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BPO General Forum => General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws => : mastiffmommy December 12, 2005, 01:33:25 PM
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This is a place in NC, what would you call it? I am sooooo upset right now, it isnt a question about IF the rescue groups will get a big percentage of these dogs, it is a question about HOW MANY?
when you talk about puppy wholesale place, and mention breeds that are total design breeds, and hybrids, it sickens me and it is very obvious why it is such a big problem with millions and millions of dogs put to sleep each and every year and rescue groups who are bursting trying to help as many as possible.
I am sooooo ready to try and figure out how to shut down places like this. the ones that misstreat the dogs, are the easy ones to shut down, the ones that look like labs with fat little puppies and vets and all, well they are the hard ones, but they do as much harm.
http://www.healthypups.com/
Marit
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OH MY! RED FLAGS ALL OVER THE PLACE!! This looks great on the surface with all the information and the promise of vaccines and health checks, but look at this statement:
We have 20 years experience and have sold more than 6500 puppies with almost no parvo losses.
That's 324 puppies PER YEAR!! That they sell. HOLY MOLEY!! If that's not a puppy mill, I don't know what is!! Can anyone honestly say they can properly care for 325 puppies per year????? Plus the adult dogs it takes to generate those puppies. Let's not forget about that!
Cripes!
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I agree, Marit. This kind of thing makes me so upset. You would think that after seeing so many things like this, that you would start to get immune and hardened to it. But, that isn't the case. It just upsets me more and more, and makes me sadder and sadder...
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OK, now smoke is coming out of my ears!!
"They say that healthy small breed pups suitable for house pets are almost never available for adoption at the shelters, and that there is a serious need for our puppies. Almost all the adoptable shelter pets are large breed mixes that many feel are too large for indoor pets. Hundreds of people take painful rabies shots each year ($2000.00-$4000.00 each) because of pets raised, kept, or allowed outdoors that are sick or possibly exposed to rabid wildlife, yet many are dumb enough to buy those pets!"
LIES!
LIES!
LIES!!
I don't even know where to start....
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man... i can not believe that she wrote 16 pages of this crap... and its not even well written it's just a brain dump of garbage.
"Are you an animal lover who thinks dogs kept in kennels need to be rescued? What gave you the idea that pets kept in the home are happier than kennel pets? How would you like for someone spay/neuter you, never allow you to do love, marriage, and family, and decide where and how you were to live without your consent? Could it be that your beloved house pet would choose to live in our kennel in a protected and cared for colony with other members of his own kind if you allowed him to choose? "
I don't think a single one of our dogs would choose to live in a kennel verses in the home....
This site makes me so mad! >:(
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AAACCCKKK!! I missed that quote! What complete drivel!!! She's also proud of the fact that their pups' feet "never touch the ground until you take them home" because they are born, reared and raised 100% of the time in a CAGE!
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Yep! Easy to see that it is a puppy mill - BIG TIME!!! >:( Jus look at the photo of her place! It looks more like a test lab for rats than a puppy kennel.
What's this with the $10,000 on just about every page?
Sofia and Deena
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It's just such a horrible mindset, that animals should be bred to be convenient for people. It's like they're computers or toys or accessories. Check this out:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/pet/117797412.html
What happens in one's life that they equate animals with objects?!
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Let's go storm her place and set them all free! She keeps saying it's USDA inspected, recommendation s from law enforcement, animal control, blah, blah, blah, but there is a puppy miller here that had that on her website, too. She had the audacity to state that she had been inspected and approved by the local Humane Society and we had NEVER heard of her.
We sent her a certified letter to take that off her website IMMEDIATELY or further action would be taken.
Does the USDA have restrictions on how many dogs can be bred in one year? 325/year is just completely outrageous. Those poor moms must never get a break!
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Was it your janitor (Humane Society) who thought it looked pretty spiffy after he filled in in a pinch? (Amazing how someone will take a comment out of context and try to use it to their advantage.) I'm just kidding about the janitor.
Setting them free might not be the best solution, however. After all, we don't want to look like PETA!!! Seriously, Jeanne, if there is something that we as a board can do, let us know.
Deena
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More "goodies" from her site:
Please do not drive into the lower drive and take your vehicle to the kennel unless you have someone in your group who is handicapped and unable to walk to the kennel. Excess vehicle traffic around the kennel can encourage mothers to accidentally step on and injure newborn pups.
