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BPO General Forum => General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws => : Anky December 01, 2005, 01:47:09 PM

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: Anky December 01, 2005, 01:47:09 PM
OMG I want one!  Jenn was I NOT JUST telling you I wanted a baby fox!?!?!?!


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0208_050208_foxes.html
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: ZooCrew December 01, 2005, 01:54:55 PM
I wonder what kind of foxes those are?  I've never seen any that look quite like that, even when young.
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: Anakalia December 01, 2005, 02:01:15 PM
They sure are cute!!  Love the eyes! ;D

Andi
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: Kiahpyr December 01, 2005, 02:06:05 PM
They sure are cute!!
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: GrumpyBunny December 01, 2005, 02:15:03 PM
I wonder what kind of foxes those are?  I've never seen any that look quite like that, even when young.
Those are adorable!  I think they might some kind of Arctic fox - were they part of that Russian project that bred foxes to create friendly, dog-like qualities...?
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: Kirsten December 01, 2005, 02:24:46 PM
yeah, whoever has me as a secret santa can give me one, that would be fine with me! ;D
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: Anky December 01, 2005, 02:25:11 PM
Do they look like that in your yard???!!! 

No.  :(  They're red but they're still SOOOOOO cute!
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: Anky December 01, 2005, 02:29:33 PM
Babies are immune from evil insiduous diseases.  Besides, we haven't had any foxes with rabies here.  Racoons up the wazoo though.  So, we have come to the conclusion that racoons are bad and foxes are good!
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: Anky December 01, 2005, 02:36:23 PM
YOU SUCK!

That is all. 

Ang

PS.  I was only 11 in 1994 and I'm sure that the rabies outbreak was the farthest thing frm my mind.
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: ZooCrew December 01, 2005, 02:57:05 PM
I wonder what kind of foxes those are?  I've never seen any that look quite like that, even when young.

Those are adorable!  I think they might some kind of Arctic fox - were they part of that Russian project that bred foxes to create friendly, dog-like qualities...?

I think these foxes in question may be crossbreeds, which raises a few questions for me.  They are awefully cute, and yes if purebred, probably an artic fox.  But artic fox pups should look like this:

(http://www.lioncrusher.com/images/Arcticfox-cubs.JPG)

Artic fox ears are small in proportion to their heads, not like most foxes, who have quite large ears, and not like the kits in the article, who also have large ears.  The blue eyes also thew me, b/c although very young kits will have blue eyes, they are dark, and the color quickly changes to brown, gold or copper.

Sorry, the zoologist in me is coming out.  The markings are extrordinary on those kits, but I'm wondering if domestic dog DNA was added to the mix.

Okay, one more cool photo I like :
(http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/4707/Arctic/ArcticFox_01.jpg)
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: Anky December 01, 2005, 03:02:16 PM
I thought that foxes couldn't genetically mate with dogs due to chromosomal differences.  I could have sworn I read that somewhere.

Edited to add link:  Second paragraph down.

http://www.ozfoxes.com/aafoxes.htm
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: ZooCrew December 01, 2005, 03:33:02 PM
You're right.  I had forgotten that dogs can only crossbreed with wolves, coyotes and jackals (in North America anyway)

