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: Totally off topic - LOST anyone?
: GrumpyBunny September 22, 2005, 04:00:46 AM
OK, anybody love LOST like I do?  Anybody watch it last night?  Anybody have any thoughts on.....

How Jack remembered a guy that he met, like, for two minutes about 10 years ago? 

The significance of the hatch saying "QUARANTINED" on the inside, when it can only be opened from the inside?

Why Hurley was in a mental hospital?

Whether that was really Walt, Walt's ghost, or a psychic projection of Walt in the forest? 

(BTW, that whole scene with Walt freaked me out!  Hold me, Sawyer.....    :D)
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: mamadog September 22, 2005, 04:05:22 AM
Hold me Sawyer??!!!  Too funny!
My husband got me hooked on Lost, and neither of us are t.v. people, but we make it a point to catch this show.
I can't wait for next week when supposedly we will find out what happened to the rafters, and everyone else. I love this show. Love it!!! (We LOVE Sarah!!)

Vicki
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: Anky September 22, 2005, 04:22:03 AM
STOP TALKING ABOUT LOST!   Matt's mom works at Blockbuster.  As such we get to see movies for a week before they come out (We can watch them for no charge from the minute they get checked into the store), but when they do come out we can't see them for a month, or we'd have to *GASP* pay for them.  Well I'd never seen LOST and Matt's mom brought the First Season DVDs home.  Remember I only get to stay there for a day or two at a time.  First season is split into either 5,6 or 7 DVDs.  Can't remember, not that it matters because I only got to see the first TWO!  I am totally obsessed now and I HATE not understanding new stuff.  Can't wait to finish watching the rest so I can enjoy the new episodes. 
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: GR8DAME September 22, 2005, 04:56:13 AM
Sorry Ang.
We love Lost, and tune in every week for our fix. If one of the kids are inconsiderate enough to have a hockey game or school function it gets taped for later viewing. Wouldn't miss it.
Stella
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: GrumpyBunny September 22, 2005, 05:03:22 AM
STOP TALKING ABOUT LOST!   Matt's mom works at Blockbuster.  As such we get to see movies for a week before they come out (We can watch them for no charge from the minute they get checked into the store), but when they do come out we can't see them for a month, or we'd have to *GASP* pay for them.  Well I'd never seen LOST and Matt's mom brought the First Season DVDs home.  Remember I only get to stay there for a day or two at a time.  First season is split into either 5,6 or 7 DVDs.  Can't remember, not that it matters because I only got to see the first TWO!  I am totally obsessed now and I HATE not understanding new stuff.  Can't wait to finish watching the rest so I can enjoy the new episodes. 

Ang, the Blockbuster thing rocks, huh?  I used to work at the zone office of Blockbuster and we would get previews of the movies from the studios, as enticement to stock them in the stores.  It was all fun and games til a bad experience with a preview copy of "The Blair Witch Project"....

OK, enough of that!  Sorry, Ang, but I gotta talk about it!

Here is another thought - I used to like Charlie, but now he is starting to bug me.  Is anyone else finding themselves unreasonably annoyed by him?  And is that on purpose (i.e. specifically done by the writers for a reason)? 

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: shangrila September 22, 2005, 06:12:17 AM
We LOVE Lost at my house. In fact, I am ironically rewatching last night's dvr at this very moment.

Here are my thoughts about your questions...An y, you might not want to read the rest of this post ;)

It does not suprise me that jack remembered that guy. It may have only been for a few minutes and it may have been years ago, but it was on the night of one of the most crucial events in jack's life. That lasy that jack operates on goes on to be his wife, and the fact that she can walk is a miracle. The night that jack did her operation, met that guy, and then found out she wasn't paralyzed afterall would deffinately be burnt into his memory.... What I want to know is the guys role: is it a coincidence that he met jack, or is it related to him being on the island? And has that guy met the other survivors?

I too think it is weird that the 'quarantined' is written on the inside of the hatch - what is supposed to be the quarantine, the hatch, or the rest of the island. I think it is the hatch that is supposed to be the quarantine, and that there is another entrance to the cave. What I really want to know though is what that guy was shooting in his arm.

I am not sure about hurley and the hospital. Last season when they showed that I thought that he has been and orderly, but last night it implied he was a patient. I am sure we will learn more about it in his next flashback episode.

I think that it was really Walt that was in the jungle. I think this because he was soaking wet and he whispered to her. I think he escaped the pirates in the ocean and that is why he is wet, and now he is hiding from them. I have replayed his whispering a couple times and I am not sure, but I think he says "I have something they want" and then something else I have no clue about. Remember walt has weird physchic powers or something about, which we know from the bird and the polar bear and a few other examples. If any castaway has a weird physic thing going on, it is deffinately walt.


