm curious though.  Since it was "dropped off" as they say, how do they know it's an IW mix?  I guess the owner could have left a note or something.

I was looking the other day on petfinder.  There was a dog found as a STRAY, and they said it was a briard/spinone italiano mix.  Sometimes I wonder........
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: Anky September 09, 2005, 02:20:11 PM
What a cute puppy that is.  I'm curious though.  Since it was "dropped off" as they say, how do they know it's an IW mix?  I guess the owner could have left a note or something.

I was looking the other day on petfinder.  There was a dog found as a STRAY, and they said it was a briard/spinone italiano mix.  Sometimes I wonder........

Lots of times shelters have no idea what a puppy/dog is, so they try to make an "educated" guess as to what best describes it, so that adopters who know what they want can do a search and that dog will come up there.  It's a big leggy wiry haird puppy?  Sounds like a IW.  I have to laugh though (Moni isn't it freaky that everything we talk about on the phone ends up on BPO?) because the other day we were talking about how some shelter staff know nothing about breeds and it causes issues often.  Sanity would be posted as a pitbull mix, Hobo as a shepherd mix of some sort and Araby as a Dalmation mix.  Forget the fact that all 3 of them are purebreds, alot of animal shelters don't know much about dog breeds, and as such usually use the same list of dogs and jsut add mix to the end: Lab,shepherd, collie, terrier, poodle, dalmation (If it has spots it's going to be a dalmation something), husky and retreiver.
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: brigid67 September 09, 2005, 02:21:09 PM
I wonder more then sometimes about who is classifying the dogs...not sure but sometimes I think someone needs glasses
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: ZooCrew September 09, 2005, 05:42:04 PM
wonder more then sometimes about who is classifying the dogs...not sure but sometimes I think someone needs glasses

I agree.  I guess I'm just naive in thinking that people who work with animals on a daily basis would actually know something about them.

You're right though Anky about the breed listings.  Around here, every dog is a pit/lab/rottie/aussie mix.  Don't matter what it looks like, that is what it's listed as.  I once saw what was obviously a corgi mix, maybe even a purebred, that was listed as a pit mix.  Who are these people?

I just think it's funny when they put fairly rare breeds down for a stray dog.  I just had to raise my eyebrows at the briard/spinone italiano mix.  What are the chances of not only there being that mix of dog, but finding it wandering around?  I know it's to help adopt out the dog, as alot of people like it when their dog is a rare or little known breed, I just have to shake my head when I see their new "rare" breed and tell them politely it's probably not what they think it is.

And yes, I do burst people's bubbles.  I don't care.......... .it just irritates me to no end when dogs are mislabeled.  Of course you can't ever be sure of a dog's mixed heritage, but you can be fairly sure it ain't no dingo dog.
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: AC September 09, 2005, 05:55:35 PM
For the longest time we only had 3 or 4 pet stores in and around St. John's and I cannot remember ever seeing a puppy for sale at any of them, kittens yes but never puppies. Now a larger (national chain I believe called Pets Unlimited) pet store has opened it's doors here and I was there last week and they had 9 puppies there for sale!! All small breeds in thier plexiglass "display cases". More than likely they will be bought.
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: brigid67 September 09, 2005, 06:19:03 PM
In Vegas it is the same thing every dog is a pit/lab/shepard mix..
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: Moni September 09, 2005, 08:39:09 PM

 I have to laugh though (Moni isn't it freaky that everything we talk about on the phone ends up on BPO?) because the other day we were talking about how some shelter staff know nothing about breeds and it causes issues often.

OMG  this is so funny!  I would be so scared if any of my guys got lost.  I can just imagine what they'd be labeled as.  Tenchi would probably be a dalmation x, Mojo would be a collie/ chocolate lab x, Zeo would probably be a collie/dalmation X, Kida would probably be a pomeranian X,  and Faust hopefully would be recongnised as a GSD, but who knows?  He doesn't walk on his hocks, so he'd probably be considered a mix.   ::)  And Gyrl?  Well, we're guessing that she's a lab/beagle, but who knows what she really is???  lol 

I think that all shelters should have photo references for all breeds, in and out of their show clips, they're allowed and unallowed colors and sizes.  maybe that would help them out a bit???   :-\
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: smohr September 09, 2005, 09:00:19 PM
 :P  That IW mix is SO cute.
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: Anky September 09, 2005, 09:41:29 PM
wonder more then sometimes about who is classifying the dogs...not sure but sometimes I think someone needs glasses

I agree.  I guess I'm just naive in thinking that people who work with animals on a daily basis would actually know something about them.


