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BPO Growl & Howl Forum => Groans, Gripes, Brags & Boasts => : redbreast April 10, 2006, 07:04:47 AM
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Let me set the scene... 5 years ago we moved into a semi rural neighborhood. We wanted privacy but could not afford any acerage so we picked a house on a small street with only 3 houses on it. We pretty much stay to ourselves and live and let live. And two years later the neighbors from h*ll moved right next door. I have ignored these people and their ignorance for pretty much 3 years until Saturday. My friend brought her dog over and we let the dogs off leash to play. Well they went into the neighbors yard and the woman came out and told us to get the dogs off of her property. I said OK and rolled my eyes. Well appearently my voice tone was not to her liking and she started going off on me. I pretty much told her to F-off and tried to get the dogs back in the house. I obviously was not moving fast enough for her and she proceeded to kick one of my dogs. To make long story short I got about two inches from her face and told her if she lifts a foot to my dog again my baseball bat and her face would be having a meeting and few other choice words. After we got the dogs in the house I did get a little immature and told her to take her fat #$Q back in the house. She said her $%@ in no fatter than mine (it soooo is, I'm about a size 9 and she is about a 14, not that I have an issue with anyones weight but you mess with me and my dogs I will throw anything in your face I can) I then had to remind her I've seen her in a bikini and it wasn't pretty. Any way now I cannot let my dogs off leash and I have to worry everytime one of the kids opens a door that they may let a dog out. A fence is not an option. Anyone have any suggestions for a run? And before anyone says I should have clocked her which I very much wanted to, I work in healthcare and an assult charge would put my job in jepordy.
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If you don't want to spend alot just fence an area off with farm fencing.
Not be take your neighbors side in this but as you stated you are not friends with them I would have told you to keep your dogs off my property also. However I would not have kicked them for not returning to you by recall I would have returned them to you by their collars.
This is why I hate fence less communities so much!
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Or how about an invisible fence system ? We just put one in recently and it's nice to have !
As far as your neighbor goes , if she'd have kicked my dog I don't know what I would have done ! The gloves would've been off ,that's for sure !
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I have a neighbor who just lets their dog out. The dog mostly stays in it's own yard but about once a week will come over into my yard and sniff my dogs through the fence. My dogs go crazy and that scares the dog so then the dog will not move. It is a pain especially since I am working with my dogs on not barking at everything.
I would never kick this dog unless it was threatening me or my dogs. But I am also not about to go grab a scared dog and drag it home. I just get my dogs back in the house and it goes home. i don't know my neighbors so I haven't said anything about it. when it gets warmer I plan to introduce the dogs outside my property so maybe they will eventually be friends.
Please try to have a good relationship or at least civil with your neighbor. That is very important for many reasons. Life is terrible when you don't get along. Think about if something happened while you aren't home, who is going to save your dogs.
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First let me clarify - I was not letting the dogs play in their yard. I was attempting to get them out as soon as they went into her yard. My dogs are hardly ever off leash and I respect her not wanting the dogs in her yard. And if my house was on fire they would not save my dogs as a matter of fact I'm not sure she would even call 911. I am a very easy person to get along with and this women going off was not even about the dogs they just gave her a excuse. We had another Collie who disppeared over a year ago and I think they had something to with it. Ollie disappeared right after someone turned them in to the Humane Society for neglecting their dog. I believe they think I called. And the husband has made comments about shooting dogs when they don't work out for him.
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keep your dog in your own yard and out of your neighbors. it is quite simple.
