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Mastiffs => Old English Mastiff Discussions => : poseidon March 20, 2006, 09:08:53 PM

: sad news for zena
: poseidon March 20, 2006, 09:08:53 PM
We have some bad news to report. Today when I got home from work one of Zenas puppies had died.  We think she may have layed on it or something.  The head was kinda flat on one side.  Has anyone ever been through this.  I had been crying alot (again). 

Chris
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: Kermit March 20, 2006, 09:17:17 PM
Oh no! :'( I am so so sorry. That is so sad. With a big heavy mommy like that... aw poor little puppy. :'(

My Rottie had a litter when I was a teenager, and one night soon after the babies were born I found one of them cold and lifeless. It is so heartbreaking. I know exactly how you feel.

Is everyone in a "whelping box"? I have seen a design that has these ledges on the sides that are supposed to help prevent mommies laying on babies... here is a picture of one, it has the railings around near the bottom. Maybe if yours doesn't have those you could put some in??

(http://www.sherlocks-country-store.co.uk/whelpingbox.jpg)

I sure hope the rest of the babies will stay safe. Hang in there. Now there will be more milk and love for the ones you still have. Again I am so sorry. :-[

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: Kermit March 20, 2006, 09:29:51 PM
Here's another picture with a different version of guard rails.

(http://www.thepetcenter.com/gen/imm_5.jpg)
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: ZooCrew March 20, 2006, 09:32:29 PM
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that.  but it's not an uncommen thing, and that is one reason they now have whelping boxes with ledges as doghealer suggested.

I hope the rest of the pups are doing well.
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: patrick March 21, 2006, 07:22:21 AM
Whelping boxes are a great idea but I stopped using them  I had a puppy actually die because of the ledge - he was crawling over it when mom changed position and crushed him between the ledge and her  - this was a 3 day old puppy.  So now we whelp in a private room with an expen to keep puppies contined - the x pen will move when mom lies against it and will not crush any puppy cause there is a hard surface
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: roxygirl March 21, 2006, 08:52:45 AM
Oh Chris, I am so sorry  :'(
Kim
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: EllieAndBlu March 21, 2006, 08:56:59 AM
I am so sorry to hear about the pup!
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: poseidon March 21, 2006, 09:24:19 PM
Thanks for all the advice.  I'm just curious about the rails and how it works.  What if the mom in in the middle of the box, how can it stop her from laying on them? The pup that was dead was in the middle of the box.  How big are the welping boxes y'all are using?  Thanks again for any advice you can give me.  I never want to go through this again.  I almost don't want her to have any more babies, because it is so hard to lose puppies when you love them so much.

Thanks, Chris
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: cuttles/sadieMay March 21, 2006, 11:31:26 PM
Such sad news!  :'( Sorry for your loss!
Carole