I don't find charlie particularly annoying. I think he is going through a hard time because he is struggling with his drug addiction still (he thought he was through with withdrawl, but then he found those drugs on the plane and that meant another internal struggle) and also he is maturing and turning himself into a very protective  father figure for the baby with is really hard for a former permanent screw up.
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: Anky September 22, 2005, 06:28:36 AM
Great!  Now you guys have me on teh site reading through recaps!   >:(
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: ZooCrew September 22, 2005, 06:46:32 AM
AAARRRRGGGHHH!!! 

I missed it last night!!  In fact, I may have to start taping it.  I have choir practice on Wed nights, and won't get home until 9:30 or so, 1/2 way thru the show.   :'(  :'(  :'(
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: Anky September 22, 2005, 10:42:18 PM
I finished all the recaps.  That sucked :(  But now I know what everyone's talking about!  They didn't have recaps of the new season though so I'm gonna have to hobble on that. 
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: GrumpyBunny September 23, 2005, 12:00:40 AM
I might have to check them out.  I just checked and I can rent them from Blockbuster online (which I love, love, love, love, love) and it would probably give my hubbie a break from my endless nights of watching MST3K movies and shorts LOL. 

Heh heh, The Chicken of Tomorrow!  (singing) "Eat and grow, forever..."  I love that one and the cheating one...  "I will bring you down, Billy!"

Julie, your ideas aren't that far out there....  We know that the monster is the island's "security system", but what is it protecting?  If your theory was correct, maybe it is protecting the boundaries of the experiment...  But what about The Black Rock?  How does that play in?  How long has the experiment been going on? 

I just hope that whatever the eventual outcome is, it isn't wholly scientific.  I just think it would be cool if it had at least some kind of supernatural element to it.  The one thing that still makes me think there might be some of that floating around is Locke's reaction when he saw the monster.  He was in awe.  And then, when he described it to Jack, he said something to the effect of "I have looked into the eye (heart?) of this island, and what I saw was beautiful."  That doesn't seem like something he would say about something scientific, especially since he is a self-proclaimed "man of faith". 

I really have no clue what all is going on, but I can't wait to find out - I am totally hooked.  And, BTW, I didn't even have it all that badly for Sawyer all last season.  OK, maybe a little bit.   :D  But when he was on the raft with his Last Samurai hairdo and his super angry, brooding look when they tried to take Walt, I was like (insert Butthead voice) "Come to Marsi..."    ;D
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: Anky September 23, 2005, 12:36:59 AM
In my opinion Locke is getting skrewy and selfish.  Before (Even from the episodes I actally SAW) he was trying to help people and bring them all together, getting Charlie off of drugs, finding Vincent but letting it look like Michael did it.  Now it all seems to be about him.  And I think the monster knows it.  Note how last time Locke had an encounter with it, he actually started to run because he knew it was pissed.  I almost wish that he had gone down the hole because I REALLY want to know what this monster thing is. 

As for Man flesh..... I dunno I'm having a hard time deciding
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: GR8DAME September 23, 2005, 02:25:45 AM
And don't forget, Locke has the mnost to lose by solving the mystery of the island. He was in a wheelchair on the plane, and miraculously "cured" by the island...Nothi ng is for free, and if the island giveth, the island can taketh away. I don't think he can be trusted.
Stella
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: pndlake September 23, 2005, 02:48:27 AM
BooHoo, you are all talking about Blockbuster.  Well, we started the video rental business - us independent retailers.  Niki worked in our store delivering movies to people.  Then --- they opened a Blockbuster next door and even though it was never a better deal, just they had the advertising dollars so people went to them like sheep.  Then Niki got put out of work and there are hardly any independent video store retailers left, at least where I live.  Sorry, all, I am just venting when I hear the name Blockbuster.   :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Thanks for letting me vent.  Niki and I do volunteer work but it is still not the same.

Peggy
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: GrumpyBunny September 23, 2005, 05:38:26 AM
And don't forget, Locke has the mnost to lose by solving the mystery of the island. He was in a wheelchair on the plane, and miraculously "cured" by the island...Nothi ng is for free, and if the island giveth, the island can taketh away. I don't think he can be trusted.
Stella

I think you are right.  I love me some Locke (especially when he is being warm, wise, kind, twinkly-eyed Locke), but I think he would do almost anything to keep the use of his legs. 

Remember, he actually started to have problems with them right before Boone's death, and that freaked him out big time.  And, yes, his somewhat casual response to Boone's death and the comment, "The island demanded a sacrifice..." are a little creepy in that same vein.  It is almost like, "Hmmmm, Boone is a nice kid and all, but he looks pretty expendable, and I sure do like this walking thing..." 

I wonder if we will eventually find out how Locke came to be in the wheelchair - I think that may tell us a lot. 

