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General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / UH OH!!!
« on: June 20, 2009, 07:34:41 am »
> I forgot to lock up the toilet tissue- Odyssey's favorite toy. Not only is it her favorite but she takes great delight in showing the other puppies just how much fun it is.
> So the living room is now covered with 100 million pieces of mud covered toilet paper

General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / The Youngsters!
« on: June 17, 2009, 09:38:46 am »
These are my 3 pups this year in descending ages  Ethan is 5 months, Tillie May is now 3 months and the newest member, Lavender, will be coming in August.  I plan on keeping the 2 girls but will be looking for a great home for Ethan.   Pics attached

General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / Puppy Fever!
« on: May 31, 2009, 12:12:55 pm »
Pics of my new baby at 5 weeks!  Her mom is a sister to Lily- she also had a litter about the same time as Lily

General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / SMILE!
« on: April 16, 2009, 01:51:11 pm »
Definitely worth looking at!

Great Pyrenees Pictures / Awesome News!
« on: January 16, 2009, 01:48:38 am »
My Great Pyrenees bitch CH Patorama One Lump Or Two has earned the coveted achievement of TOP Producer in the nation for 2008!!

For those who don't know "Bump" is also the mother of "Lily"

General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / Carting
« on: September 03, 2008, 08:28:31 am »
Edie LOVES her new cart- she just beams when we go to hook up and can't stop wagging her tail.  Its surprising how much she has enjoyed from the very first time but it is the highlight of her day!

General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / 2 Pyrs in Need URGENT
« on: August 21, 2008, 07:53:10 am »
 From: Erin Powell
> To: Erin Powell
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:29 AM
> Subject: Critical - moving in less than 1 week
> Dear Rescuers ~ Received a call from a young girl yesterday who was
> crying b/c she has not been able to find placement for her 2 Great
> Pyrenees in the past few months. She is moving to Europe in less
> than 1 week. The info about her 2 male dogs is below. They are not
> fixed yet, but current on shots and HW preventative. We can get them
> fixed so they don't wind up in the hands of breeders. She has kept
> them mainly outdoors except during the months her father is out of
> the country. They are potty trained and good with kids. If you have
> anyone looking to adopt, please let me know ASAP. THanks.
> Erin Powell
> Board of Directors
> P.O. Box 30484
> Charlotte , NC 28230
> 704-714-4288
> www.spcaallian (web & PAY PAL donation link)

Great Pyrenees Discussions / Patorama The Full Monty
« on: January 18, 2008, 12:41:48 am »
My Lil Man just finished his championship today at 10 months old!!!!! :D

Book Club & Noteworthy Reads / A poem
« on: October 28, 2007, 04:59:36 am »
Two angel puppies up in the sky
Waiting to greet their Mum by & by.
They know that she’ll come, though it won’t be soon,
But until she does they will sit by the moon.
It will shine in their eyes, reflect down to the earth
And four new little stars will record their birth.

On clear summer nights, cold, frosty ones too
When you look up at the stars, they’ll be looking at you,
They know that you loved them though their time here was short,
They wanted to stay and, like you, they fought,
But it wasn’t to be, (we’ll never know why)
And now they run free ‘cross the breadth of the sky.

Running like whippets, light as a breeze,
skimming the grass, racing round trees,
Four shooting stars playing 'Tag' with the sun,
For that you need two, it’s no fun with one,
But they have each other through their starry wait
‘Till they meet all the family outside Heaven’s gate.

So grieve for those angels, puppies so small
You’ll never forget them whate’er may befall,
But think of them now as spirits set free,
Chasing clouds in the sky, which is where they will be.
Two whippets in heaven can run all the day
Then curl at God’s feet when they’ve finished their play.

Two angel puppies up in the sky
Waiting to greet their Mum by & by.
Chasing the clouds, playing tag with the sun,
While waiting for you they’ll be having some fun.
Sliding down moonbeams on clear, starry nights,
Killing cloud 'stuffies’ & having play fights.

So when clouds are scudding across the dark sky
Or you see shooting stars cross the firmament high,
Smile to yourself and hold this thought near,
Whatever life brings, you have nothing to fear
While four little stars are twinkling, it’s true
Those two angel puppies are watching for you.

