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Great Danes => Great Dane Discussions => : nickerbokker September 29, 2005, 02:27:15 PM
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hey yall. my sista is lookin for a blue dane girly, and i told her i would post here and see if i came up with any great leads! if you know of WONDERFUL breeders, who have good lines, and a big heart when it comes to their own animules, please let me know! she will travel.
nicks
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hey yall. my sista is lookin for a blue dane girly, and i told her i would post here and see if i came up with any great leads! if you know of WONDERFUL breeders, who have good lines, and a big heart when it comes to their own animules, please let me know! she will travel.
nicks
go to the great dane club of the usa or your local akc club
alwaways the internet
do reserch make sure all the parents were hip/elbow scored be for you buy
if you are looking for a wonderful pet,,,,,,,,,,please adopt
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She should also realize that very few good breeders seek out the breeding of dilute colored animals because of the issues that are linked to these colors.
Her best bet would be to look for an excellent breeder, and let the color chips fall where they may.
JMO of course....
What do you mean? Blue danes are AKC accepted and are shown. SO why wouldnt a Good Breeder bred a Blue?
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Interesting I didnt know that. I have seen a lot of Blue dane breeders breeding to just get blues. And also seen some CH Blues that I didnt realize they werent good to bred. Not that I know anything about breeding let alone blues, I am more of a Harl, mantle, merle kinda of girl LOL
Back to the post. I have seen a few nice looking Blue danes in Rescue, maybe your sister could rescue? If not maybe she could go to a dog show and check out some breeders there?
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This is an excellent article about color and color inheritance in danes.
http://www.chromadane.com/2004CoatColor.htm
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Hi nickerbokker, I can tell you that finding an ethical blue dane breeder will be a challenge, there are a lot of BYBs that breed blues.
From my experience, you don't find a lot of blue danes because they are difficult to produce. They can inherit problems such as color dilution alopecia http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/Diseases/dermatology/colour%20dilution%20alopecia.htm , but you can drastically reduce your chances of this disorder by finding an ethical breeder.
First, I would start with the Great Dane Club referrals. This won't guarantee an ethical breeder, but you can eliminate the majority of BYBs that way.
Second, know what questions to ask. Any breeder that acts offended or tries to make you feel ridiculous for trying to do your homework is a waste of time, move on to another. Here are some helpful links:
The first is sorting through breeders and weird websites:
http://www.angelfire.com/anime/gdrsw/sortbreeders.html
The second is a 'Buyer Beware', if you scroll down you get a list of 'Do's and Don't's':
http://www.angelfire.com/anime/gdrsw/buyerbeware.html
The last two are websites containing information on suspended breeders. The first is an out of date list on Dane breeders(although some of the suspensions are still in-force):
http://www.angelfire.com/anime/gdrsw/greatdanewatchdog.html
And this one is the AKC suspension index, all breeds, by breeder last name.
http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspindx.htm
This is also a good resource for finding a good breeder:
http://www.danemist.com/ABCs/
Good luck with the search, if you have any questions or need help please feel free to contact me any time! :)
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Sorry the only good blue breeders I know of are across the ocean. :( I have to agree that most of the blue breeders here are BYBs because the color is so hard to get. The more unusual the color, the more people want it, the more money the BYBs get. Go to the www.GDCA.org site, and also you can try www.danesonlin e.com They have breeders listed by color there. There are alot of good ones, but there are some unsavory ones there as well. Make sure she knows what questions to ask. Ironically DOL has lots of posts regarding that issue as well :) Just beware. The people there bite!
Ang
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I'm on DOL quite often, there is more knowledge on that board than you will find anywhere else.
Give it a go, they aren't mean, just brutally honest sometimes.
You can search the archives for advice on picking a blue, there are tons of threads out there on this very subject.
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This is gonna sound really bad since I have a blue, but I don't know any good blue breeders either! I searched for over a yr to find a reputable breeder and ended up getting Koby, because his previous owners could no longer care for him. I know of a few really good breeders in Austrailia and Europe but that's about it. Rescue might be the best option.
Andi
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Stupid question...are dark grey charcoal colored danes considered blues? When I live in Manhattan there was the most gorgeous pair of matched dark charcoal danes in my neighborhood. They were GORGEOUS!!!