My pet peeve too.  I've heard of SO many cases where a lost dog ends up being put down because the shelter had it listed as "X" breed, and everytime the owner called they asked for "Y".  We had a situation a while ago.  A meddling neighbor consistently called the cops saying we were neglecting our Dalmation mix, that she was starving/emaciated ect.  Well a cop came to take Araby away.  Araby is a field type English Setter.  NOTHING LIKE A DALMATION!  She doesn't even have real spots!  She has ticking, which is totally different.  I'm trying to tell this guy this and he looks at me and says "A dalmation is supposed to weigh 80 pounds and this dog isn't even half of that!"  He kept arguing with me, telling me I made up the breed, but for some strange reason I kept my cool because I knew if I didn't they'd arrest me, and Matt was in Tennesee so Araby would have no chance of getting back home.  So as soon as the cop left I called my vet and my trainer and my dog breeder and had them all come down with me.  Vet said dog is at decent weight and that she has a liver condition so she can't process things right and it goes right through her, so even though she's a little thin, it's not from neglect.  Trainer talks about how she's an agility dog, in awesome shape, great relationship with the owners.  Breeder brings Araby's papers, her parents papers, and a breed book all about the Setter.  My baby came home within 10 minutes.

It floors (ie sickens) me that these people know so little about dogs.  They don't even know what breeds look like, much less temperament for prospective adopters!  It's why I fully support breed rescue.  I know that not all dogs are purebreds, but those that are deserve to be recognized as such, and to be sent to a home that can care for them the way that they need to be.  I'm on a bit of a tirade because a friend of mine came across a shelter that REFUSES to turn dogs over to breed specific rescues.  If that dog is adopted they'll come back 3 or 4 times, each time getting more insecure, and then they'll be put down.  Sometimes I hate shelters.


Ang
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: ZooCrew September 09, 2005, 10:07:08 PM
I hear ya there, Ang.

Another thing about mislabeling breeds is that (someone else mentioned this on another thread) if they say a dog is one breed or even a mix of breeds, the adoptive owner (provided they are somewhat clueless as well) is expecting the dog to act and behave per that breed standard.

I know of alot of shelters that aren't honest about having pit mixes.  They might label them as lab mixes.  An adopter will expect that dog to act similar to a lab, and probably won't be prepared for the challenges and special training a pit dog needs.  Dog gets returned b/c owner can't handle it.
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: GYPSY JAZMINE September 10, 2005, 12:53:07 AM
When Samson went to obedience classes at out local Humane Society I stopped in the office to say hi...They were looking thorugh a book finding what kind of dog just came in..."It looks kind of like this...or maybe this or this...O.k...g ot it!...it's a Lab/Porteguese Water Dog mix."...I swear to God that is exactly how it went!
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: brigid67 September 10, 2005, 01:34:49 AM
lol gyp - that is funny but also a little sad....I see true experts are labeling these animals
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: LaurieW September 10, 2005, 10:04:30 AM
Here's a twist on the petstore idiots.....

yesterday I made one outing (still feeling the effects of my stomach virus) to get dog food & people food....went to Petco and the Purina One for large breeds is buried under 6-7 bags of other Purina bags ... I ask for help & the girl comes & looks & says she'll have to get one of the guys & leaves....so I stand there waiting and meanwhile I get to watch the dog training class in progress.....

The "lady" teaching the class has an accent like the "nanny" on TV (aussie) - now don't get me wrong here, I've really enjoyed meeting all the other Aussies I've met...but this one!!! >:(  She yelled at the poor folks who were trying to train their dogs - no warm fuzzies for doing things right for these people or their animals!  After 5 minutes I was soooo mad I left the store!  I normally would've gone back to the original sales girl & say something like "hey, did you forget???"....but I couldn't this time! 

I went to the Petsmart down the street and the scene was totally different!  This (much younger) lady knew what she was doing, was kind to her people & their pets and I got lots of help...no less than 5 sales people asked me if I needed help......I ended up signing Lucy up ... I can train her, but I want her to get the socialization of other people & dogs, too.

The Nice lady at Petsmart not only talked to me while her "people & pets" were walking the store, but she came up & talked with me again as I checked out...... :)

A "lady" like the Nazi teacher at the first store shouldn't be allowed around people or animals! 

