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: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions? Update! I'm not happy! lol
: Lyn April 24, 2006, 08:45:04 AM
I'm still looking for a fish based kibble for Bubba and I'm having issues finding a good one. I need help! lol  ;)

It must not contain.. corn, wheat, soy, (due to allergies) stool hardeners like beet pulp or Menadione (synthetic vit K). Has to be all fish.. can't even have chicken fat.

I was going to go with the Fromm Salmon a la veg but it contains menadione. Apparently some companies are removing it from their lines so I just finished emailing Fromm to see if they are. I'm crossing my fingers that they are BUT if they don't I need to find something else.

Anyone have any suggestions? Please!  ;D
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: Kiahpyr April 24, 2006, 08:49:24 AM
Have you tried Natural Balance Sweet Potato & Fish?

Let's try the link again. It's not working!

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: shangrila April 24, 2006, 08:56:41 AM
Solid Gold fish holistic blends might meet your needs. http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/products/showproduct.php?id=6&code=163 It doesn't have any of the things you mentioned and fish is the only animal protein
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: GreatDanz April 24, 2006, 09:03:42 AM
How about Timberwolf Organics - Ocean Blue?

Ingredients:
Low ash white fish meal, salmon, potatoes, sardine/mackerel/anchovy/tuna oils, kelp, alfalfa leaf, potassium chloride, amaranth, carrot, watercress, spinach, celery, parsley, fennel seed, blueberries, cranberries, pears, figs, thyme, anise seed, ground cinnamon bark, fenugreek, garlic pieces, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, apples, taurine, spirulina, choline chloride, lecithin, probiotics: (lactobacillus acidophilus, lactobacillus casei, lactobacillus lactis, bacillus bifidum, streptococcus diacetilactis, bacillus subtillus), taurine, mixed tocopherols (a source of vitamin E), lysine, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, thiamine, methionine, carnitine, niacin, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, iodine proteinate, vitamin D3 supplement, biotin, folic acid, pyridoxine (a source of vitamin B6), copper proteinate, selenium proteinate, cobalt proteinate, papain, yucca schidigera extract

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein: 26%
Fat: 16%
Fiber: 3%
Moisture: 9%

Additional Nutrient Guarantees
Calcium: 1.5%
Phosphorus: 0.9%

Calories
approx. 550 Kcal/cup (calculated)

Omega Fatty Acids
Omega 6: min 3.4%
Omega 3: min 1.4%
Ratio: 2.4:1

In regards to Natural Balance, from Mordanna's site:

I just received the following official statement from Natural Balance in regards to Menadione:

Please know that the Vitamin K Supplement is no longer in the Natural Balance dog and cat formulas. All of our new bags dated with the year 2007 will no longer have Vitamin K Supplement. Please note, that at this time we are working on removing this from the ingredient listing.

Sincerely,

Jennifer Freeman
Customer Service Rep.
Natural Balance Pet Foods Inc.
800-829-4493

So when buying Natural Balance foods, make sure you don't pick up any of the remaining old bags with a 2006 date.
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: Kiahpyr April 24, 2006, 09:26:28 AM
Testing cause this whole link thing is driving me insane.

www.naturalbal anceinc.com
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: Fumble April 24, 2006, 05:08:29 PM
fumble is on the proplan sensitive skin and stomach, that's salmon based.. but i've heard GREAT things about the wellness food!  we got the treats for him! (the chicken is what was causing his ear/yeast infections)... but he LOVES the wellness whitefish treatS!!  :) good luck, let us know what you decide!
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: Lyn April 24, 2006, 07:31:11 PM
Awesome thank everyone. :)

Oooooo I really like the Timberwolf Organics.. but the closest retailer for them in is Toronto at Global pet foods. If one Global pet food store can get it, the others should be able to also.. maybe. Even if I have to order it. I'll call and ask.

Good to know that Natural Balance removed the menadione but I don't really like their ingredients in the fish and potato.. There's more Potato than fish. :-\

I've tried Wellness before and Bubba won't eat it at all.

I'll look up the others mentioned.. thanks again.  ;D
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: GreatDanz April 24, 2006, 08:25:36 PM
Oooooo I really like the Timberwolf Organics.. but the closest retailer for them in is Toronto at Global pet foods. If one Global pet food store can get it, the others should be able to also.. maybe. Even if I have to order it. I'll call and ask.