Terry O'Quinn sure is a great actor though. 
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: Rocky's 'Rents September 23, 2005, 07:57:14 AM
Marsi,

Good point about the the look of awe on Locke's face and the length of time...It's so weird. I'm with you. I'd be bummed if it were *all* scientific. I just love that show. As for our beautiful Sawyer, I love that angry look, too. You know that little round muscle guys get on their jaw when they are mad or clenching their teeth?  Yeah, he does that very well. Swoonnnnn. 

Julie
I'm guessing you guys are in the "love those bad boys" club!!! ::) When I was a teenager my dad used to call it "bringing home strays" If you were an upstanding citizen, I wasn't interested!!  I agree, the show is captivating and the writers do a great job of keeping you guessing. Good job w/ the special effects too.
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: ZooCrew September 23, 2005, 10:12:31 AM
I think Lock is starting to get jungle fever or something.  He almost seems to be going mad, especially since he got SO obsessed about the hatch.

And sorry ladies, but I don't find Sawyer all that attractive.  I did like Charlie in the beginning (was my favorite Hobbit ya know), but he's turned all weird now.   :P
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: shangrila October 07, 2005, 04:11:39 AM
Now that we know what the island is, what do you guys think about it? And how do you feel about the whole execute button thing?

What do you think is going to happen with the group holding the raft guys captive?

do you think jin can really speak english or he just says that one line in the next episode?

 
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: ZooCrew October 07, 2005, 04:18:42 AM
Since I now have to tape all the shows b/c I have a meeting when it is on  :'(  :'( I have missed a bit and need to catch up.  But here is what I think:

Not sure about the execute button.  The film did not give any clues as to why they must push the button (which really annoyed me since Desmond said the film would answer their questions).    Where are the other stations?  I think it said there were 3.  Are the other two on the island also?  Are the "others" just people who've gone mad watching the other stations?  Why did Desmod wonder if everyone had gotten sick.  Were there more people there at one point that did get sick?

I'm not sure about the "others" that have the rafters held captive.  I am curious as to how Jin made it to shore, unless the boat picked him up somewhere.  Hubby picked up right away about the girl and said she was bait and with the other people.

Jin is smart.  Since he spoke the line w/no accent (that I could pick up in the short blip it had), I would say he's been able to speak it the whole time, although that doesn't make much sense since he takes so long to figure out what anyone is talking about.

I guess I'm not much help.  I can never figure out anything on these kinds of shows.  Hubby picks up on them right away.  You watch any kind of mystery show or murder show and right away he knows who did it and why.   :P
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: Anky October 07, 2005, 04:32:28 AM
Where are the other stations?  I think it said there were 3. 
There are 6 total, that's just station #3

Are the other two on the island also?  Are the "others" just people who've gone mad watching the other stations? 
I don't know about the others, the tape was made in the ummm awww crap 60s or 70s.  The French woman was there for 16 years so it's plausible, but a bit too cut and dried for me.
Why did Desmod wonder if everyone had gotten sick.  Were there more people there at one point that did get sick?
I think Jack pointed out that "Don't you think that they just put Quarantine on the hatch to keep you down here?"  maybe they brain washed them to think that the only place they were safe was in the hatch.  Or the island is radio aactive or contaminated ro something

Jin is smart.  Since he spoke the line w/no accent (that I could pick up in the short blip it had), I would say he's been able to speak it the whole time, although that doesn't make much sense since he takes so long to figure out what anyone is talking about.
I think him and Mike have been talkign long enough that he could figure at least that much out.


My grandmother is very upset that Hurley isn't losing weight.  Thankfully they came up with a way he didn't have to! :)  The kids are always in the back of my mind, what're they using them for?  What about the animals?  The Monster?  The Pirates had nothing to do with the other plane survivors or with the hatch, where do they come into play?  AGHHHH 
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: GrumpyBunny October 07, 2005, 04:34:52 AM
I have to say that overall I am quite pleased with the first three eps of this season.  It answered our questions in a way that didn't really answer them, if you know what I mean, but I am ok with that.  I loved all the revelations that we did get, and I am hooked in even deeper...

I am not convinced that the "Others" that Michael, Jin and Sawyer (MiJiSa!) met are the real "Others".  I think they are the survivors from the tail who think that MiJiSa are "Others".  That would mean that there are other "Others" and I don't know who those people are....  Although, I have heard some theories floating around about the guy with the beard from the boat and the woman looking like older versions of a couple of the scientists from the orientation film...  Who was Ethan?  Another scientist?

I don't know about Jin speaking English.  It would be very frustrating to get worked up over it and discover that it is a dream sequence, or that they just couldn't sub-title the promo or something...  But, I agree, it seems like he has had trouble understanding English, and you think that in times of stress, more than a word or two might have slipped out.  If he did get a boat ride back to shore, what does that mean?  Is he an "Other"?  Michael and Sawyer did drift around out there for a little bit before finally floating back to the island, so I guess Jin could have swam directly back... But doesn't it seem weird that he wouldn't float around looking for Mike and Sawyer for awhile?  And that he would have gotten back quickly enough to be taken captive and escaped, all before they got to shore?