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she is not looking for a blue breeder....jus t dane breeders that give a crap about their animals. she wants to get on waiting lists for a blue, so when one comes along....she can have it. how stupid this sounds i dunno......
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Dane breeders specialize in color families. At least the good ones do. So if you want a certain color dog you have to go to a breeder taht produces them. A fawn breeder won't have Harls, and a blue breeder wont' have brindles. USUALLY the color families fall like this, Fawn and Brindle, Mantle and Harl, Black and Blue. Sometimes Black breeders deal with fawns too.
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Before I decided to adopt, I did extensive research on blues and found only one reputable breeder in the USA. I have talked emailed checked references and so on and found them to not be BYB's but highly sought after breeders. There is a long waiting list so be prepared. A breeding has just occured this past week and the results should be known in the next few weeks. The dam was actually bred to an australian sire that was flown in for the specific purpose of this breeding. If you are willing to pay the money and answer about a gajillion questions from the owner, you could own one as soon as January. Her name is Kim and she is of eastwood danes. You can research her at eastwooddanes. com Best of luck in your search. But I would ask you to consider adoption. There are currently 3 blues at the MAGDRL.
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I'm might not reflect the opinion of the majority, but there are reputable Blue breeders around. Doing your homework and visiting breeders is your best bet. Danes Online is a good resource, they screen who put ads there. Reputable breeders will always have Blacks in Blue lines, no one wants CDA. Reputable breeders also produce Blues, I don't quite understand why someone would think the opposite. I suggest checking out Coleridge Great Danes. Good luck in the search and definitely share pictures. :)
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DOL does not screen breeders who put ads on their site.
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DOL does not screen breeders who put ads on their site.
Yeah unfortunately :( It's a good place to find breeders but you still need to do your research.
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"blues and found only one reputable breeder in the USA" "A breeding has just occured this past week and the results should be known in the next few weeks. The dam was actually bred to an australian sire that was flown in for the specific purpose of this breeding.  Her name is Kim and she is of eastwood danes"
What makes you think Kim is the only reputable breeder in the states,I in fact have been to her site and the so called incredible pairing your talking about is not good.I wouldn't take a pup from it,after my extensive research.
The female is a black,who's grandpa is a fawn being bred to a blue male who has multiple Harlequin's close in his pedigree.Thats not colour breeding at all. Not even a good option,I can understand Fawn's in a blacks pedigree but harl's in a blues ped,really close?
Try looking harder for your so called only reputable breeder in the USA.
Kari
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Kari,
I do not know who you are other then someone who caused a lot of trouble on some of the other Dane list a while back, but you do not know what you are talking about with my Danes and I won't stand idle by while you attempt to trash me.
For your information, Blue bred to Harl is perfectly acceptable in AU and Blue Harls can be shown there. You know nothing of color breeding or you wouldn't be making statements about Harl being in Indy's pedigree. For one there are not 'several'. Second, the Harl will be 3 generations back from the pups. Third, Blue bred to Blue is only going to produce blue unless both dogs carry for fawn. I am not going to get any 'mismarks' in this breeding. Fourth, It is a nice breeding despite your uneducated bashing of it. Your 'extensive' research has taught you nothing! If you want to look for something a miss in a breeder program, check out your own backyard! If you have a beef with me, feel free to send me a private message at eastwooddanes@yahoo.com I would advise you to keep your un-educated comments about me or any other breeder to yourself. :)
Kim Eastwood
www.eastwoodda nes.com
www.giantdogbe d.com
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"She should also realize that very few good breeders seek out the breeding of dilute colored animals because of the issues that are linked to these colors."
This is totally false. Blue myths like this have been flying around for eons. The truth is that Blue Danes do not have any more issues then any other color of Danes. There are many reputable breeders who 'seek' to breed the beautiful Blue Dane and have done so healthfully and successfully for many many years. It's a bit more challenging then breeding the fawns as there are not as many to choose from in quality studs. But where there is a will there is a way! :)
Kim Eastwood
www.eastwoodda nes.com
www.giantdogbe d.com
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Thank you for the compliment on Heidi. I am very proud to be her breeder.