Larger Rat Terriers often live well into their 20’s if owners feed them dry food only, no doggie treats of any kind, and not let them sleep under covers so they get cataracts and go blind.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! WHAT?????
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LOL I saw that one about not feeding treats and not letting the dog sleep under blankets... I definitely had a good laugh. I have never heard of a dog going blind because it sleeps under the covers... but then again I do not know everything...
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Those are just so stupid they almost are funny! ::)
What is really maddening are quotes like this:
AII pups receive 5 different vaccines, beginning with Neopar pure parvo at 4 wks, by 8 wks of age. They get ivermectin to prevent demodex mites, intestinal parasites, and scabies mites (which are transmissable to humans- cause rash and severe itching), and marquis anti-protozoal paste to prevent coccidia and giardia (transmissable to humans- causes upset stomach). They also get time of sale microscopic fecal examinations, and are sold with a written health warranty. Because 90% of pups are raised by people with no vet tech skills in unsterilizable (home, backyard, barn) environments and NOT VACCINATED THE WAY WE DO IT, almost all small pups have an improperly developed immune system that will allow them to get sick should an insect land on their nose carrying a virus from next door.
You start thinking: "And this lady says she is a vet tech?!"Â >:(Â It is her pups who will have improperly developed immune systems from too many vaccines and little natural exposure to viruses and bacteria.
Sofia
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I wrote to the USDA to find out what their requirements are for licensing, if there's a litter limit, and if there is anything that would cause a license to be revoked.
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I missed the part about the insect landing on their nose! That's a riot! I did see that they were vaccinated 5 TIMES by 8 weeks of age. Poor pups! They must be part pincushion by the time they go home with someone!!
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OK I've been reading the quotes you've all been posting....... is this a joke? It's gotta be a joke! Someone can not write those things on a website without it either being a joke or they have major mental issues.
Andi
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And don't you just love the way she skews statistics:
Up to 30%(?)of pups raised by pet owners in non-USDA standard environments in past years have died, leaving owners with expensive vet bills.
Using that as proof of regular vaccination programs being ineffective is silly. I wonder what her all-cause death rate is? Propably much higher than 30%, with mothers stepping on babies when people visit. *shakes head* That figure probably counts fading puppy syndrome and similar causes of death that have nothing to do with parvo.
Sofia
P.S. No, Anakalia, it is not a joke. Read the website, and the picture I attached to an earlier post is from there, BTW.
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I'm gonna have to go with Serious Mental Issues.
I wish it was a joke because I'm still laughing about the cataracts under the bedcovers!
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Those are just so stupid they almost are funny! ::)
What is really maddening are quotes like this:
AII pups receive 5 different vaccines, beginning with Neopar pure parvo at 4 wks, by 8 wks of age. They get ivermectin to prevent demodex mites, intestinal parasites, and scabies mites (which are transmissable to humans- cause rash and severe itching), and marquis anti-protozoal paste to prevent coccidia and giardia (transmissable to humans- causes upset stomach). They also get time of sale microscopic fecal examinations, and are sold with a written health warranty. Because 90% of pups are raised by people with no vet tech skills in unsterilizable (home, backyard, barn) environments and NOT VACCINATED THE WAY WE DO IT, almost all small pups have an improperly developed immune system that will allow them to get sick should an insect land on their nose carrying a virus from next door.
You start thinking: "And this lady says she is a vet tech?!"Â >:(Â It is her pups who will have improperly developed immune systems from too many vaccines and little natural exposure to viruses and bacteria.
Sofia
I remember reading something saying she really was not a vet tech so I found the quote.
crazyness....
" 7.All pups receive microscopic fecal examinations. I am not licensed and I do not provide paid veterinary services for the public. I , like most of those who work for licensed vets as technicians, am an unlicensed technician whose care program is supervised by Dr. John Stinson, DVM, Animal Hospital of Wilkes, who voluntarily serves as a reference on this website."
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LOL I saw that one about not feeding treats and not letting the dog sleep under blankets... I definitely had a good laugh.  I have never heard of a dog going blind because it sleeps under the covers... but then again I do not know everything...
Well, HELLO, this lady is the expert on Rat Terriers. According to her, that is. And, she, uh, certainly seems fond of them...
"While a hybrid Chihuahua is less likely to have issues than the purebred Chihuahua, the best way to be almost 100% positive to get the Chihuahua that you loved instead of the mean little ankle biter that urinates in the floor and chooses to only like one person is to buy a toy Rat Terrier and pretend."