I don't really know what will happen if they stop entering the numbers and pushing the execute button.  I don't know if I believe it is a fake or an experiment or what.  Remember it is supposedly a precaution put into place after an "incident" on the island, so if it is a hoax, wouldn't the "incident" have to have been too...?

So confused, but so loving it!...
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: Anky October 07, 2005, 04:41:42 AM

I don't really know what will happen if they stop entering the numbers and pushing the execute button.  I don't know if I believe it is a fake or an experiment or what.  Remember it is supposedly a precaution put into place after an "incident" on the island, so if it is a hoax, wouldn't the "incident" have to have been too...?

So confused, but so loving it!...


Ooooo Maybe, the code keeps something at bay or contained?  Like something bad happened, either monster or experiment or whatever.  And the code is like a constant vigilance thing.  And explosion is TOO cheesy and if that's it I will never ever watch Lost again!
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: NoDogNow October 07, 2005, 04:58:51 AM
I love this show, I have loved it since the first minute, when the Golden Retriever ran over the guy laying on the ground--it left me as disoriented as that guy was--and I love that I really don't know that much more about what's going on now than I did then!  Oh, I know that the guy is Jack, and the dog is Vincent-but for everything that gets solved, 10 more questions open up.

Now: at least one of the other stations is where Sayid found Danielle, the Crazy Frenchwoman.

My PERSONAL theory about the Others is that they're somehow related to the Black Rock--maybe a pirate crew that got stranded there--and who were carrying some kind of communicable disease.

It's clear that there have been a LOT of different points of contact on the island--the Black Rock landed people, 30 years ago the Dharma people came, Danielle (who may not be part of the Dharma group, just using their station for shelter) and her group who were all infected, Desmond crashed his boat--so there's something deeper than just this Dharma Initiative going on, and I think it would be a mistake to assume that we know who all the players are yet. 


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: GrumpyBunny October 13, 2005, 01:57:08 AM
Julie, I absolutely cried at that part, and kept going right through Shannon feeding Vincent the potato chips and hugging him, up to everyone loving on Hurley for bringing them the food. 

Bernard introduces an interesting dynamic - the tail section survivors seem very suspicious about the other survivors (and apparently they have some basis for fear seeing as The Others have apparently done horrible things to all but about 6 of them) and very unwilling to trust them. 

But now they have at least one guy in their group that is really going to be pulling for them all to join up....  Which I think they probably will at some point, otherwise how will you achieve your Kate-Jack-Sawyer-Ana Lucia love triangle? 
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: shangrila October 13, 2005, 02:03:51 AM
I am really happy for Rose. Eventhough she was never a big part of the show, I always liked her, and now I am sure she is going to get her husband back :)

I think that the tail section people will join the original group, but I think there will be a fracture between 'hatch' people and 'beach' people
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: lilysmom October 13, 2005, 02:10:56 AM
Have any of you figured out what the execute button is for?  Do you know why they have to push it?  Do you know why the hatch said quarantine inside?  do you know why he asked if anyone had gotten sick?   I do, he he he.  Want to know?
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: GrumpyBunny October 13, 2005, 02:11:32 AM
I am happy for Rose too - I just think it is cool that she always knew Bernard was alive...
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: NoDogNow October 13, 2005, 02:38:42 AM
done horrible things to all but about 6 of them

I''ll have to rewind and try to count, but I'll bet that there are eight of them. 

Because they started with 23--one of Hurley's numbers. 

And if there are 8, then they've lost 15--both Hurley's numbers. 

JJA and DL have said that Rose will be a lot more involved in this second season; she's apparently quite significant to the overall arc. 

I loved Hurley already, but didn't your heart just break for him?  And I thought his solution of a beach barbecue was completely inspired. 

But consider this:  Do you think the nutty guy Hurley got the numbers from in the asylum might have been The Guy Desmond Replaced? 

Because I think there's a way both ON and OFF this island.  That store room looked pretty full of food, yet Hurley said the inventory would only have fed Desmond for another 3 months--if that amount of food filled up the room that much, then somewhere along the line, there's been RESUPPLY.  Desmond may not have made any contact--in fact, SHOULDN'T have made contact, given that he was in quarantine--but supplies could have been brought to the island, left in the "front door" area, and Desmond could have brought them into the storage room from there. 

IF my crazy theory holds, then the Nut in the Hospital that Hurley learned the numbers from escaped from the island with a resupply group, and that means that there is probably a resupply ship COMING BACK. 

Maybe the RESUPPLY people are the OTHERS.