I am new to the board. I was alerted by several people that Kari had some negative things to say about my breeding program so I had to come and set the record straight. LOL
Cross color breeding is a touchy subject with some and there are breeders who refuse to do it. This does not make it wrong when someone else chooses to cross color breed. I could care less that there is soon to be a Harl 3 generations back in my pedigree. I'll never see it in a breeding as it won't cause me to produce mismarks or Harls. Impossible!Not to mention... She happened to be a beautiful Harl and proved to be a very important, valuable and contributing to Indy's pedigree. If Kari has a problem with that, it sure isn't my problem!
Heidi for instance came from a breeding of black to black. We knew Hieidi's dam carried blue because her mother was blue. We knew the sire we chose had the potential to carry blue because his grand dam was blue. We knew they BOTH had the potential to carry fawn since they share the same great grandfather who was fawn. What I got was 8 pups, 5 Black, 2Blue and 1 fawn boy born last!! It was interesting and educational to find out that A... the sire carried for blue!! B. they both carried for fawn. Do I care that I got the fawn? No, why should I? No harm done!! I don't have a single regret for the breeding. I have produced one of the most beautiful blue bitches I have ever seen from it! She is just starting her show career. I'll keep you posted!
There is a beautiful blue bitch that was in the top 20 for a long time. Her sire. FAWN!! When it comes to cross color breeding you can take it or leave it, But don't knock it til you try it!! :)
Kim Eastwood
www.eastwoodda nes.com
www.giantdogbe d.com
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Kim,I said I wouldn't take a puppy from it,I didn't say it wasnt your choice to do the breeding. When talking about colour I am not talking about pratice in AU,because I don't live there and to be honest the Au standard and show practices are not what matters to me.
I don't care what you do,its your choice,however I don't feel its fair for you to be called the only reputable blue breeder in the US,simply stating my opinion.
 Every breeder makes their own choice about the pairs they want to create,so they do it if you feel you want to,I don't own your dogs and don't decide the breeding pairs. Its your choice and your puppies.
I do know enough to have formed my own opinions and will continue to do so,and I didn't in fact knock your dogs,didn't even say your a bad breeder,I just said I wouldn't take a pup from that pairing,again my choice,we all have our own choices.
 By the way,I didn't cause a problem on any dane list,I spoke my opinion and was very badly misheard and misunderstood,which happens more often then not. I don't care to fight and thats not what this is about. I am in this for the same thing I hope all people are,for the betterment of the dogs.
Good luck with your dogs,one thing I do have to say is that most of your dogs have great turn of stifle which I find a wonderful assest.
Kari
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OK, first of all, I'm the one bedhogs has beef with. I did not say that eastwood danes is the "only" reputable" blue breeder in the USA. I said I found them to be the only reputable breeder that I've found for me. I've corresponded with Kim, and she is very informed. I was giving advice to someone who asked for names of good breeders. I don't know why you're getting so touchy. My idea of a good breeder may be different from your opinion of a good breeder. But that doesn't make your comments justified. My opinion is that eastwood danes is the most reputable blue dane breeder in the USA. You don't have to follow my opinion. But don't bash Kim because you have beef with me. We come here to share our opinions and share advice. Not to bash each other.
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Lovely dogs Eastwood!
In my research in Danes, I've seen many lovely dogs come from "non-color pure" breedings, the thing is, if the breeder is working with a geneticist, and are taking all precautions, and are responsible for what they produce, they aren't doing anything wrong. Danes used to come in every color, we just whittled it down to a basic six, and look, we still have more than the basic six! You can't throw away a correct animal based on color alone. Just my opinion!
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You can't throw away a correct animal based on color alone. Just my opinion!
If a dane isn't the correct color, it's not correct period. The standard clearly states what is acceptable.
I agree though that this does not eliminate cross color breeding for benefits of physical conformation and health.
And of course, one should certainly be familiar with other country standards before they criticise! :D
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You are right, if the dog isn't the correct color, it's not correct, however I stated that wrong.
I meant you can't throw out the idea of crossing color families for improvement. I'm sorry if I confused you.