This would be funny if it wasn't sad...
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Well, HELLO, this lady is the expert on Rat Terriers. According to her, that is. And, she, uh, certainly seems fond of them...
"While a hybrid Chihuahua is less likely to have issues than the purebred Chihuahua, the best way to be almost 100% positive to get the Chihuahua that you loved instead of the mean little ankle biter that urinates in the floor and chooses to only like one person is to buy a toy Rat Terrier and pretend."
This would be funny if it wasn't sad...
oh yes she is the expert I never should have doubted her words ;)
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Here's another gem!
Because too much consideration is paid to "CUTENESS", the divorce rate may be as high as 80% these days, AND we live in a nation of veterinarians who drive Cadillacs!
I'm not sure what she's trying to say, but it makes me giggle!
Also, she states that it costs $30,000 per year to run her "facility" and they almost never recoup their costs because they sell their pups for so cheap. BUT if she sells an average of 325 pups per year at her cheapest posted rate of $150.00 each then that's $48,750.00. That's almost $20,000 profit! Pretty good if you ask me! Now, of course the reality of it is that not many pups actually get sold for the low-low price of $150 and it's probably an average of twice that - at least!
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I'm gonna have to go with Serious Mental Issues.
I wish it was a joke because I'm still laughing about the cataracts under the bedcovers!
Oooh, no - I'm going for the 'cataracts of the eyes' quote. From what I know, you can't actually get cataracts anywhere else. These bunch of condescending know it alls should take their own advice and remember, and I quote "The least intelligent person in the world is the one who thinks he already knows everything and is finished with learning."
I can't believe people fall for that kind of bullshine and buy puppies of such inadequates who are telling you that you're a complete idiot and they should advise you on buying one of their puppies as they are the cheapest and best around. Well, pardon me for being a naive idiot, but I know a puppy farm when I see one.
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AMEN, SISTER!!
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Glad I could make you all upset lol.....
Well joking aside, it is serious, it is sad and it is totally totally NOT acceptable, in any way, shape or form.
Obviously she has absolutely no clue about anything, all the deseases and tests and statistic she is using, is just fancy words, she probably looked up in a dictionary for vets. If you use enough fancy and complicated words, you can sound like you actually know something, but only as long as you talk to to people who has less of a clue than you do.
I would love to hear what they say about limitations. Since I live in NC, where this horrific lab construction of puppies are made. I will call her, be the novise puppy buyer, I dont know what I want I want a puppy for my 3 year old daughter, because it is so good for them to learn to "play" with live critters. Thats stupid enough to make her believe Ill buy whatever bs she wants to feed me.
Ill look into where this is, and see if we can go up there and take a look. It is almost so I wish the puppies that are in the kennel she doesnt want anyone to see or drive up to are misstreated. I would hate for it to be so for the dogs sake, but that would be a way to get to her, it is so much harder if they are actually smart enough to keep it acceptable enough in the eyes of the law. Mind you she sure doesnt sound too smart.
BUT I have a feeling, if this vet in reality exists, he is taking a good % of what she is making to work with her, not vet with any kind of ethical standards or love for animals could possibly be a part of this. Papers can be frauded though, both vaccination certs. pedigrees and other documents. I will see if I can find the vet and see if he really is a person or just a imaginary friend.
My daughter malin saw this last night when i was looking at it, and she got soooo upset, and said "moooommmmyyyyy are you not going to do anything" I said of course I will, but sometimes there is just so much we can do, but the key is to dig and see where she fails to follow the rules, regulations and laws.
Lets take this horrible person down, shall we girls
Marit
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Let me know if you need anything or want me to look up anything. I'm happy to help in any way I can.
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thanks, I will make this my goal, to somehow, sometime get this lady (and I use the word lady very very loosly) out off business. I want it so bad I can taste it. Just to see the pics of what someone accurately said looks like some kind of lab is making me physically ill. I will let you know when I have looked through it all in detail, to see where to start.
Marit
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Take a camera with you and tell her it's 'cause you want to take pix of the different puppies so your daughter can pick which one she likes best.
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Something else I found:
http://www.myvetonline.com/website/ahwilkes/
The vets are real, and the page lists a phone number to call. (They are open for an hour and a half more today-hint, hint.) Maybe we could persuade them to remove their names from the reference list - if she is telling the truth and they even have approved. Even if they want to support her, perhaps the quote on vaccinations could be used against them? No responsible vet could advocate that, and if they gave trouble we could threaten to contact the vet board, or whatever it is that certifies vets in that area.