Sorry about sounding off....I'm still angry for those poor people & their dogs!  One poor participant was trying to get her cocker spaniel to stay by waving her hand infront of the dog's face....the dog was looking off in other directions, so of course it wasn't about to stay - it hadn't been taught to watch, first!.......I better stop, or I'll continue to rant! :P
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: GYPSY JAZMINE September 10, 2005, 12:30:16 PM
Here's a twist on the petstore idiots.....

yesterday I made one outing (still feeling the effects of my stomach virus) to get dog food & people food....went to Petco and the Purina One for large breeds is buried under 6-7 bags of other Purina bags ... I ask for help & the girl comes & looks & says she'll have to get one of the guys & leaves....so I stand there waiting and meanwhile I get to watch the dog training class in progress.....

The "lady" teaching the class has an accent like the "nanny" on TV (aussie) - now don't get me wrong here, I've really enjoyed meeting all the other Aussies I've met...but this one!!! >:(  She yelled at the poor folks who were trying to train their dogs - no warm fuzzies for doing things right for these people or their animals!  After 5 minutes I was soooo mad I left the store!  I normally would've gone back to the original sales girl & say something like "hey, did you forget???"....but I couldn't this time! 

I went to the Petsmart down the street and the scene was totally different!  This (much younger) lady knew what she was doing, was kind to her people & their pets and I got lots of help...no less than 5 sales people asked me if I needed help......I ended up signing Lucy up ... I can train her, but I want her to get the socialization of other people & dogs, too.

The Nice lady at Petsmart not only talked to me while her "people & pets" were walking the store, but she came up & talked with me again as I checked out...... :)

A "lady" like the Nazi teacher at the first store shouldn't be allowed around people or animals! 

Sorry about sounding off....I'm still angry for those poor people & their dogs!  One poor participant was trying to get her cocker spaniel to stay by waving her hand infront of the dog's face....the dog was looking off in other directions, so of course it wasn't about to stay - it hadn't been taught to watch, first!.......I better stop, or I'll continue to rant! :P
That is so sad about the teacher in the 1st class!...People REALLY CHECK OUT YOUR TRAINERS BEFORE TAKING YOUR DOG TO THEM!!...My friend Ann who is a member here had a HORRIBLE incident with a trainer...This trainer turned out to be all about force & control & actually ruptured blood vessels in one of Ann's Boxer's eye by forcing her into a down using the leash...Ann was absulutely sick, stunned, heartbroken & of coarse felt so guilty that that happened to her baby right in front fo her...She of coarse never went back & the trainer apologized & payed the vet bills...I have heard stories about trainers picking the dogs up by the leash & hanging them at the end of it when the dog wouldn't comply to a command...This does happen!...I realize the "nazi trainer" wasn't doing all of this but it just reminded me...Always find out what to expect from your trainer before you take your dog!!!!!!
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: brigid67 September 15, 2005, 03:18:19 AM
Ok Well update on the IW at the petstore - So I happened to be in the mall and stopped in at the pet store to torture myself.  The pup I thought was an IW is still there.  So I thought I would sk some questions.  They did not have a sign saying the breed although the face looks totally IW.  On closer inspection she is not going to be as big of a dog as an IW would be.  So I asked some questions and she is 5 mos old, and an Aussie-poo...lol  boy was I off.  But she has such the sweetest face anyway.  She is totally not happy.  The sweet happy face I saw a month or so ago is not the same.  Anyway, they want 418.00 for her.  I asked how long they usually keep the pups and they said about 7-8 mos.  After that the guy at the store didn't know what happened to them..he said the owner"took them somewhere".  He also told me (Iam sure to make me feel better)  that they usually didn't last that long - they were usually all sold before 7-8 mos.  It is just so sad...there were tons of dogs there - a few of them just did not look good to me at all....Wish I could just rescue them all.
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: GR8DAME September 15, 2005, 05:57:55 AM
I stick to petco, petsmart and our local feed store, none of which sell puppies or kittens. They may have a local rescue there with adoptable animals, and that is hard enough. I refuse to frequent a store that sells dogs or cats that I know are probably from mills, and will not spend a dime in them. And I wonder about the ferrets, rabbits and hamsters that are sold at the places that I do go. But you have to go somewhere...
Stella
: Re: IW still at petstore
: mamadog September 15, 2005, 07:23:41 AM
I can happily report that the last time I went to the mall (which is not very often) the pet store has been closed!!!! No more will i have to hear those cute little puppies crying when I walk by. And no more temptation!!

Vicki
: Re: IW still at petstore
: brigid67 September 15, 2005, 08:13:15 AM
I don't ever buy anything in the puppy stores.  Everything is bought at petco and/or petsmart.  This place is in the mall..I hate it.  We have a couple others around that sell puppies only...so sad.  This place has quite a bit of animals...tons of cats, puppies, birds etc and the store is kind of small.