© Carol Blight, October 2007

Food Discussion & Information / Cooking With Dog Hair
« on: August 28, 2007, 04:55:36 am »
The proper way to cook with dog hair--by Mary E. Wolley
Do you remember how embarrassed you were the last time you had company for dinner and when they dug several dog hairs from your best gourmet effort? This is because there is a right and a wrong way to cook with dog hairs.
First, we must remember each dish calls for a different variety. If you are unfortunate enough to own only one variety, I'm sure you can come up with a friend who will be willing to lend you the proper variety of hair or you could even order a rare variety, as they are light and easy to mail. There are many dishes that are basic to most menus and these can always be spiced up with the buff variety, which are especially useful when baking biscuits, pastries and yellow cakes. The black and tan hairs go well with fall dishes, Thanksgiving turkey, mince or pumpkin pies or even yams. Black, of course is for your roasts, steaks, ribs and hearty dishes, including stews, which carry black hairs well.
Naturally chocolate color hairs will go well with most desserts, unless you serve a very light Jell-O type dessert, in which case go back to the silver buff. If you are especially interested in foreign foods, most varieties can be used in Mexican, Japanese and Chinese cooking. In fact, any nationality food will accept most dog hairs without hurting the flavor.
A good rule of thumb to remember which dog hairs go with which dish is--use them as you would a good wine--white wine and light hair with the delicate dishes, dark wine and dark hair with the more robust, heartier dishes. For a special touch to finish your meal with a flourish, add the long-forgotten finger bowls with a few hairs of assorted colors floating in them. Your guests will be astounded, and so appreciative of your unexpected elegance!

Food Discussion & Information / ITS ABOUT TIME!!
« on: May 01, 2007, 01:13:22 am »
Finally the FDA has taken action against Chinese imported grains  Please note it includes several different grain products, including soy, and is not just limited to the glutens.  50% of the imported gluten was found to contaminated and finally the FDA acknowledges 4000 deaths so far


TYPE OF ALERT: Detention Without Physical Examination (Countrywide)

(Note: This import alert represents the Agency's current guidance to FDA field
personnel regarding the manufacturer(s) and/or products(s) at issue.  It does
not create or confer any rights for or on any person, and does not operate to
bind FDA or the public).

PRODUCTS: Wheat Gluten
          Rice Gluten
          Rice Protein
          Rice Protein Concentrate
          Corn Gluten
          Corn Gluten Meal
          Corn By-Products
          Soy Protein
          Soy Gluten
          Proteins (includes amino acids and protein hydrosylates)
          Mung Bean Protein

PRODUCT   02G[][]08 - Soy Bean Meal/Powder/Gluten/Protein Isolate
CODES:    18E[][]03   Soy Protein Powder
          02F[][]08   Wheat Gluten
          02E[][]06 - Wheat Flour Gluten
            71M[][]01   Wheat Gluten

          02D[][]12   Rice Protein
          02D[][]13   Rice Gluten
          71I[][]03   Rice Protein

          71G[][]02 - Corn Gluten
          02B[][][][]   Milled Rice Products

          54[][][][][]- Amino acids and protein hydrosylates

PROBLEM:  Poisonous or Deleterious Substance
          Unfit For Food
          Unsafe Food Additive

PAF:          PES

COUNTRY:      China (CN)


CHARGES:   "The article is subject to refusal of admission pursuant to
            section 801(a)(3) in that it appears to bear or contain a
            poisonous or deleterious substance, which may render it
            injurious to health [Adulteration, section 402(a)(1)]"


           "The article is subject to refusal of admission pursuant to
            section 801(a)(3) in that it appears to bear or contain a
            food additive that is unsafe within the meaning of section
            409 [Adulteration, section 402(a)(2)(C)(i)]"


            "The article is subject to refusal of admission pursuant
            to section 801(a)(3) in that it appears to be unfit for
            food [Adulteration, 402(a)(3)]"