You'd know more about those things I think, Mastiffmommy, since you are in the same state.
Sofia
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For the first reference, the vet with the Humane Society, we could contact them (the Humane Society). Here is their contact page:
http://www.humanesocietyofwilkes.org/Contact.html
I hope that helps. If there aren't any vet references, this person's credibility goes out the window.
Sofia
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bump for Mastiffmommy
Sofia
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thanks, and thanks for the links, I was outside and put up my christmas reefs and came in too late to make any calls today. I have printed out the whole stupid 16 pages and am going to go sit down and highlight all the things that are questionable (dang the whole thing is going to be highlighted) >:( The go to work tomorrow morning.
Good idea with the camera, I did visits like this in sweden, not to puppy mills but to horse breeders and horders, back then we didnt have the cameras in the phones, which is great when you dont want to show off taking the pics. So both phone and camera and me are going.
And it is a really good idea to question the vets, because there is a lot on that site a honest vet can not possibly stand behind. And as said, if they do, there is always the ethical board of veterinary medicine.
Thanks for the help, Ill post as soon as I know something new
Marit
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I'm thinking about emailing the humane society board of directors to let them know that an officer is listed on the reference page. If Mother okays it, off it goes tonight.
Sofia
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Aaaaah!! I just saw this. I have a major headache right now and can't read the site, but did read all the comments posted here, and my headache has gotten much worse with every post I saw.
I guess I don't know how animal cruelty laws work for each state, but I do know that in some states you cannot keep them caged 24 hrs. Someone quoted that they never touch the ground until you take them home. Ummmm......... ....sounds like cruelty to me, b/c it means no one is playing with them, letting them play with each other, or learning how to walk properly.
Second ummmm......... ......sorry, but most licensed veterinarians do have licensed vet techs, and they prefer them to be that way. How do I know this? B/c I had a h*ll of a time getting a job out here b/c I'm not a licensed tech. Only very small clinics will hire a full staff of unlicensed techs b/c they can't afford to hire licensed ones.
Third ummmm......... ...I agree about finding out who this vet is. I have a very hard time believing he would even want to be mentioned on this website, let alone be associated with this person.
Fourth ummm.......... ...I don't know if she really has all those animals at her facility or if she brokers out for other people, but there is no way someone can have that many animals without breaking some sort of health code or something.
This person needs to have a serious reality check. Maybe she needs some psychiatric help. Anyone know of a good mental institution they can refer her to?
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you have several good points there, and I was thinking about the vet tech too. I have never been to a vet where the vet tech isnt an actual VET TECH. the only ones who are not, are the ones who do nothing but book appointments and paperwork, and they call them vet. assistants,
The more in detail you look at this, the more frustrated I get. BUT there are sooooo many things to poke around in, so I actually have good hope that there will be something overlooked from her side.
Good brainstorming all
Marit
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So I called the vet, well there is actually two vets listed both of the working at the same animal hospital. One of them were busy, go figure, the other one was out due to an injury. BUT I got to speak to the injured vets father, who also is a vet there and from what I understand the owner of the animal hospital. I asked if these two vets were correctly listed as ref's for this facility. He said yes his son was the one working the most with them. I asked how as veterinarians they didnt mind being associated with a puppy mill, because that is without a doubt what this facility is, the man said yes more or less. So that is confirmed. He asked if it was urgent, I said, not to me it wasnt, but we are looking into this place and next step is to contact AVMA and see how they feel about their ethical standards having a veterinary hospital with two vet's obviously supporting a puppymill, as their members. He said he didnt know what was on the website, so I suggested that it would probably be a good thing to check that out.
Then I called AVMA, no answer yet, they are in Il though, dont know what time they are on and maybe they dont start this early, I will try again later.
Then called The humane Society of the united states, spoke to a woman who said "ohhh my" and gave me the direct number to their person working with "outreach for companion animals" left a message there, so hopefully I get to talk to her too today.
I also tried the AAHA but they were not open yet, so also there Ill call later.
Ohh I also signed up for the American Breeders board, a place the webiste recommends, for information. That is a place where So called professional breeders i.e puppy mills and design breeders and others like that hang out and talk trash about rescue people. So a good place to pick up whats going on, I am not me lol, I am someone I hope does not exist and will just be there and see what info can be picked up.
