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BPO Training Forum => Behavior, Housebreaking, Obedience => : declanssexymama November 13, 2005, 10:45:49 AM
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Crede peed in his crate last night. I fed him around 6pm and gave him
4 cups of water. I took him out 1-2 hours later for a walk, and he
peed, twice. I didn't give him any water after that. My husband came
home around 11pm and took him out again for a long walk. He peed and
poo-ed. My husband didn't give him any water after that walk either.
So he peed in his crate after going out twice, peeing both times, and
not having any water. I don't get it. Help, please.
(Oh, btw, he was just at the vet and everything checked out okay except for a little doggie cold which he's recovered from now.)
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Some dogs just don't get it that they aren't supposed to pee in the crate. I know they are supposed to have an instinct not to do that, but if they ever lived in a situation where they were allowed to pee in the same area they lived for a while, it's hard to retrain them to be clean. Nigel was kept in a small dirty pen before I adopted him and it made crate training impossible. He would pee in the crate as soon as I put him in! Mokey turned out to be the same way. Peeing in the crate the first time in.
I don't think you are doing anything wrong at all, Crede is just going to require a slightly different strategy. Can you keep the crate near you at night so you might wake up if he does?
An old BPO member named RedyreRottweil ers had some great advice on this topic, I'll see if I can find it in the old posts.
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Here's what I found that Redyre wrote, it was advice for a pup who was pooping in his crate (yuck!) but I think it could be helpful for you:
"You can try a couple of things.
1) move his evening feeding time up earlier in the day so he will have a chance to eliminate before bedtime.
2) Go outside with him and HANDSOMELY food reward all outdoor defecation.
3) If you are using a sky kennel plastic crate, get a wire one. Or vice versa.
4) Instead of using the crate, use a wide flat buckle collar, and tether him to your bed or your dresser near your bedside for sleep. This way he will likely FUSS if he needs to go, and you can take him outside."
I know you have already adjusted the feeding and watering time, but don't give up yet!!!
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Also what i found is if you have a dog that is used to living in dirty conditions you can put a towel in there with them for about a week. My giant Winston did this same thing. We put a towel with him for a week so he learned what it was like to be clean because it absorbs in the towel. Then remove it after a week an he will maybe go in the crate like one or two times but he will not want to do it agian because he has learned to be a clean dog.
I hope that helps you at all. Also everything Redyre said sounds like awesome ideas and believe me she would know.
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From what you have told us about crede so far, I would guess that it was a fear pee, not a bladder-too-full pee. Either being alone in the crate was scary for him, or there was a loud noise (a car honk or something), etc...
Where is the crate kept? If it is not kept near you in the bedroom, I highly suggest you try moving it there.
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I think he just wants a new nickname and that is "Pee Pee head"
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I wonder if it is Anxiety...did the dog drink a whole 4 cups of water? That does seem like a lot especially at 6pm...My gut instinct says anxiety or stress...is the crate a wire or a plastic one...
some dogs do better in wire crates because it is more open
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just a thought, could he have a bladder infection? i know you said he was just at the vet and was checked out. they actually have to catch some urine to test for UTIs. if he doesnt then he could just be not getting the whole housebreaking thing. doghealer, those are excellent suggestions! was the crate peeing immediately after he was put in or was it thru the night? if he held it for a few hours but was not able to hold it all night, then he might just not be able to hold it for very long. i forgot how old he was? even though he looks not like a puppy, his bladder still may be...
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I wonder if it is Anxiety...did the dog drink a whole 4 cups of water? That does seem like a lot especially at 6pm...My gut instinct says anxiety or stress...is the crate a wire or a plastic one...
some dogs do better in wire crates because it is more open
Yup, a whole 4 cups, and he'd drink WAY more than that if we'd let him. I've never seen a thirstier dog in all my life. Can excessive thirst be an indicator of something not-so-good? Oh I hope not...
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Yes...excessiv e water drinking can be an indicator to many different things...
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???Check it out or he is just not use to you all, might have to cut back on the water,sounds like a lot all at once,!!might to much for him,u see they have small Blaters in the begining and can't hold for to long! if u give to much!no matter wear he is it is going to come out he is a Baby, and might be 5 mos old but new home! ::)it will take a few weeks it will take time cut the water to two cups and make sure there is no salt in his food look for Eagle Pack it is a very Good Product for Saints for there Stomact's to!! email any time Waffles717@yahoo.com love molly&Maggie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Dogs aren't that different from in some ways.