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Then we agree! ;D
Though I think it was more a matter of the point not being clearly stated, but who's keeping track? ;)
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ok question off topic sort off but not really cause its about colour. how much white can a black have before it's not a black and its considered a 'mantle' or 'boston'. my girl has white tipped toes a small flash of white on the chest and white spots on the inside back of her paws that you can't see in pics. so black or 'mantle/boston' ? not that i care shes still my beautiful moster baby anyways just courious
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hmm don't really know the answer to this but my brothers dane is black except foron her paws there is some white and on her chest too. I am just guessing but I would think that as long as there is just a little bit of white, like you described then it would still be considered black. But I am just guessing.
Nina
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ok question off topic sort off but not really cause its about colour. how much white can a black have before it's not a black and its considered a 'mantle' or 'boston'. my girl has white tipped toes a small flash of white on the chest and white spots on the inside back of her paws that you can't see in pics. so black or 'mantle/boston' ? not that i care shes still my beautiful moster baby anyways just courious
Your baby would be considered a mismark black. Think of a Mantle as a white dog with a black blanket thrown over their back and their head is black with a white blaze. Their legs, chest and stomach are white. She's still very cute though :)
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For a mantle, think Boston Bull Terrier or holstien cow LOL. All three have the same color pattern. Some white I think is acceptable in a black, it depends on the size and location of the spots of white.
Stella
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Merlin is a mantle, but he actually almost has too much white for show quality, according to his breeder. The best pics I could find were puppy ones.
Stella
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Tonka is a Mantle:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b353/staceycouch/000_0027.jpg)
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I think Merlin has just the right markings for show, but then again I perfer mantles marked like him. I rather see more white on mantles then black for showing. Not saying all mantles arent beautiful ;) I think Tonka is a doll. :) Here is my mantle Boy, George [RIP :'( ]
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Personally, I think he's perfect too, but I may be biased. ::) Allow me to digress a little, bit check this dane out--also named Merlin. He is on petfinders as a reverse blue merle. I thought I had seen every color variation, but this one floored me.
Stella
http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=4770812&adTarget=&SessionID=43500f5c195a3a4e-app2&display=&preview=1&row=75&tmpl=&stat=
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Is that a pure dane? I have heard of a new color combo called a chocolate merle. Maybe that's what it looks like.
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Allow me to digress a little, bit check this dane out--also named Merlin. He is on petfinders as a reverse blue merle. I thought I had seen every color variation, but this one floored me.
Stella
Stella, I have joined you on the floor! Wow--that is a bizarre looking boy, but he is a cutie! I'm puzzled by what they call that coloration, too. Reverse? Blue? OK, merle I can understand.
Which brings me to another question. Why do so many people refer to merle danes as "blue merle"? I had danes and knew lots of dane people for about ten years before I heard this term used, and now it's fairly common. I know other breeds use the term, but it's never been a part of the GDCA terminology. I suppose people who have had other breeds with blue merle coloration were the instigators. However, given that our breed does have a blue coloration and merles seldom have the color of a blue dane, it seems particularly confusing. A merle is a merle. For that matter, even terms like "merlequin" or "mantle-marked merle" seem a little superfluous, but at least they make sense.
Holly
I've seen many danes called blue merle that didn't have blue coloring, but I see a lot of blue in Lily. Where did the term merle come from?
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lol, Laural Grove. Say it? I don't think I could type it fast!
I also question if he is a full dane-Maybe dane and lab, and that is where that chocolate color come in. Strider's color is off too, sort of a grey/taupe/tan/sand with black splashes and white spots... Have you ever seen a harbour seal... That 's it , I have a mismarked mantle harbor sealdane!
Stella
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I think Laurel G. hit the nail on the head. I think the term Merle came from other breeds, like the Aussie for example. In danes it has come to mean the random marbling pattern of several different colors. Lily and Mr Grey are exactly what comes to my mind when someone says Blue Merle.
Stella
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Danes have some of the most complex genes in the animal world in regard to coloration. Merle isn't a coloration gene as much as a mask. A dog with a black base would be gray with black spots, a dog with a fawn base would be light brown with dark chocoate spots, a TRUE blue merle would be pale gray with blue spots (And the nose leather would be different). Think of if you wear a tank top, and you put a shear spotted top over it. The color would change a bit, and the color would be different for every shirt.