Will also call this man.... did you all hear, we assumed it was a woman lol... nope it is a man, and see what breed he suggests for me to get my kids for christmas >:(
thats that for now, Ill keep you all updated on whats happening and if you can come up with something I am not thinking about please let me know
Marit
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You are an Angel!!!
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Way to go, Marit!! As expected, his "references" aren't totally legit. I can't believe the vet's dad basically admitted it was a puppy mill.
As ZooCrew mentioned, I thought, at first, this person must broker out breeders, too, but as you read through the website you don't see any reference to that and his facility certainly looks like it's huge and set up for multiple breeders. I will say that in the picture it looks VERY clean, but anyone can clean then take a picture. I can't imagine with all those cages that it's that clean very often. Also, he only gives directions to his place to see the dogs, not other breeding facilities so it must be a one-man operation.
I can't wait to hear what the Humane Society has to say. I would also suggest you go to HSUS.org and find the regional director contact for North Carolina to notify them of this facility and the research you have begun. I imagine they could not only give you some advice but valuable assistance. Our regional office has always been very available and forthcoming with information when i have called on them. Be sure to mention that you are a member of your local rescue organization. It may give you a little more credability.
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Wow - remind me never to piss you off. Seriously though you are doing a great job and I know the animals appreciate it!! Keep us updated!!
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I am pretty sure this is one mans thing, and yes it looks clean at first, lab like, as if it is not a breeding facility or even puppy mill, more like a dog factory. BUT after having saved pics enlarged them and took a real good look up close well, the cages are mesh flooring, no pans, there are red rubber mats that dont cover the whole mesh floor, so who knows if they are there for photo only or all the time, but since they are not covering the mesh that is unacceptable, there is a food or water dish in one pic it is extremely dirty almost like caked on dirt. If you look real real close at the dogs, the ones with longer fur, all seem to have been hasty cleaned up, they have that "unfresh" look around the eyes and mouth. Quite a few of the pics have the same dogs, I guess that way they didnt have to clean too many puppies.
Also he could not have put it any clearer that DO NOT come without having called to make an appointment first. That is very typical for "we need to make sure what you want to look at is clean" My bet is that most of the dogs are sold over the internet, and those he never has to worry about anyone coming to look at.
Ohhhh yeah, this vet also stated that they do not give any of the vaccinations, the owner of the facility does that himself..... Quite funny concidering how he is bashing breeders that say they puppies are vaccinated and all they have done is to go to the feed and seed store and bought the vaccine.
It is horrible figures, in my research I came across the legislative director of the Doris Day animal league, they say that 200 000 households bought puppies online in 2004, now thats BAD
Marit
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Wow - remind me never to piss you off. Seriously though you are doing a great job and I know the animals appreciate it!! Keep us updated!!
hahaha thats funny :D unless you are a puppy mill your okay hehehehe
Marit
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very, very interesting. i thought the same thing when I saw you absolutely had to call before coming out.
Here's another idea: set the appointment to come out as early as possible in the morning, but show up 1/2 hour to 45 minutes ahead of your appointment time and tell him "I'm sorry I'm so early, but I left early in case I got lost so I wouldn't be late." That way, if he's not done "sprucing up" for your arrival you'll get a better feel for how the facility is actually kept on a daily, no-visitor basis.
I'm going to enlarge the pics in photoshop, too. I can't believe he has wire mesh bottoms to the cages! Their poor little paws!
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Ohhhh yeah, this vet also stated that they do not give any of the vaccinations, the owner of the facility does that himself..... Quite funny concidering how he is bashing breeders that say they puppies are vaccinated and all they have done is to go to the feed and seed store and bought the vaccine.
Marit
Oh wow..... those poor puppies... You are doing a great job Marit!!!
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Great job Marit.
Like I mentioned earlier, I didn't really check out the site. I had automatically assumed the cages had mesh floors b/c that seems to be always what puppy mills use, and I'm saddened to hear it sounds like that is true.
Keep up the good investigative work. I hope you can get though and here back from these organizations you are trying to contact.
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Any news on this, Marit?
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Yeah, some news, but it is slow. Hard to get up with people. But I did get up with the person who is in HSUS, Washington working with outreach for companion animals. She took a lot of info. and is going to look into it, she is specialized or maybe I should say the person who is most involved in puppy millers at HSUS. She will call me back when she has taken a look at the website and researched a bit.