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: shangrila October 13, 2005, 02:48:00 AM
But consider this:  Do you think the nutty guy Hurley got the numbers from in the asylum might have been The Guy Desmond Replaced? 
I had that same thought. I believe that the asylum guy was deffinately involved in the island and got off somehow
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: GR8DAME October 13, 2005, 03:16:53 AM
If you subscribe to the theory that Hurley's mental friend was involved in that station, wouldn't the next leap be that the others (that took walt) are the survivors from the other stations? They have now gone insane and are treating the plane survivors like lab rats, theirs to torture and kill in the name of science? They steal the children as a form of procreation, since majority of them seem to be male? Just a shot in the dark. ???
Stella
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: Anky October 13, 2005, 04:35:59 AM
If you subscribe to the theory that Hurley's mental friend was involved in that station, wouldn't the next leap be that the others (that took walt) are the survivors from the other stations? They have now gone insane and are treating the plane survivors like lab rats, theirs to torture and kill in the name of science? They steal the children as a form of procreation, since majority of them seem to be male? Just a shot in the dark. ???
Stella

But then wouldn't they just take female kids?  I mean Walt is a boy, I can't remember if Danielle's baby Alex was a boy or a girl, and I think Claire's baby was a boy.
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: NoDogNow October 13, 2005, 04:48:23 AM
They aren't after Walt because of his gender. 

They're after Walt because of his 'talent'.  There's something 'psi' going on with the kid.  Think back--the bird that flew into the window when he was reading about it, the polar bear showing up when he was reading about it; picking up the knife throwing from Locke so fast--that stepfather, Brian told Michael that he wanted him to come take Walt home because there was something strange about him.  I'll bet we get a flashback sometime soon that shows Walt being mad at his mother, and she dies in an accident.

Remember, this place was established to do research, including on human subjects and communities.  There's no way they leave out the whole psi thing from their plan. 

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: shangrila October 13, 2005, 04:48:58 AM
I can't remember if Danielle's baby Alex was a boy

It was a boy
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: GR8DAME October 13, 2005, 05:34:29 AM
Not literally to procreate with... but to train.Like Magician's Alcolytes, Like cabin boys were on the high seas. LOL I musta put that way badly. Sorry the thought process wasn't clear.
I didn't consider the psi thing in there, tho.
Stella
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: ZooCrew October 13, 2005, 09:40:31 AM
Whew, I can finally read this thread........ ......I have to copy Lost and watch it the next day since I have practice during the show.   :-[

I too thought that maybe the "others" are the people watching the other stations and have gone mad. 

I'm wondering how long it will be before the groups reunite.  You know they are going to drag that out.  If the others were killing off the tail people, why did they stick around there?  Why not move to another part of the island?  The others haven't killed anyone from the front half of the plane.

How big is the island really?  It must be huge for no one to really have run into each other yet, or seen signs of each other.  And these others........ ........I believe it mentioned last season that they were returning or they're coming or something, which leads me to believe they were either not on the island the whole time, or perhaps were inside one of the stations.  Where were they before?  Do they move from station to station, or island to island?

I'm not very good at this guessing what will happen next stuff.  But I guess it lets me be surprised as to what happens next.
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: MustLove Dogs October 13, 2005, 10:09:28 AM
Well, I didn't watch last season, and I missed one of this season's episodes, but here are my thoughts...

NoDog, maybe it isn't a ship that gives them food, maybe it's delivered by plane and is just dropped off.

And maybe, like Jack said, this whole execute button thing is a whole big mind game. Maybe the others are monitoring them... making them live in fear... kinda similar to "The Village"...

But I have no idea what happened last season, so I dunno if I'm off or not  :P



and what's with this polar bear???
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: ZooCrew October 13, 2005, 10:31:29 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, did any of you notice (probably did, everyone seems to be much more aware than I am of things........ ..lol) that on the film that Jack and Locke watched there were polar bears?  I'm not quite sure what that has to do with what the point of the stations.  From my understanding, and I could be remembering wrong, they were for the scientists to live in to research and live in a eutopian environment.  Why would they need polar bears?  Did the incident mentioned in the movie have anything to do with the polar bears?  Perhaps the monster is a horribly mutated polar bear that they did genetic tests on............ ....lol   ;D  ;D

And what exactly are Sayed(sp?) and Jack looking for?  Why do they want to get thru the concrete?  For all they know, it could have something to do with why there was quarantine.
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: lilysmom October 13, 2005, 11:44:53 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, did any of you notice (probably did, everyone seems to be much more aware than I am of things........ ..lol) that on the film that Jack and Locke watched there were polar bears?  I'm not quite sure what that has to do with what the point of the stations.  From my understanding, and I could be remembering wrong, they were for the scientists to live in to research and live in a eutopian environment.  Why would they need polar bears?  Did the incident mentioned in the movie have anything to do with the polar bears?  Perhaps the monster is a horribly mutated polar bear that they did genetic tests on............ ....lol   ;D  ;D

And what exactly are Sayed(sp?) and Jack looking for?  Why do they want to get thru the concrete?  For all they know, it could have something to do with why there was quarantine.