People eat and drink emotionally, and so do dogs. Just like you might go to the chocolate if you're in a kind of iffy place emotionally, Crede might be going for the water bowl.
My Rusty was an emotional drinker--yes, I know how that sounds :D. He didn't have classic separation anxiety, but if we took him with us to to spend the night with Gran or left him with my aunt overnight to go camping or something, he would drink the toilets dry, he would go out and lick the sprinklers, he would go in the kitchen and jump up on the counter and drink soapy DISHWATER. It was fine to go visiting for a few hours, but if he thought that he wasn't going home, he'd hunt down the nearest water source.
And after all that drinking, he'd submissive pee every time you tried to comfort or calm him. The combination of emotional drinking and submissive peeing meant that Rusty was NOT a popular doggy guest.
As soon as would take him home, his whole behavior shifted back to normal. He was just a homebody dog that didn't like being out of his comfort zone.
I would definitely make sure that there's nothing physically wrong with Crede, but keep in mind that your home is still new to him, and it might take a few weeks for him to stabilize emotionally. He's still a baby and has been through separating from his mom and sibs, having a first family, leaving that family, a rescue and now your house! Imagine how you'd feel if all that happened to you in such a short time!
I know I'D be searching for the Godiva Chocolates store if all that happened to me :-*
Just use a 'timed' water ration plan that cuts him off a good 3 hours before bedtime. Of course, then you have to be sure you don't roughhouse with him after he's out of water for the day, but hopefully as he adjusts you'll be able to taper off the rationing plan.
You're not doing anything wrong. You're just learning, the same as Crede.
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Well we did have a dry crate this morning, so that's something! I think he's just adjusting, myself. I've always had a pretty good intuition when something was medically wrong with any of my pets, and my warning bells just aren't going off with Crede. If it keeps up for another week or so, I'll make him an appointment for a CBC.
Thanks again everyone!! :-*
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Well we did have a dry crate this morning, so that's something! I think he's just adjusting, myself. I've always had a pretty good intuition when something was medically wrong with any of my pets, and my warning bells just aren't going off with Crede. If it keeps up for another week or so, I'll make him an appointment for a CBC.
Thanks again everyone!! :-*
I think you're right. He's adjusting. it's hard even though he may seem happy...he's got some getting used to to do. :)
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I don't think that 4 cups of water is abnormally high for a saint at dinnertime. It can't hurt to check with the vet but I doubt there is a medical condition causing him to drink that much.
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What do you think about letting him drink as much water as he wants before, say, 3:00pm and then nothing after until the next morning? If he seems absolutlely miserable, maybe a couple of ice cubes...but basically nothing. Maybe then he could get completely hydrated early in the day and then continue the process of taking him out every hour or so until he gets completely trained. Just a thought...
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Well, here goes another Crede pee story...
Today, my husband was taking Crede out every 3-4 hours. Everything was going well, he was doing everything outside, not inside... So he decided to take a shower around 5pm (you know, with a 10-month old son, you have to do it when you can). As soon as he got out of the shower and walked into the bedroom, he slipped in a big puddle of pee. A BIG puddle. And it wasn't there before he went into the shower. Crede had just been out 1 hour and 15 minutes before this. He was already in the living room, curled up in a corner (he knew he'd done wrong). We have only been giving him two cups of water at a time. Usually when he comes in from a walk, he'll get two cups.Â
So, it's obvious that he CAN hold it. But sometimes he WON'T.
Another really strange thing...his entire stomach was wet with pee, so he either peed and then lied down in it, or lied down and peed on himself. THAT IS SO WEIRD.
No worries, we're going to do whatever it takes to make this work, but we are frustrated. We've been concentrating so much on giving him only positive reinforcement, and simply ignoring any bad behaviour. And to be completely honest, this peeing thing is the only thing he does wrong. (Knock on wood.) He doesn't chew, dig, bark, whine...nothin g. But we need to find a remedy for this soon, because 1) it's not safe for the baby to be on the floors with so much dog urine having been there and 2) we don't own, we rent, and what if we ruin the hardwood floors?