I have yet to get hold of AVMA, well not them, but the right person. I got connected to one, and left a message, when she called back, it was not the right person. She gave ma another name, and of course again had to leave a message, I hope he will call back tomorrow, or Ill call agian to see if there is anyone who is actually there I can talk to.
I tried to call and be the "dog buyer" but even though I called several times it was either busy, or no answer. I guess he is busy, it says on the site, that due to the hight demand for holliday pups he can not deliver before jan 2006. So I guess that means he has to keep the place clean at all times this time of year >:(
Other than that nothing new
Ohhh yeah. The woman I spoke to at HSUS said that it would be most helpful if I wrote to my legislator, they are trying to pass this bill, that will make millers like him need a license too. As it is now even though he is selling over 300 puppies a year, he does not sell to retail and therefor need no license, he only sells over the internet and to the public direct. So it is a big loop hole for people like him, BUT as we agreed on, on the phone, there is absolutely no reason to why the puppy millers who does not sell to retail should not have to live up to the rules and regulations and give the puppys at least a min. standard (at least on the paper, but we all know that most puppymillers dont give a sh.. about the law)
Anyway, if any of you feel like it, go to HSUS.gov and go to legislation and find the legislator and the bill it is about and write to them, it will help a lot, and impact the result. Not saying we will be able to make the bill happen, but we certainly wont if we dont try. They have a lot of "breeder" "millers" and "brokers" against them, they dont like this bill.
I will keep you all updated as soon as I know anything more.
Marit
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Great job, Marit! Keep us updated on your progress.
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they are trying to pass this bill, that will make millers like him need a license too. As it is now even though he is selling over 300 puppies a year, he does not sell to retail and therefor need no license, he only sells over the internet and to the public direct.>>>
Are you speaking of the PAWS bill?
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yes Vdog, it is the Pawsbill I am refering to.
Marit
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yes Vdog, it is the Pawsbill I am refering to.
Marit
I was told the PAWS bill was allowed to die before it ever made it to the floor due to non support within the congress??? So there is no truth to that??
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OK I may be ignornat but who in theuir right mind vaccinates up to 5 times by 8 weeks of age! I went half way through this site and I read the word "stupid" "childish" "dumb" in reference to those of us who buy outside of this type of operation. HIghly insulting but when I reached the page of his "sterile" environment" the cages and cement floors, bleached water, microscopes, I am thinking what the h-ll kind of mad scientist is this? Appears to be a more expensive puppy mill of the smaller breed. I quit looking half way through. I am quite disgusted...
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yes Vdog, it is the Pawsbill I am refering to.
Marit
I was told the PAWS bill was allowed to die before it ever made it to the floor due to non support within the congress??? So there is no truth to that??
No the bill is pending, and this one unlike the one they passed, hmmm 2003 I think it was, has support from both AKC and AVMA, so it is out there. But the more people that is pushing for it, the better. NOW as always there are people for and against, but if you are on the for side, and feel you want to support it. use the hsus.org site.
Marit
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OK I may be ignornat but who in theuir right mind vaccinates up to 5 times by 8 weeks of age! I went half way through this site and I read the word "stupid" "childish" "dumb" in reference to those of us who buy outside of this type of operation. HIghly insulting but when I reached the page of his "sterile" environment" the cages and cement floors, bleached water, microscopes, I am thinking what the h-ll kind of mad scientist is this? Appears to be a more expensive puppy mill of the smaller breed. I quit looking half way through. I am quite disgusted...
yes I know, it is such a rude tone he is using. And I agree, it is not really the usual kind of puppy mill, it is more like a puppy factory in that environment.
It is also amazing HOW dumb he must think people are. When he is refering to paws bill and how that will make ALL the pure bred dogs dissapear and they will all be mixed breeds form shelters. Well haha he is to 90% breeding hybrids, which is a fancy word for mutts. Giving them "breed names" like beaga-poo, ratadoodle and more. So how he thinks his so called breeding is in any way benefitting the pure bred dog I have just no idea.
Marit
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No the bill is pending, and this one unlike the one they passed, hmmm 2003 I think it was, has support from both AKC and AVMA>>>
Yes, it does have the support of those plus PETA, as did the AWA bill.
However most AKC breed parent clubs and the UKC are against it and making their voices heard. I think there is alot of wishful thinking that this bill will change the pet wholesale market. Currently the US government is in the worst financial state it has ever been, they simply do not have the man power or money to enforce this bill in the matter it needs to be. Maybe putting it a state level would be better?
JMT