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My sister's dogs do stay in their yard because they are tied out 99.9 percent of the time to go potty...otherw ise they are house dogs...Chopper comes back when called & is trained to stay with my sister & her family while walking to the car, etc...He is good about this...Honey is being trained to do the like but they got her fairly recently & she is still in training...Tha t is the dog that was kicked...The woman that kicked Honey is a real bit**!!...That family has gone through 4 dogs in the short time they lived there & with the exception of the 1st dog who THEY let run & was never confined the others have lived tied way out back in their yard in an open kennel...B.t.w ., the 1st dog bit my sister's son, my kids, & other neighbor kids after the idiot neighbors forwarned everyone in the neighborhood it would do so but they refused to confine it...We are pretty sure they shot the dog because that is what he said he would do...Dog problems & negleect of the dogs on their part is only part of it...She also tried to run my sister's dog over infront of my sister's house among other crazy things...Fenci ng is not an option because the my sister's yard is so uneven & odd shaped...To level it is not really feasible...Whe n Honey went into the neighbors yard my sister went to grab her immediatly...S he doesn't let her dogs play outside of the yard on the rare occurance they would be off leash...I would like to know the perfect dog & owner whos dog always goes where they want it to every single time...Who's dog has never, even in training, stepped outside of it's bounderies...I'd like to shake your hand because that is simply amazing!!!...I mean would you kick this dog?
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Believe me, there is a special place in h*ll for this woman...I mean would you kick this dog?
i wouldn't kick an animal for any reason, but i understand the frustration the neighbor feels with having their space violated; and much like cigarette smokers, dog owners have this amazing ability to not realize they are infringing on the rights of others when they allow their dogs to run free.
keep your pets out of your neighbor's yard and there won't be a problem.
while you're at it, make them quit barking. too.
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i wouldn't kick an animal for any reason, but i understand the frustration the neighbor feels with having their space violated; and much like cigarette smokers, dog owners have this amazing ability to not realize they are infringing on the rights of others when they allow their dogs to run free.
keep your pets out of your neighbor's yard and there won't be a problem.
while you're at it, make them quit barking. too.
From what I understand, they weren't allowing their dogs to run free. There is a difference b/t letting them off leash occasionially, and letting them run loose around the neighborhood.
And I'm not sure where the barking comment comes from. I didn't see anywhere the dogs were barking or anyone had a problem with barking dogs. ???
Of course one should keep dogs in their own yard. But when an owner immediately acts to retrieve a wandering dog, they should at least be offered the commen courtesy to do so instead of having their dog attacked in the process.
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Hi,
Difference of opinions looks to be the story here. :-\ Then the need to defend differences of opinion. Mistakes made, ??? yes, but no one but the Punter seems to have forthought their actions so drop it at that. Seems like the sensible end to this thread.
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My sister's dogs do stay in their yard because they are tied out 99.9 percent of the time to go potty...otherw ise they are house dogs...I mean would you kick this dog?
i wouldn't kick an animal for any reason, but i understand the frustration the neighbor feels with having their space violated; and much like cigarette smokers, dog owners have this amazing ability to not realize they are infringing on the rights of others when they allow their dogs to run free.
keep your pets out of your neighbor's yard and there won't be a problem.
while you're at it, make them quit barking. too.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my post...My sister is a responsible dog owner...This has nothing to do with the neighbor feeling her space was violated...The point at hand is that the dog was kicked for no good reason as my sister was going to retrieve her dog...Honey had been in her yard for just a moment, my sister was with her, & was calling her back when the lady came out...Why is this so confusing?
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uh, it isn't confusing whatsoever. if the dog hadn't been in her yard, it wouldn't have been kicked. kicking the dog was unnecessary, and i personally would never harm any animal, but the fact remains that the dog was on someone else's property.
dog owners are the responsible parties when their pet goes onto someone else's property.
pets should be kept on their owners property or in areas deemed specifically for pet use.
it is really very simple.
keep your dog on your own property and be respectful of your neighbors rights.
the lady shouldn't have kicked the dog.
the dog shouldn't have been on her property.
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Hi,
I'm not confused I agree with you and your sister.
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Hey hey hey everyone!
Sounds like there's some general ickyness....wh y don't we all just agree to a difference of opinion?
*hint, hint* let this thread go by the wayside.....
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You are absolutley correct in your last two statements...T hat is how it would always work in a perfect world...In saying that, that's why this forum called groans & gripes was added to BPO...It is a supposed to be a safe place to vent.
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I am not confused either. Pet owners know that at least ONE TIME in their pets life they will leave the yard, snap the chain, get away, etc...and the minute they leave the property whatever deemed necessary to punish the dog for leaving the confines of the invisible line in a yard even if it is for what15-30 seconds? ::) ::) ::)
Since some people can't just be nice maybe this thread should be done.