I thought the same thing!

I noticed it's pretty high in calories so you may need to feed less than you're used to.
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: WhiteShepherdDog April 24, 2006, 09:25:29 PM
I feed Wellness Fish and Sweet potato---it is carried locally in my area only by pet stores--they don't sell to the big box pet store chains.
It is whitefish and all human grade ingredients.
Jasper loves it.
I alternate among all the different Wellness products.
For training we use the Natural Balance chubs.
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: Lyn April 25, 2006, 03:44:33 AM
Ok Fromm's customer service sucks. I still haven't heard anything back from them regarding the menadione. :-\

As for Timberwolf Organics... the other Global pet food store I phoned had never heard of it. I gave her the number for the toronto store that carries it and she said she would call them and find out about it getting it for me. That was this morning and I haven't heard back from her yet.

There are a few other food places I can call. Maybe I'll email Timberwolf and ask if there are any other ontario retailers. Maybe they are not all listed on their website.

I hate switching foods.. it's frustrating. I can never find what I want. I even thought about ordering it online, but I can just imagine the shipping cost. lol
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: Lyn April 25, 2006, 07:21:51 PM
Ok I found this food.. New Eagle Pack Holistic select Fish and Oatmeal.

How does it look? I really don't like the beet pulp or the brewers yeast.. but it could be worse. :-\ I'm also a bit worried about the salt content.

Anchovy, Sardine & Salmon Meals (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Oatmeal, Ground Brown Rice, Pearled Barley, Menhaden Oil (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Sun-Cured Alfalfa Meal, Air Dried Peas, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Dried Carrots, Dried Apples, Inulin, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Dandelion (Organic), Garlic Powder, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Dehydrated Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes (sequestered) of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium, B. Subtillus, Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae and Aspergillus niger.

Crude Protein min. 22.0%
Crude Fat min. 12.0%
Crude Fiber max. 3.9%
Moisture max. 10.0%
 
356 ME (Kcal/cup)
 
Calcium min. 0.95%**
Phosphorus min. 0.80%**
Vitamin A min. 22,000 IU/kg.
Vitamin E min. 125 IU/kg.
Omega 6 min. 3.2%*
Omega 3 min. .44%*
Glucosamine min. 400 ppm; 41 mg/cup*

Anyone else here feeding this stuff? Or feed Eagle Pack in general?
 
: Re: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions?
: GreatDanz April 25, 2006, 08:17:04 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about the beat pulp.  Unless you're going to start feeding a diet of fresh fish and stuff made at home there's always going to be something in there that's not perfect.

I did try Eagle on my older dane when he was a pup, and we had huge cow-patty poops about four times a day, but it was not the fish formula.  Maybe you'll have better luck.

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: Lyn April 25, 2006, 08:47:27 PM
Which formula did you try? We tried their large breed puppy when Bubba was small and he had the cow pattie poops too. But the ingredients were poor in that formula to say the least. Corn is the 3rd ingredient. Bubba is allergic/intolerant of corn which we didn't know at the time so I'm hoping we won't have that problem with the fish/oatmeal one.

I got your PM, if you can find out any info for me concerning the Timberwolf that would be awesome! The Ocean Blue is definitely my first choice..

I'm going to call Global pet food back today since they never called me. I'm curious to know what they found out. Unless they never bothered to call since they can't get it. :(
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: GreatDanz April 26, 2006, 12:19:55 AM
I'm pretty sure it was the puppy food now that I think about it.  Oh well, live and learn! :)
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: Lyn April 26, 2006, 09:19:35 PM
Everyone I've talked to isn't too keen on the Eagle Pack. I've tried to explain to them that this kibble is corn, wheat and soy free unlike EP's other kibbles. But they are stuck on the 'poorness' of their other formulas and just keep trying to talk me into something else. LOL

I'm going to just have to go in and stick the bag under their noses so they can read it for themselves. :D
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: Lyn June 16, 2006, 11:59:19 AM
Well.. just a little update. The Eagle Pack Fish and Oatmeal works great for Bubba. But the only local store I can get it from doesn't have any bags in stock and are no longer carrying it. >:( They are removed it from their stock list all together. :-\