With the baby, my husband simply cannot take Crede out every hour. It's just not feasible.Â
{{sigh}}...just frustrated and venting...and looking for some advice...
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I'm SO sorry! I know you guys are doing everything you can....and I'm sure Crede is trying to understand how to be good! It's so frustrating... .but he will get there in the end! I just know it!! :-\
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Lisa,
sucks to hear this... i was going thru the same routine just about a month ago and Nikki is already 9 months old. she'd pee in the most random positions, places, etc. and finally, once in the crate.
we, of course, live in chicago and also rent so the hardwood situation is close to my heart. that said, Crede is a rescue dog & you just don't "know" his previous behavior/environment. i think you can only be ready w/ plenty of paper towels/nature's miracle & lots of patience. afterall, he's still new-to-you and some dogs take much longer to adjust to a new environment.
not too sure what to do about the baby in pee situation tho...
g'luck and i look forward to meeting you guys next.. SPRING?
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Do you know the dogs past? I mean if the dog is used to dirting his area, it may not bother him...also when I let my dogs out my female seems to fully eliminate but my male he does little pees everwhere and at one point during the day he will fully relieve himself...
It seems like you have to fully start as if he was a puppy and follow a strict routine
He is undergoing a lot of stress and been all over the place in such a short period of time so I am sure he is very confused and not sue what is expected of him
You are going to have to water him at certain times and make sure he fully eliminates before coming back in....and trust me a dog of his size has a lot of pee up there so when he is peeing for a minute that means that he is eliminating vs. marking terriotry
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ooo.. another thought: 4 cups of water for a st. bernard is apparently NOTHING. doing a quick search, you'll see Bernie pups can drink quarts and quarts at a time... which is why i resorted to a 14 qt BUCKET for both dogs...
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ooo.. another thought: 4 cups of water for a st. bernard is apparently NOTHING. doing a quick search, you'll see Bernie pups can drink quarts and quarts at a time... which is why i resorted to a 14 qt BUCKET for both dogs...
Holy crap, if we give him more than 4 cups at a time he's like a spigot. I think we'll work our way up to the "14 quart bucket".... ;D
Yeah, Spring.....was it snowing down by you this morning? It was up here when I took Crede out at 6am.....
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You are going to have to water him at certain times and make sure he fully eliminates before coming back in....and trust me a dog of his size has a lot of pee up there so when he is peeing for a minute that means that he is eliminating vs. marking terriotry
Ya know, he is SO submissive that he doesn't even mark when he's outside! And, he pees like a GIIIIRL!!!!!
Poooooor Crede....... ;)
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Like the new avatar! Show's his markings very well.
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Like the new avatar! Show's his markings very well.
Awww, and I looooove yours too! We didn't get enough snow to stick on the ground this morning, but the minute we do, I'm taking tons of pictures! Awwwww, she is sooooo cute!
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You know, years ago, my friend Julie's baby Golden used to do the separation peeing thing when he would think he was alone--Becky even bought clear plastic shower curtains so Bo could see her when she was in the shower. I guess when you don't have words, peeing on things is about all you can do when you're upset!
When she got married when Bo was about 8 months old, her husband (who had given Bo to her as an engagement gift, so it was really all his fault anyway) started putting diapers on the boy so they could have some newlywed privacy without drowning in the pee puddle that would be outside the door when they opened the door. I don't know that it helped him get over his separation issue, but it sure saved the floors!
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Well, here goes another Crede pee story...
Today, my husband was taking Crede out every 3-4 hours. Everything was going well, he was doing everything outside, not inside... So he decided to take a shower around 5pm (you know, with a 10-month old son, you have to do it when you can). As soon as he got out of the shower and walked into the bedroom, he slipped in a big puddle of pee. A BIG puddle. And it wasn't there before he went into the shower. Crede had just been out 1 hour and 15 minutes before this.
Maybe he got a little separation anxiety being alone while your hubby was showering? The sound of water running? It's true that big dogs are babies longer. My female, Zoey took a long time to train. Have patience, you sound like you are doing all the right things.
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I't is very Simple just put him in his Crate while in the shower!He is a Puppy please Treat him like one!!! u will not have any more problem's.! so when u are out put him in the crate ! when u come back,let him out, it is so easy! when u are in the shower the same!thing!love molly&Maggie!We got to go to petco so hope you can get along till we get back!!! But try it!!!!!!!