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actually, i wasn't being mean at all, just stating the obvious - keep your pet out of other's yard and there won't be a problem.
and i was also against any sort of violence against the animal.
but, sure, let the thread die.
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Sorry about your neighbor, my neighbors have been slobbered & drooled on, leaned up against, and even play pouncing, one of my neighbors kids will lay down on the ground and get licked to death, and they all thought it was great, I guess I should count my blessings to have such nice neighbors.
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Hi,
I'm not confused I agree with you and your sister.
Sorry Winslow 151!!!...I guess I used your words to make a point...I didn't mean to getcha! :-* :)
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Hi,
No problem, a good venting is important!! ;)And doing it online is way better than doing it in person!! Sometimes we can hide behind a forum name in the nether land of the www and poke jabs ???I just enjoy the support here and look forward to it like 95% (arbitrary selection of the percentage) ;) of the posters here seem too!!
Rich
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I would have probably kicked the neighbor.
That is why we live in the middle of no where.
I do let my Pry run but when the farmers aren't in the field. They will occasionally come up when the fields are being looked at to ask to take Cujo with them because of the coyotee population out here it just makes them feel better to have him there and know that he can and will take one down. The three brothers that farm out here are in their 70's so walking around fending off a wondering coyotee isn't an option.
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They will occasionally come up when the fields are being looked at to ask to take Cujo with them because of the coyotee population out here it just makes them feel better to have him there and know that he can and will take one down. The three brothers that farm out here are in their 70's so walking around fending off a wondering coyotee isn't an option.
That is amazing and I'd be so proud to have such a trusted dog -- that neighbors seek him out for his protection.
I really wish I could live out in the middle of nowhere so Einstein could run around all day and discover his potential!
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The farmers all know him so he is good with them. Plus he knows when we welcome someone in the yard and when we don't know if they are there.
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I didn't post right away cause my first reaction was to say that I probably would have jumped the neighbor. I thought I would think about it a little but I've come to the conclusion that I really would have kicked the snot out of the neighbor. I'm having issues with one of my neighbors right now...but it's her dog not mine that's causing the problem. And she doesn't care if the dog dies or what happens to him. (he's killing my livestock) So I'm going after her instead. The dog can't help being a dog and I don't think he needs to die because his owner is a complete moron.
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I didn't post right away cause my first reaction was to say that I probably would have jumped the neighbor. I thought I would think about it a little but I've come to the conclusion that I really would have kicked the snot out of the neighbor. I'm having issues with one of my neighbors right now...but it's her dog not mine that's causing the problem. And she doesn't care if the dog dies or what happens to him. (he's killing my livestock) So I'm going after her instead. The dog can't help being a dog and I don't think he needs to die because his owner is a complete moron.
i think violence is never the answer, but the sentiments expressed here do back up my assertion that it is the dog owners responsibility in every circumstance to keep their pets in their own yards and under control.
it is a simple fact and if followed, there would be much less tension between neighbors, and everyone would get along better.
i live in a small, rural neighborhood that has at least 10 dogs in it, and the majority of these dog owners couldn't give a flip what their dog is doing to bother the neighbors.
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Our closest neighbor takes his dogs in the field with him and they come in the yard sometimes. As neighbors and ones that get along, I either whistle for the guy or let his dog go. It isn't bothersome out here. There are only three houses out here and all three of us have dogs. We all feel that we moved out here to have the property to allow our dogs to roam. We never try to hurt one anothers dog nor do we get upset when they get away from the other neighbor. When it is an accident such as this was and the owner responsible takes or tries to get the dog immediatly then that is not an irresponsible owner.
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I didn't post right away cause my first reaction was to say that I probably would have jumped the neighbor. I thought I would think about it a little but I've come to the conclusion that I really would have kicked the snot out of the neighbor. I'm having issues with one of my neighbors right now...but it's her dog not mine that's causing the problem. And she doesn't care if the dog dies or what happens to him. (he's killing my livestock) So I'm going after her instead. The dog can't help being a dog and I don't think he needs to die because his owner is a complete moron.
i think violence is never the answer, but the sentiments expressed here do back up my assertion that it is the dog owners responsibility in every circumstance to keep their pets in their own yards and under control.
it is a simple fact and if followed, there would be much less tension between neighbors, and everyone would get along better.
i live in a small, rural neighborhood that has at least 10 dogs in it, and the majority of these dog owners couldn't give a flip what their dog is doing to bother the neighbors.
