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Old English Mastiff Discussions / Re: Changed my user from Homers Mom
« on: November 07, 2008, 11:07:26 am »
I just want to warn you that, it could take weeks for your pup to get acclimated to his new food. Give it about 2-3 months. Don't get discouraged! Eagle Pack has a product called Holistic Transition. If you can find it, it's worth the $. http://www.eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_Transition.html

BTW Homer is a looker!

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Old English Mastiff Discussions / Re: Grooming help
« on: September 07, 2008, 06:34:11 am »
Hi, Charlie is my boy and he is a 2 year old OEM.
Julie is right about the food! Not only does a high quality kibble help with the shedding and make his coat shiny and soft, it helps with less poop!
Grooming a Mastiff is very easy. One to two times per week with a shedding blade or comb is sufficient(I use the "Furminator"). Cutting nails is important and should be done regularly (Does anyone use the "Peticure" http://www.peticure.com/ ? I was wondering if it is large enough to fit my boys' nails in the opening). It should be started early in life as wrestling with a large dog is very interesting! Teeth cleaning should also be done regularly. And don't forget his ears! I have to do Charlies one a week.

I still dont know how to add a avatar so don't feel bad!




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http://www.pigpalssanctuary.com/
or http://www.bellydraggersranch.com/about_us.html
Don't know if this would help but it's worth a try.
Maybe they could give you a name of someone in your area.

I so glad that Mia found a great home and that you will be able to visit!


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WOW, this thread makes me sad and angry!
I could never ever give up my boy willingly (let alone to a stranger on craigslist). My God, that poor pup is a living being, not a piece of furniture.
I think one of the requirements that breeders should have before letting someone take one of their pups is, have them come over in all white and be surrounded by all of the drooling , snoring, poop eating giants! If the person can handle having a slinger hanging from their hair and not freak out, they pass. I just don't understand why people would want a breed of dog that they didn't research, have never been around or ever talked to someone that has one. These giant breeds are expensive to feed and vet bills are higher because of their size. The pros of having a mastiff are many - one of them is - just look in their eyes, you can see all of the love that they have for their family.

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Hi
I'm glad you are looking for a new trainer. Mastiffs are a very sweet (and somethimes bull headed)breed, they don't take very well with this type of handling. What may work for one breed may do harm to the next. Your pup sounds like he may be teething, not showing aggression. Depending where you live, it may be hard to find someone who knows anything about mastiffs. Talk to your vet, talk to F.O.R.M. (it's a english mastiff rescue org.) they may be able to recommend someone to you. When we were (and still) training my boy (he just turned 2) we used positive reinforcement. I belong to another mastiff site and here is a snipet by someone who I feel is very knowlegable explaining it

"learning is a science. all dogs, eagles, people, lions, fish and turtles learn the same way, the brain chemicals are identical. i will add that each species also has hard-wired behaviors, described in "the misbehavior of organisms" that can sometimes not be overcome, even by the best and bob and keller and marion were the best (bob still is).

http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Breland/misbehavior.htm

(i would suggest that you do not attempt to say "the misbehavior of organisms" after you have had 2 glasses of wine because you will undoubtedly mispronounce the last word and be very embarassed.... eyeroll.)

there are rules of learning:

1. reinforce the behaviors you want
2. ignore the behaviors you don't want

these can be proven over and over and over and over and over, and have been in thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or millions of lab experiments.

behaviorial science is a science, held to the same standards as chemistry. published work must be reproducable, peer reviewed, challenged, re-proven, etc.

part of that science is learning how to learn. when we manipulate dogs into sit (pull up on collar, push down on butt), they are not learning how to learn or learning what sit really means, they are learning an avoidance behavior because they sit to avoid discomfort.

when we free-shape or lure them to sit, they are not only solidly learning how to sit, they are also improving their ability to learn.

dunbar tells a story about a seminar where the audience was dog trainers, with dogs. he asked them to stand up, face away from their dog and cue their dog to sit. these were experienced trainers, people who had multiple obedience titles. one dog sat. that dog was the only dog in the room who had been trained with a clicker, all the others had been trained to sit with the pull/push method. that dog absolutely understood what 'sit' meant. the others only knew it in avoidance context, not when their owners were facing away.

that's one key difference between positive training (which doesn't need a clicker but generally works better with a clicker) and the old pop and jerk training, the behavior is understood.

it's like tying shoelaces. no matter how much people describe it, you never really learn it until you do it yourself. dogs are no different, by figuring out how to do it themselves, they truely learn it. and they are making themselves smarter, they are learning how to learn so that everything they learn is learned faster and the behavior is stronger.

another thought are the studies done on children. asking a child to "climb down" is much more effective than yelling "DON"T CLIMB ON THE CHAIR".
since dogs and children have the same brain chemistry for learning, it's not implausible to consider that the same thing is true for dogs.

that's a brief snippet of the science side of learning. when it can be proven over and over and over that positive reinforcement works better than punishment, i'll take the proven method any time. "

Good luck with your new baby!