Anyone want to hear my crazy theory?  I spend way too much time thinking about this. 

The original test sight was compromised years before by a radioactive materials spill.  Hence the 8' thick concrete.  The island in turn became a very large magnetic field.   Thus jamming radar and attracting planes towards the island.  The old man in the video was the crazy man in the loony bin.  He saw and lived through a little too much.  He was reciting the numbers that identified the quarantined bunker over and over.  The bunker was quarantined due to the radioactive material and hurley's partner eventually died from exposure.  Hurley was taking daily shots which I think was to prevent him from getting sick due to exposure.  That is possibly why he was running so quick from the bunker.  The "others" IMO are some of the former scientists that were exposed and left to live on the island to avoid mass contamination.  One of the side effects to radiation poisoning is halucinations and altering of the mind.  So basically everyone on the island has been exposed.  I still have a few details to work out, but I'm beginning to think that this island was an experiment gone very wrong. 

One more thing, I think the execute button is a self detination device.  I think that they timed that it would take approximately 108 min. to fully escape the island.  Just a guess though.
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: NoDogNow October 14, 2005, 04:21:08 AM
I think the polar bears were just ONE of the species that the film showed that they were planning to do research on--it wasn't mean't to necessarily be Utopia, but just an research community that wasn't anywhere near any "people" to complain about them. 

Sayid told Jack that the only time he'd ever seen concreting like that was at Cherynobyl, so I can go with some kid of nuclear power plant.  But I don't think that totally dead--after all, it's powering the bunker. 

The code/execute button is a dead man switch, I think, rather than a detenator.  Whatever power source is under the concrete is set to blow up only if they DON'T put in the code and push the button every 108 minutes.

You noticed, didn't you, that 108 is what all the other numbers add up to right?

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: lilysmom October 14, 2005, 11:34:26 AM
what if.....they were doing genetic experiments on the island and something went wrong?  Wouldn't that explain why a polar bear could live in a tropical atmosphere?  What if they started doing the experiments on humans and something happened?  Maybe that's another theory.  I don't know, but I can't wait for Wed. to find out more.
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: shangrila October 17, 2005, 08:00:17 AM
My boyfriend and I were talking about it and we decided that the 'incident' could be related to the 'black rock'. Those pirates had to land on the island sometime, and if they did it and attacked the staff, maybe that was the 'incident' that made them decide staff has to constantly check in. If this is the case, maybe the medicine is to prevent black plauge or scurvy or whatever diseases pirates might carry.

Our other theory is that the 'incident' had to do with radiation exploding or something, and the medicine is to prevent radiation poisoning.
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: NoDogNow October 18, 2005, 07:42:13 AM
Well...I've been watching my DVD's, and I'm not altogether sure that the Black Rock is necessarily a pirate ship anymore.

Here comes my obsession with Patrick O'Brian novels now...

See, it LOOKS like a two-decker ship, and I counted at least 6 gunports on the parts that we saw, which is only about the back third or less lof the ship, and which would be matched on the opposing side. 

If my estimate is correct, the Black Rock is at least the equivalent of a 5th rate ship of the line, with perhaps as many as 42 guns, not counting any stern chasers, and a minimum of 34 guns/cannons.

Pirates were rarely that big during the age of sail, because of the number of men required to CREW a ship that size--nearly 230 at full complement.  Pirates tended to run cutters and smaller ships that were overgunned in order to keep the booty shares down.

So my guess is that this is a Royal Navy vessel that was sold out in ordinary and put to work as a transport or a merchant vessel.  Merchant would make more sense given that there was dynamite--there's no reason for a transport to be carrying dynamite, much less a navy vessel,  even one sailing under a letter of marque.

And merchants VERY often carried women aboard, whereas Navy ships didn't, which is critical.

If the Others are related to the Black Rock, they've been there for at least 100 years, perhaps as long as 180.

Unless of course, the set designer just though this was a cool looking ship, in which case NONE of this applies...

I'm SO Lost.

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: MustLove Dogs October 18, 2005, 09:19:56 AM
Blast... I'm not going to be able to watch for a couple of weeks  :(

You're all gonna hafta keep me posted!!!  ;D
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: lilysmom October 18, 2005, 10:05:28 AM
I thought that ship belonged to the french woman and that crew of scientists that got stranded there?  Didn't she say it ran aground?  That's how she knew where to find the dynamite.
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: shangrila October 19, 2005, 09:58:48 AM
Alright y'all, let's talk about this weeks episode... any thoughts?
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: Anky October 19, 2005, 10:17:50 AM
I have a wuestion.  Why didn't they say "Next week?"  They said "In three weeks"  Are we not going to have LOST until then?
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: MustLove Dogs October 19, 2005, 10:32:50 AM
I missed it tonight... what happened?!?
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: NoDogNow November 09, 2005, 05:05:58 PM
LOST HAS RETURNED. 