I still think you are confused fundamental... the issue of an animal left loose to kill livestock and a house pet that crosses an invisible line into a neighbors yard for 15 seconds are TOTALLY different issues. Like comparing apples to cucumbers...ob viously you don't see the point so we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue. Â
I saw a post on this thread earlier inviting you to introduce yourself and your pet. You have yet to do that. It would be nice for "the BPO family" to get to know one of the newest members on a thread besides this one.Â
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Fundamental do you have a dog. ??? I notice you are a recent member here so welcome to BPO. ;) I also see you have 6 posts all on this thread. Have you looked at the topics and read any other groupings.
I think you will find that this community will side with their Fur Kids in every instance, also we all accept responsibility for our Furkids and their behavior. Like skin kids they make mistakes we reprimand and correct those mistakes in both species. If your neighbor let their pets roam free please point them to BPO and they can get the best education available on how to Parent a fur kid properly.
You are barking up the wrong tree ;D if you think this community is going to fault a pup for a mistake and side with a violent act on that pup then sadly you found the wrong forum.
Rich
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I have a problem that is sort of the 'flip' side of this. We live on acreage, right in the middle of the ghetto. One of our neighbors has this dopey, old, basset hound that wanders into our yard and gives our rotty a coronary on a fairly regular basis. The second time I saw him (the first time I caught him) I found a tag on his collar for the number to call to talk to his owner. I called, the guy said he'd be right over, I told him he better hurry cause 'harley' got away from me and ran into the field. A few minutes later, the owner drives his car into the field (to far away for me to get over there quickly enough) and proceeds to beat this elderly dog. He then throws the dog (literally throws) into his car and leaves. Next time that dog comes into my yard, I'm nabbing him. I'm gonna feed him a bunch of yummies so he doesn't want to leave and if the guy calls I'm gonna say, "huh? I haven't seen that dog around here" while his dog licks my face.Â
Living here is like in that movie, "The Sixth Sense" only instead of dead people, I see tweakers.Â
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Oh that makes me so sad! My first dog was a basset hound and they are such sweeties! Steal him!! Steal him!! Poor old boy deserves better.
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Steal him!! Steal him!! Poor old boy deserves better.
;) ;)
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Oh that makes me so sad! My first dog was a basset hound and they are such sweeties! Steal him!! Steal him!! Poor old boy deserves better.
I second that! I hop you get the oportunity to rescue that sweet old bassett.... I still have a yucky pit in my stomach from reading your post... that bassett deserves way better.... and that owner should be in jail!
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Either you get him or I'll come for a visit and get him. I really do love bassets. They really are great dogs. What an idiot for an owner. I do feel your pain. Try living in the middle of the good ole boy redneck Bible thumping south! Of course they do no wrong...Makes me want to choke the spit out of them.
Fundemental - I didn't realize you were new here. Welcome! And please do post some pics. We would love to see them. And yes, a livestock killing dog is not the same as a housepet gone for a few seconds. The dog harrassing us is a hunting breed and is only doing what he's bred to do. Same reason my danes aren't allowed into the goat pens or in with the chickens. And under the law, a livestock killing dog dies. Period. It's the reason I haven't called the animal control people. Personally, I think the owner should be the one who gets beaten....or starved...or something equally as heinous. And if her dog tears up one more pen, I'm going to be the one to do it to her. This is Alabama after all...there LOTS of places to hide a body.
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First I would like to thank everyone who supported me after my Honey got booted. I never intended to cause any conflict and I'm sorry that I did.
Doggylover - I highly recommend the next time that poor basset comes into your yard you take it to your local Humane Society and after the owner does not retrieve him, which I'm guessing he won't, then you or another nice person will adopt him. But on the downside buttholes like that will probably just get a new dog to abuse. :'( I will never understand why people like that even want a dog. ???