What ticked me off is that I had no idea they were even remotely thinking of not stocking it. So here I am basically out of kibble and having to switch pretty much cold turkey to something else. >:(

I'm going to pick up the Fromm Salmon a la Veg.. I'm hoping since it's also salmon that it won't be too much of a shock to his system. I have enough Eagle Pack to mix maybe 2 meals. ARG!
: Re: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions? Update! I'm not happy! lol
: Kiahpyr June 16, 2006, 12:19:27 PM
That sucks! I know how hard you worked on finding the right kibble. Have our paws crossed that the new food works.
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: Pilgrim247 July 10, 2006, 12:31:39 PM
We eat Eagle Pack...Anchovy, Sardine & Salmon Meals (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Oatmeal, Ground Brown Rice, Pearled Barley, Menhaden Oil (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Sun-Cured Alfalfa Meal, Air Dried Peas, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Dried Carrots, Dried Apples, Inulin, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Dandelion (Organic), Garlic Powder, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Dehydrated Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes (sequestered) of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium, B. Subtillus, Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae and Aspergillus niger.
: Re: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions? Update! I'm not happy! lol
: Pilgrim247 July 10, 2006, 12:37:13 PM
We order the eaglepack fish online from PetCO OR from Pet food direct.
: Re: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions? Update! I'm not happy! lol
: Saint and Mal mom July 10, 2006, 04:27:56 PM
What about California Natural Herring and Sweet Potato formula? There are lots of stores listed on the site that sell it in your area. I checked all the ingredients I could and didn't see any that Bubba couldn't have. I've never tried any of California Natural's foods myself, but they're the same company that is connected with Innova, so maybe it would work?
Here's a link so you can see it for yourself. Hope you find a food that works!
http://www.naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail&pxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@id%3D%271326%27%5D
: Re: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions? Update! I'm not happy! lol
: shangrila July 10, 2006, 05:24:19 PM
What about California Natural Herring and Sweet Potato formula?

I was going to suggest the same thing. I was researching sensitive tummy foods for zoey and california natural is supposed to be really good with sensitive stomachs, so maybe their fish & potato one would be good for bubba
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: Lyn July 10, 2006, 06:28:20 PM
Pilgrim247 (Welcome to BPO by the way ;D ), The Anchovy, Sardine & Salmon is actually the one I was feeding and had trouble finding.

Actually I forgot to update this post again.. I did find a store willing to keep the Eagle Pack in stock for me. Thank goodness because the Fromm didn't agree with Bubba at all!
 
: Re: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions? Update! I'm not happy! lol
: ptkennel August 12, 2006, 11:54:18 AM
Hi .
I am a new retailer in the business of selling dog food.  I have ACANA dog food in my shop and they have a Salmon and Potato formula that I think might work for you.  Only not too sure it does have dried beet pulp(sugar removed) in it but it doesn't say how much. 
Good luck finding the right food.
check out the website:  www.championpe tfoods.com
TTYL
Dot
: Re: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions? Update! I'm not happy! lol
: sarnewfie August 13, 2006, 01:38:36 AM
I would not feed giant breed pups the fish only formula, many newf breeders are cautioning anyone with a pup to not feed the fish specific diet to young growing newfs, it is fine for the adults, over two years of age.
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: Lyn August 13, 2006, 05:20:11 AM
sarnewfie, I've heard the same thing regarding fish based foods and pups.. But it's the only kibble Bubba can eat and I've tried many different proteins with him. He has an insanely sensitive tummy. He's 18 months old now. We just tried California Natural chicken meal and rice with horrible results (watery bloody diarrhea). I may be able to add a very very small amount of the CN to the EP fish.. but probably not enough to do anything nutrient wise. Even just a 1/4 cup of the CN causes him to have loose stool, more than a 1/4 cup causes booty blowout.  :(