I'm a suspicious sort.  I'm not convinced that:

1--Shannon is even dead.  I think she may just be shot. 

2--That Ana Lucia shot her.  It didnt' look at all to me as if Sayid were looking at the whole group of Tailies+Raftes--he seemed to only be looking at one person.

I think the "cast away lost forever" might be that dark haired Tailie chick. 

I'll be kinda mad if it's Shannon.  If it's Shannon, there won't be anymore Boone flashbacks!

In other news,  does Jack have any antibiotics left?  Or is he going to have to cut off Sawyer's arm, do you think?

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: MustLove Dogs November 10, 2005, 12:38:51 AM
BLAST! I missed it again! But I'll hopefully will be able to see it next week!!


Fill me in peeps!  ;D
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: shangrila November 10, 2005, 12:13:02 PM
BLAST! I missed it again! But I'll hopefully will be able to see it next week!!


Fill me in peeps!  ;D

This is the recap from televisionwith outpity.com . They do amusing recaps.

So Lost's going to kill off one of the characters tonight, is it? Who could it be? Could it be Sawyer, who keeps collapsing as the Tailaways trek to the other side of the island? Could it be Cindy or Libby or Abby or Gabby or whoever the h*ll that Tailaway is who suddenly disappears? Or could it be the character the show spends an hour makin' all sympathetic? Well, as sympathetic as you can make a spoiled princess. When Shannon's rich daddy dies and she gets no money, she stops being spoiled by her heartless stepmom, and is forced to make it on her own. And we all know how that turns out -- with her scamming her stepbrother by taking advantage of his feelings for her. Shannon, please let us know when we're supposed to feel sorry for you. Sayid's definitely on board the Love Shannon Express, having spent a few minutes making her the nicest tent on the island, and he tells Shannon he loves her. So much for Nadia, I guess. Shannon sees Walt again and goes chasing off into the jungle after him, in yet another of her You-Think-I'm-A-Joke?-Well-I'll-Show-You storylines. And she sees Walt again, and this time it appears that Sayid sees him too, although I'm not convinced that Sayid didn't just say he did, trying to calm a hysterical Shannon.
The Tailways' journey involves MacGyvering this amazing stretcher to carry Sawyer, and Michael finally asks what happened with the Others, and Ana-Lucia says the Others snatched up many of the crash survivors, which doesn't really tell us a lot, since that's kind of what we guessed, isn't it? Anyway, Ana-Lucia says the Others are dangerous, and one bullet in one gun ain't gonna stop them.

Maybe she shouldn't have mentioned the gun, because everyone knows that when you introduce a gun in the first act, it must go off in the third. And when Shannon goes running off into the bushes again, that single bullet from an on-edge Ana-Lucia is certainly enough to send a gut-shot Shannon back into the arms of her redemptive new love. Sayid no like Ana-Lucia. Sayid no like Ana-Lucia at all.
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: GrumpyBunny November 10, 2005, 12:57:09 PM
Shangrila, I absolutely LOVE Television Without Pity!
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: MustLove Dogs November 10, 2005, 01:23:22 PM
LOL, thanks!
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: NoDogNow November 10, 2005, 04:37:31 PM
Shangrila, I absolutely LOVE Television Without Pity!

I think there is almost nothing better than TWoP.  The snark, the snap, the bitterness...

There's very little bitterness around here.  TWoP provides the RDA of the bitter for your sense of humor's sake.

And me no like Ana Lucia either, even if she really DIDN'T shoot Shannon.  It would be far too straightforwar d for her to have shot Shannon, and I don't think that JA and DL would do it. 

Something sneaky is going on, I betcha...



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: NoDogNow January 10, 2006, 06:50:14 PM
Bumping, BECAUSE IT'S BACK!  I don't know how I'm going to stand it until 9 pm. 

Apparently, Kate is going to be cutting Sawyer's scraggly hair, which means....

SHIRTLESS SAWYER!  (All women drool together.  Men, ignore us.

I don't htink it's Walt on the computer.  Even if the Others have a computer, why would Walt type on it?  The kid's 10!  He's never seen a non-GUI operated computer in his life.  What would make him type on it??

I don't think it's Walt. 

In other news...Any GH people here?  I just read that Robert Scorpio will be returning to the canvas. 

Hope he kicks Sonny's @ss. 

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: GrumpyBunny January 10, 2006, 07:05:44 PM
No way, Robert Scorpio?  That is back in the day!  Is that same guy playing him, wasn't it Tristan something?  That is cool.  But, I do kinda like Sonny.  Or at least I did.  I don't know what he has been up to lately...