Good point.  But that doesn't mean they haven't crossbred other fox breeds in their program to get them to look that way.  Even if they haven't, its a good thing they are in captivity.  There is a reason the artic fox's ears are so small......... .............. it's to keep them from getting frostbite and falling off in the cold.
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: Binky December 05, 2005, 08:55:50 PM
I want one!  I actually saw a show about the "tame" foxes.  Foxes in the wild never have markings like that, but several generations into the taming the fox project, the babies started to have "dog-like" markings.  They beleive that this happened because natural selection no longer applied to these animals ie, they didn't need camoflage, etc.  Very interesting.  In any case, they are adorable!  Thanks for the pics!
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: hugo~monster December 05, 2005, 11:33:09 PM
Several years ago there was a dog breeder here in this area who has bred everything from ferrets to rotties.  He had a small-time pet store, very likeable guy, but never stuck with anything very long to improve it.  He just wanted to make a quick buck.  Anyway, he bred this type of fox.  I saw some in his store a few times.  Back then he (and new owners of these foxes) had to get a permit to keep these animals.  He told me what Binky just said about several generations being domesticated, the markings start to change, since there is no need for natural camoflage they start to change color and pattern.  This is also true in other animals as well.  THe baby foxes he had were not dog-like at all. In fact they were more like a cat.  They were nervous and timid and acted very much like what they would if they were still wild.  This guy also bred wolf hybrids-that were like 95% wolf.  You could not tell it had any dog in it whatsoever.  Looked so much like a wolf with those yellow eyes and acted like one-very wary and nervous.  Thankfully, I dont think this guy raises these exotics anymore.  But they are soooo beautiful.  I watched a program the other night on spotted hyenas-made me want one.  It interacted with its keeper just like a dog, but could turn in a second back into the wild creature it is.
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: Newf Lover December 06, 2005, 06:23:02 PM
If you want a fox, or a "fox-like" dog, why not get a Shiba Inu.  They are very much like foxes and extremely cute.  They problem with the cute exotics like Raccoons, de-scented Skunks, Foxes and Ferrets, is they aren't really well suited for domestic life and can be a nuisance for some people.  It seems like a good idea, until you get one.
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: Anky December 06, 2005, 06:28:42 PM
I know a few Shibas and I didn't like them (Just MY opinion, not saying they're bad dogs or anything I'm not really into Japanese dog personalities).   Also, I wouldn't be interested in getting a fox out of the wild (Well I would but it would be irresponsible).  This article is all about breeding the foxes to be domsestic.  Pretty much how they started with dogs.

Edited to add:  I say "Awwwwwww I want one!" to alot of things.  I think the most recent one was a baby goat.
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: Newf Lover December 06, 2005, 06:31:26 PM
I'm not trying to be a smartass, but what exactly is a Japanese Dog personality trait?  And as for Baby Goats, they are so sweet.  I grew up with goats, they were just like dogs and would play with me all the time.
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: Anky December 06, 2005, 06:34:26 PM
I'm not trying to be a smartass, but what exactly is a Japanese Dog personality trait? 

Not to be a smart @ss back ( :) ) but I like my dogs goofy and human.  All the Japanese dogs I've ever met (ie: Shibas, Akitas, Jindos ect) take life very seriously and think of themselves as deity.  Like I said it's a personal opinion.

And as for Baby Goats, they are so sweet.  I grew up with goats, they were just like dogs and would play with me all the time.

That's why I want one.  I've been working at my aunt's farm this week and I LOVE her goats.  They're just like dogs, even the way they scratch behind their ears!
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: K9ldy00 December 06, 2005, 07:31:29 PM
I used to have Goats, only females because the males really stink. They were Nubians. I could not believe how much they were like dogs in the way they followed you around and bleated at you. When I would sit down they would try to get in your lap. They were sweet and funny.

I love the little foxes too cute.
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: hugo~monster December 06, 2005, 10:29:14 PM
I used to have Goats, only females because the males really stink. They were Nubians. I could not believe how much they were like dogs in the way they followed you around and bleated at you. When I would sit down they would try to get in your lap. They were sweet and funny.

I love the little foxes too cute.

 I can relate to the goats.  my papaw has them now (he has owned nubians for 20 years) and the males are horribly stinky!  he lives 2 houses up from me and on a warm summer night when the breeze is just right, you can smell the billy goat!  of course one would smell pretty horrid if you pee'd on your own face!  but the babies are sweet and if tamed good enough they do make a good pet.  will follow you around like a dog.  mamaw raised some on a bottle in the house.  of course it is time to put them outside when they start climbing on the furniture!Â