OFFICE:      Division of Import Operations and Policy, HFC-170

ALERT:    In recent weeks, there has been an outbreak of cat and dog deaths
          and illness associated with pet food manufactured with vegetable
          proteins contaminated with melamine and melamine related
          compounds.  In response to this outbreak, FDA has been conducting
          an aggressive and intensive investigation.  Pet food manufacturers
          and others have recalled dog and cat food and other suspect
          products and ingredients.  This has been one of the largest pet
          food recalls in history, a recall that continues to expand.  Thus
          far, 18 firms have recalled product, 17 Class I and 1 class II,
          covering over 5,300 product lines.  As of April 26, 2007, FDA had
          received over 17,000 consumer complaints relating to this
          outbreak, and those complaints included reports of approximately
          1950 deaths of cats and 2200 deaths of dogs.  The Agency is
          working with federal, state, and local governments, academia, and
          industry to assess the extent of the outbreak, better understand
          how melamine and melamine related compounds contributed to the pet
          deaths and illnesses, and to determine the underlying cause of the

          As of April 26, 2007, FDA had collected approximately 750 samples
          of wheat gluten and products made with wheat gluten and, of those
          tested thus far, 330 were positive for melamine and/or melamine
          related compounds.  FDA had also collected approximately 85
          samples of rice protein concentrate and products made with rice
          protein concentrate and, of those tested thus far, 27 were
          positive for melamine and/or melamine related compounds.  FDA's
          investigation has traced all of the positive samples as having
          been imported from China.

          Although FDA's investigation is ongoing, the Agency has learned
          the following about the outbreak and its association with
          contaminated vegetable proteins from China:

     1.   For the vegetable proteins and finished products that have been
          found to be contaminated, it is unknown who the actual
          manufacturers are, how many manufacturers there are, or where in
          China they may be located.

          The samples of vegetable proteins that have tested positive for
          the presence of melamine and melamine analogs have, thus far, been
          traced to two Chinese firms, Xuzhou Anying Biologic Technology
          Development Co. Ltd. and Binzhou Futian Biology Technology Co.
          Ltd.  Records relating to the importation of these products
          indicate that these two firms had manufactured the ingredients in
          question.  There is strong evidence, however, that these firms are
          not the actual manufacturers.  Moreover, despite many weeks of
          investigation, it is still unknown who the actual manufacturer or
          manufacturers of the contaminated products imported from China

          All of the contaminated wheat gluten has thus far been traced to
          Xuzhou Anying.  According to the General Administration of Quality
          Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ) of the Chinese
          government, Xuzhou Anying purchased its wheat gluten from 25
          different manufacturers and Xuzhou Anying may just be a supplier.
          Press statements by Xuzhou Anying state that it did not
          manufacturer the wheat gluten it had shipped to United States that
          has been associated with the outbreak, but that it received that
          wheat gluten from other sources not named in the press statements.

          Despite its investigation into the matter, FDA has been unable to
          determine who, in fact, the actual manufacturer(s) are.

     2.   The source of the contamination problem is currently unknown and
          FDA has been unable to isolate the scope of the problem.

          Melamine is a molecule that has a number of commercial and
          industrial uses.  Other than a few limited authorizations for use
          in food contact materials for human food, melamine has no approved
          use as an ingredient in human or animal food in the United States.
          FDA is continuing its investigation into how the melamine and
          melamine related compounds may have gotten into the vegetable
          protein, and has asked the Chinese government to help with this

          In addition, FDA does not know how widespread the problem in China
          might be.  For example, FDA does not know which regions of the
          country may or may not be impacted by the problem, which firms are
          the major manufacturers and exporters of vegetable proteins to the
          United States, where these vegetable proteins are grown in China,
          and what controls are currently in place to prevent against

          According to the Chinese government, Xuzhou Anying did not declare
          the contaminated wheat gluten it shipped to the United States as a
          raw material for feed or food.  Rather, according to the Chinese
          government, it was declared to them as non-food product, meaning
          that it was not subject to mandatory inspection by the Chinese
          government.  In addition, in a communication to the U.S.
          government, the Chinese government has requested that FDA either
          request or require that U.S. importers of plant protein products
          insist on AQSIQ certification, based on AQSIQ testing, as part of
          the import contract.  According to a media report, China's Foreign
          Ministry issued a statement that the contaminated vegetable
          protein managed to get past Chinese customs without inspection
          because it had not been declared for use in pet food.  The news
          report said the contamination problem has prompted China to step
          up inspections of plant-based proteins and to list melamine as a
          banned substance for food exports and domestic sales.