I can not wait for LOST tonight.  I am just barely hanging on....
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: NoDogNow January 10, 2006, 08:06:11 PM
Tristan Rogers.  Other girls were having their adolescent fantasies over Rick Springfield--me, I was ALL about Tristan Rogers. 

Who could resist that Aussie accent?  Tristan/Robert was really the FIRST of the Aussie imports--Mel Gibson didn't hit the media with The Road Warrior until more than a year after Robert started steaming up the GH screen with Tiffany. 

Sonny...Well.. .

I love Maurice Benard as an actor, and he makes Sonny as a character appealing. 

But I HATE the mob story. 

I was a HARD CORE GH girl.  Started watching it because my MOM watched it, and remember clearly laying on the couch pretending to be sick, watching Steve and Audrey's wedding--the 2nd one, that lasted. The first cursing I ever learned was 'that son of a b**ch Phil Brewer'--I thought it was all one long word--I've never been able to watch poor Roy Thinnes in ANYTHING without hating him for being so terrible to Jessie. 

I remember when Leslie found out Laura wasn't dead; and when Laura killed David Hamilton and Leslie went to jail for her.

I remember when the Alan was the only Quartermaine in town, and Monica was still having an affair with Richard Dean Anderson. 

My parents bought their first VCR just so I could timeshift GH. 

I remember exactly what happened between Luke and Laura.  I had the tape from that day for a long, long time. 

Luke's first mob story was...differen t.  Gloria Monty shifted the whole tone of the show with Luke as a character, and she used the mob connection to do it. 

But she got Luke out of the mob.  Not realistically--OK, the Ice Princess was probably the 3rd most ridiculous plot ever on a soap, surpassed only by Viki's trip to Heaven and Marlena's trip to h*ll.  But that 'adventure/mystery' element that Gloria Monty brought to daytime with Luke and Robert--well, it saved the soaps.

But since Pratt and Guza started with their ridiculous "Sonny the Saintly Mobster" stories--I've just had less and less and less interest in what's been going on.  I finally gave up when Laura went crazy.  If those people were SO STUPID as to give up Genie Francis as Laura and focus on Carly the Harlot? 

I just don't need it. 

I will give Robert a chance.  Only because I want to see him with Robin. 

No, Robin didn't lure me back.  Because they've got her involved in SONNY'S bloody story. 

I'm not interested in Sonny's mob crap.  He's even absorbed the CASADINES. 

I will give Robert a chance.  But I doubt I go back to GH as long as Pratt and Guza are writing it.  They SUCK.

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: GrumpyBunny January 11, 2006, 11:42:44 AM
I remember when the Alan was the only Quartermaine in town, and Monica was still having an affair with Richard Dean Anderson. 
Remember when Alan was trying to kill Monica?  Those were the good old days....

Lost was good too.  I don't care what he has done - I love Mr. Eko!
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: NoDogNow January 11, 2006, 02:47:33 PM
Alan was trying to kill Monica

All three times! 

I especially loved the roof scheme that landed on Alan's own head.  Not that I blamed him for wanting to kill her.  It was bad enough that she was sleeping with Rick while she was married to Jeff.  But to KEEP sleeping with Rick after she'd married Prince Charming (do you remember Stuart Damon in Cinderella?) was just beyond the pale as far as I was concerned.  I never blamed Alan for any of his affairs; Monica started it, and while tit for tat might be childish IRL, it makes for good soap opera.

I love Mr. Eko!

I do too.  Because even with all the bad warlordy things he was up to, he had good underlying reasons --saving his brother to begin with, getting the drugs out of his OWN country, which has trouble enough as it is--he was caught in a web that he wasn't entirely responsible for.  And I totally take the psalm at the end of as a rejection of everything he was before, and of taking responsibility moving forward. 

WHAT THE CRAP WAS IN THE CLOUD????

I have a theory why it STAYED a cloud--I think somehow it reads what you're scared of and manifests that, some kind of nanotechnology-hologram thing--but what was IN it?  Because that cloud is what Locke was talking about when he told Jack that he'd looked into the heart of the Island and it was beautiful.  And I couldn't tell what it was.  Any clues?

Charlie isn't hoarding the Virgin Marys for the smack.  The real mystery about the heroin  is why Charlie didn't tell Jack about it, when he knows Jack's short on pharmaceutical s!   I think those Virgins are going to come up significant at some point.  It looks like he's got enough stashed to put a significant population of people to sleep for a couple of hours at least.  The question is, who and why?

Michael is an idiot.  Jack TOLD him they were going to help him get Walt back--why is he running off half cocked?  I know, Walt's his kid; but he has to know that he's not competent enough at either wood craft OR gunplay to get him back alone!  Is he planning to join the Others?  They clearly don't want him, or they'd have taken him off the raft.

I'm beginning to hate Michael. 

And I was severely disappointed in the shirtless but TOWEL COVERED Sawyer. 

That's just not fair.