Lola is only 4 months old.. I'm mixing the California Natural in with the Eagle pack fish for her. I'm slowly increasing the amount of CN. I'm trying to get her up to half chicken, half fish. Would that be ok?
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: ptkennel August 13, 2006, 05:23:52 AM
have you tried any lamb and rice products yet?  Allergic to lamb?  Just an idea.... ???
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: LuvmyMal August 13, 2006, 09:16:51 AM
Sounds like my Tonka, she has IBD and is on a Duck and Potato Formula made by Pinnacle they also have Trout and Sweet Potato, here are the ingredients and the website:

www.breeders-choice.com

Pinnacle Canine
Allergen-Free Trout & Sweet Potato Dry Formula

Reaching New Heights in Pet Nutrition

Holistic Trout and Sweet Potato Formula
Stay-Fresh Package to Lock in Freshness
Grapeseed Oil for a Healthier Skin and Coat
Contains No Allergens Such as Corn, Wheat, Rice, Barley, Sorghum or Soy
Contains Organically Grown Quinoa
Formulated for Adults
Great taste your dog will LOVE!
It sounds like an entrée at a fine restaurant, fresh trout and delicious sweet potatoes. But these are also a fine and delicious source of nutrition and make Pinnacle an excellent choice for active adult dogs. Good nutrition is about variety, and the variety of protein sources in Pinnacle —the trout, the potatoes, plus toasted oats and the grain quinoa— means all essential amino acids are here. It also means that complex carbohydrates, essential for energy, come from a variety of sources as well.

For the right kind of fats, with Omega 6 and 3 fatty acids for healthy skin and a glowing coat, we’ve used both canola and grape seed oil. Making sure that all the nutritional elements are available for absorption is of the utmost importance, so chelated vitamins and probiotics play an important role in Pinnacle’s quality. Abundant antioxidants keep your dog’s system cleansed of toxins and free radicals. And the natural preservatives vitamins C and E, plus our oxygen barrier bag, guarantee the freshness of Pinnacle’s quality ingredients.

Feeding Directions
Your dog's nutritional requirements will vary according to age, breed, environment and activity levels. Feed adult dogs once per day or divide equal portions and feed twice per day. When switching to Pinnacle, gradually increase the amount of Pinnacle while decreasing the previous food over a 3 to 5 day period.

Feeding Directions Breed Size
Weight of Dog Amount


All Natural Ingredients
Plus Essential Vitamins & Minerals with Added Probiotics
Trout, Oatmeal, Toasted Oats, Herring Meal, Oat Flour, Canola Oil, Sweet Potato, Calcium Carbonate, Flax Seed, Lecithin, Grapeseed Oil (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Dicalcium Phosphate, Quinoa, Rosemary, Sage, Papain, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacteriu m Bifidum Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus Licheniformis Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Lactis Fermentation Product, Vitamin E, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Calcium Pantothenate, Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin A Acetate, Ascorbic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Amino Acid Complex, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Biotin, Sodium Selenite.


After trying many other foods we found out she was also allergic to Salmon and rice and that was on the list of things that was causing her flare ups. We have been on Pinnacle since Feb. 2006 and have had wonderful results, she did not care for the canned version within a few weeks so we substitute 1 red potato at every meal along with her kibble.
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: sarnewfie August 14, 2006, 12:30:59 AM
What happens is the development of bones and joints gets off kilter, sometimes pasterns are affected or the hocks turn bad, the food is a critical componant when a young growing dog.
did you think of trying raw meat?
the raw diets are wonderful.
i would only stick to advice given you by those who really know the giant breeds and know the growth problems that happen from dog foods that are not balanced enough.
lamb might be an option, but i would not bank on it, more and more dogs are allergic to lamb than people realize.
do you have a breeder who coaches you? or is this a rescue?
if you need some expert advice i can put you in touch with someone.
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: Lyn August 14, 2006, 03:34:51 AM
Sar, They are both byb dogs technically. Bubba's parents are health tested but Lola's are not. Someone bought her from a byb and had her 1 week.. then we brought her home at 10 weeks old. I get tons of help and info from here (thanks all  ;) ) and my vet. They are a few local breeders I could contact.. I have in the past and they were very helpful. I will definitely email them and get their take on Saints and nutrition.

The only reason I wanted to 'try' something else was due to cost issues. We had a pretty bit hit in the wallet recently. I took us off guard. It's tight but we have squeezed in the cost of the EP. So it's all good. ;)

The fish based kibble was recommended for Bubba by my vet when I refused to feed their vet formula junk. We had done testing galore and stool samples galore with no answer to why he's having stool issues. It was in a sense a last resort. I never thought it would work honestly but he firmed up pretty much instantly when I started feeding the EP. If the diarrhea goes on for more than 3-4 days Bubba starts dropping weight. With this last switch to CN he lost 7 pounds! It's some scary stuff.. Since being put back on the EG he's gained back 5 pounds.