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Old English Mastiff Discussions / Re: Need help with new mastiff
« on: November 15, 2007, 11:45:38 am »
Charlie (English Mastiff) was 14 months when he came to live with us. I had to go and pick him up. I spent about a hour with him at his old home. He went straight to the car with me, no problem. His old owner gave me all of his toys and about a week worth of his food (make sure you find out what they are feeding him, you know the dog food rule, change over slowly). I was a little afraid to introduce him to my cat, but he learned fast not to mess with him. Charlie just turned 2 this month. He is a 180# lap dog. I think this breed bonds fast with the people that show them love and attention. Also,the suggestion to introduce the dogs in a neutral place is a great idea! If you are worried about the pulling (dragging) on the leash, I would suggest the easy walk harness. It's worked wonders for us.

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Old English Mastiff Discussions / Re: Mastiff Info Please
« on: September 28, 2007, 09:59:12 am »
I feed my Charlie Eagle Pack Holistic Select for large & giant breeds.
You can check them out at  http://www.eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_Dog.html
He also gets a can of Merrick wet food mixed into his dinner. Their dry kibble is also great!
http://www.merrickpetcare.com.
There are a lot of great foods out there, you just have to read labels and make sure that they only use "human Grade" ingredients. And as I said before, make sure the first ingredients are a specified meat product. You donít want a lot of fillers (you have to feed more, thus more poop!). I found that the "Big Box" pet stores and grocery stores only carry crap food, although PetSmart carries Blue Buffalo, itís way too rich for my boys tummy, go to the smaller pet stores. They carry a better variety. I shop at Pet Supplies Plus, maybe you have one in your area.  You will also need to know what your breeder is feeding, decide if you want to keep your pup on that, if not you will have to do a gradual switch with the foods (or you risk explosive diarrhea).  I would only keep your pup on puppy food for 4-6 months, check with your vet. Since you have been researching you know that pups should be kept with their momís for as long as possible. She will teach him about social behavior and bit inhibition (those milk teeth hurt). Charlie was rolled on, laid on and over loved by the kids. He has never shown any aggression. If he had enough he would walk away and go to his crate. The kids knew that it was Charlieís space and that they were not to mess with him there, it was his rest time.  Of course we no longer use a crate as we have a small house and the size we would need now would take up to much room, he has his own love seat to relax on. Your son is old enough to follow simple rules with a puppy. One last thing (as I seem to be writing a novel) take your puppy to puppy classes. PetCo and PetSmart both offer them. You will be thankful for the training when your pup is older and out weighs you!

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Old English Mastiff Discussions / Re: Mastiff Info Please
« on: September 27, 2007, 08:26:40 pm »
Hi,
I have a oe mastiff. I can tell you that he is the most lovable guy. He was raised along side two toddlers and a cat. He loves all people and the cat puts up with him. I've never meet a eo mastiff that wasn't friendly (but of course they were all well socialized). The only two cons that I see in owning one of these breeds are:
1.  They think that they are lap dogs.
2.  The slobber, it goes everywhere! You can't have a week stomach.
Just do your research before you decide on the right pet for you. These guys can go over 200#ís.
Make sure you research your breeder, make sure they do health testing! Please donít buy from a pet store, they get their puppies from puppy mills.
Some health issues with the eo mastiff are hip/joints, bloat.
This brings up the vet - make sure that vet that you decide on knows about mastiffs, you would be surprised at how many donít.
Also, pet food - with the giant breeds you donít keep them on puppy food very long. The idea is to let them grow at a slow pace (this helps with the joints. Buy the best pet food that you can. Read the list of ingredients, a specified meat (ie. Chicken, beef, lamb) should be the first ingredient listed. The better the food, the less they need to feel full, the less that comes out of the other end!
Yes they do get paint peeling gas! I found that if I add a few spoons of  yogert to his meals that helps cut it down a lot.
Charlie is a year and a half and weighs in at about 170#. We walk him twice a day in total of about 2 miles plus he does his daily jog around the pool in the yard. My home will never be without a oe mastiff, they are the best feet warmers  ;)!

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