Blue Merle probably came from Aussies, as they often have red merles, and this differentiates between the two. The reason that the *Gray* merles are the most common is that they're from the Harl family. Harls are black as a base color with a Harlequin gene over them. That's why sometimes you get fawnequins (Like Darling Mattie) or "Bluequins". Their base colors are different. If you get a fawnequin or a Bluequin in the litter it's very possible that you'll get a chocolate or a TRUE blue merle. It's a reason why the color code is in place and why (As you've seen in this thread) that cross color breeding can be so controversial. It DOES happen to good breeders, and it does happen to purebred dogs. ;D
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So what would you say Lily is then? And what is a Boston Merle?
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Lily is a straight merle, with a black base. (Notice her nose leather is black. If she was a Blue, which is Black diluted it would be paler, look at Anikalia's avatar for a great nose shot of her blue bly Koby). A Boston Merle is the same thing as a Mantle Merle. Perfect Example would be Mr Grey. On top of the Merling gene there's a Mantle Gene. (Dane Genes can stack up pretty high :P ) There can also be Merlequins which is a Merle with a Harl gene.
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WOW, that's a lot to swallow. lol. I guess there are a lot of colors. I don't care what Lily's color is called. She's just pretty in my opinion. :)
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Thanks, Ang. I never knew there was a chocolate in danes that naturally occured. That's one of the reasons I love it here. I like to get edumacated.
Lilysmom, a boston merle is a merle that has the coat pattern of the boston or mantle, with the white over the shoulders, legs etc., instead of just being solid merle.
The genetic color variations in the danes is just facinating!
Stella
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WOW, that's a lot to swallow. lol. I guess there are a lot of colors. I don't care what Lily's color is called. She's just pretty in my opinion. :)
I do agree!! Lily is awesomelicous! lol
Andi
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This has a few Dane color variations, honestly though, the combinations are infinite.
http://hometown.aol.com/greatdanerescue/colors.html
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I do agree!! Lily is awesomelicous! lol
Andi
I love that word!! :D
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I looked at every pic on that site, and I can't find one that looks like lily. The straight merles had either a lot of chocolate or a lot of white. Lily doesn't have either. She's a bluish tint gray with big blue black spots. I'm so confused. ???
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I'll try to get a full shot of her so I can show everyone.
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And please try and get a pic of her nose. It looked like it was black but if it's lighter she mught be a true blue merle. :)
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I do agree!! Lily is awesomelicous! lol
Andi
I love that word!! :D
I try to make up silly words like that all the time!! lol Like I said in another post, I'm easily amuzed AND yeah, sometimes I have a lot of time on my hands!! hahahaa :D
Andi
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And please try and get a pic of her nose. It looked like it was black but if it's lighter she mught be a true blue merle. :)
I will. I'll take it out in the sun since we actually have some sun today.
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You're right. That is the one page on that site with not very good pics. Here are some links from google to a few better examples of regular merle markings...
http://www.daneoutreach.org/Images/merle.gif
The last sight, the smaller of the two danes, that is what Lily looks like. Thank you so much. :)
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There was a litter of Dane mix pups that I helped transport (First time I met Moni! :D ) there were two merles (One had Dane lip on one side and a whippet lip on the other.) and a fawn girl with a merle mask.
Dane side
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Exception2Rules/DSCF1596Small.jpg)
Whippet side
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Exception2Rules/DSCF1595Small.jpg)
STREEEEETCH after the car ride.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Exception2Rules/DSCF1594Small.jpg)
Lookit this face!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Exception2Rules/DSCF1593Small.jpg)
The Mantle girl was just bored with it all
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Exception2Rules/DSCF1591Small.jpg)
Some pics in the car. (NO modesty! :o )
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Exception2Rules/DSCF1590Small.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Exception2Rules/DSCF1589Small.jpg)
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ok, here's the shots of her outside in the sun.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/mbingham/lilyconform2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/mbingham/lilyconform1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/mbingham/lilyconform.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/mbingham/Pictures015.jpg)
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Hey, check out this website. It describes the basic colors in detail. I found it very interesting.
http://www.6stardanes.com/colors.html
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This site has all (Well most) of the colors that can come from a Harl breeding.
http://www.greatdanes.net/colors3.htm