Here are the list of foods we have tried.. I hope I don't miss any. :-\ They range from grocery store crap to high end holistic/premium in no particular order.

Science Diet large breed puppy - (Bubba was on this when we brought him home)
Solid Gold - Wolfcub, Wolfking, Mmillenia and hundenflocken.
Wellness - The Chicken one and the Lamb one.
Natural Balance - Duck and Potato and Venison and brown rice.
Purina ONE - Large breed puppy I believe.
Eukanuba - Large breed puppy
Pro Plan - Large breed puppy
Fromm - Salmon a la veg.
California Natural- Chicken meal and rice.
And currently the Eagle Pack, Anchovy, Sardine and Salmon.

So there's 15 different kibbles (I don't think I missed any) in Bubba's 18 months. Some he was on longer than others depending on how bad he reacted to them. So far like I said the Eagle Pack is the only one he can eat without booty blowout.  :-\

I'm tempted to try the Eagle Pack holistic Chicken one. I'm going to be picking that up next for Lola anyway once the California Natural runs out. The CN is just too rich even for her and she can eat anything. I might try adding a little of the EP chicken to Bubba's meals. I am done trying switch him completely to another food though but if can get him to eat a mixture of both without problems I'd be happy with that.

Luvmymal. I think I couldn't get Pinnacle here. Before we settled on the Eagle Pack I was looking at all the fish based foods available.
: Re: Fish Based Kibble.. Suggestions? Update! I'm not happy! lol
: sarnewfie August 14, 2006, 03:39:23 AM
A few things, does she have irritable bowel syndrome? did your vet check specifically for that?
if she does have it, Boxers and GSD are famous for having that, the back to basic pork formula has been a miracle for many owners of these dogs.
pork is a easier digestable form of protein, it is gentle on the tummy to.
i would definatly try that.
switching foods so much is frustrating, but to, i would try to get a diagnosis, IBS is very common and unfortunatly often overlooked by many vets.
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: CalistogaPyr August 21, 2006, 09:55:25 AM
Bo has IBD, too, and has recently had a flare up.  I was considering switching her from Natural Balance fish & potato to something more gentle & lower fat, but I didn't know if such a thing existed.  Any suggestions?  Right now she's on boiled chicken & rice w/pumpkin and it's a much slower recovery than the last time. 
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: Lyn August 22, 2006, 04:10:51 AM
Sar, I'm not sure if he tested for IBS or not. We did so many tests I can't remember what we've done and what we haven't. I'm wondering if he suspected IBS though since he suggested the fish based kibble. If I'm remembering correctly dogs with IBS/IBD are told to feed fish right? Since it's easy to digest?

I have to go back in to pick up some more flea/heartworm meds. So I'll get someone to check his file.

CalistogaPyr, Sorry I don't have any suggestions.. Maybe Sar will have some ideas for you.
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: brandon August 22, 2006, 12:39:59 PM
Well, with our problem with Bava, the vet gave him something to calm down his colon.  He gave him a shot and prescribed some pills.  Mike (Our vet) said that sometimes their colon gets excited (not sure how he put it really, but something like that) and the only way to get it from being 'excited/irritated' is via drugs.  After a week of blowouts we're back to normal the next morning, I'm gonna keep him on it for a couple of days.
I can look & see what it was he prescribed if you'd like to know.

I also asked about changing our food, and he said that we for sure didnt' want to swap over cold-turkey, even if it were the food causing the problem, to stay with it and gradually switch, or we could have some really bad problems.
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: brandon August 22, 2006, 12:42:08 PM
Ok, sorry Lyn, I really should have read the thread first, you didn't say the Bubba was having problems again, I just kinda figured with his past history of having an upset tummy, that he must be having the problem again.
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: sarnewfie August 22, 2006, 11:37:02 PM
if the fish works great, but, i do know for a fact the back to basic pork formula is helping the boxers and GSD who are suffering from irritable bowel syndrome.
feed what works, if the fish doesnt do it, than go to the pork. ;)
good luck!