          This information indicates that there are manufacturing control
          issues that cannot be linked to specific sources in China, but
          instead require country-wide monitoring.

     3.   On April 17, 2007, pet food manufacturers in South Africa recalled
          dry cat and dog food due to formulation with a contaminated corn
          gluten, a vegetable protein.  FDA has learned that the corn gluten
          was contaminated with melamine and that the corn gluten had been
          imported from a third-party supplier in China.  According to news
          reports, the contaminated pet food has been linked to the deaths
          of approximately 30 dogs in South Africa.

GUIDANCE: Districts may detain without physical examination, all Vegetable
          protein products from China.

          Appropriate screening criteria have been set.

          For questions or issues concerning science, science policy, sample
          collection, analysis, preparation, or analytical methodology,
          contact Mr. Thomas Savage, Division of Field Science, at 301-827-

          If a firm, shipper or importer believes that their product should
          not be subject to detention under this import alert they should
          forward information supporting their  position to FDA at the
          following address:

          Food and Drug Administration
          Division of Import Operations and Policy (HFC-170)
          5600 Fishers Lane, Room 12-36
          Rockville, MD 20587

          In order to adequately assess whether a manufacturer has the
          appropriate controls and processes in place to ensure the quality
          of the product being produced, the firm or shipper must provide
          the following information:
                    1.     Documentation showing that a minimum of five (5)
                    consecutive entries have been released by FDA based on
                    third party laboratory analyses using FDA recommended
                    methods and that all shipments did not contain the
                    presence of melamine and/or melamine analogs.


                    2.     Certificate, such as from AQSIQ, indicating that an
                    inspection of the manufacturer was conducted and
                    adequate controls are in place.  Information should
                    also include:

                      a. Copy of the inspectional reports and compliance
                      status of the manufacturer.

                      b. If products were sampled during the course of the
                      inspection, test results indicating that the
                      products are free of melamine and/or melamine

          All requests for removal (exemption) from DWPE will be forwarded
          by DIOP to CVM (HFV-230) or CFSAN (HFS-606) for
          evaluation depending on the intended final use in animal
            or human food.


FOI:          No purging required

KEYWORDS:     Feed, pet food, human food, melamine, gluten, protein,
              concentrate, rice, wheat, corn, soy, mung bean

PREPARED BY:  Cathie Marshall, CVM, HFV-232, 240-276-9217
              Salvatore Evola, CFSAN, HFS-606- 302-436-2164
              Linda Wisniowski, DIOP, HFC-172, 301-443-6553

INTO FIARS:   April 27, 2007

Firms and products exempt from detention without physical examination

       (Currently there are no firms listed in the attachment)

General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / Dog Food Recalls
« on: April 28, 2007, 05:23:18 am »


by Robert Jay Russell, Ph.D., Coton de Tulear Club of
America President
CotonNews@aol. com
www.CotonClub. com

April 27th, 2007. Since March 16th, I have written more
than 150 pages of information about the mass poisonings of
pet foods on the CTCA's CotonClub e-ZINE. I have been
fairly good at predicting where this crisis would go, and
what potential pet foods would be declared deadly. But
tonight, the U.S. government and the pet food industry
achieved a new low that even I did not see coming. Namely,
the ingredient labels on the cans and packages of pet food
may be total fictions. Further, the advertisement and web
site declarations of the pet food companies may be utter

For example, Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul declared
on its web site, its packaging and its brochures that its
products contained absolutely no wheat gluten, corn gluten,
rice gluten or rice protein concentrate. This was and is a

Natural Balance pet foods similarly advertised and
published on its packages that its products were absolutely
free of glutens and protein concentrate additives. That,
too, was and is a lie.

The "voluntary" list of pet food companies that claim all
"safe" ingredients but that have substituted cheap Chinese
protein glutens is likely growing by the minute. There is
some question, of course, whether or not the individual pet
food companies that relied upon the very few actual
producers and canners left in America really knew that the
canners and packagers had been substituting cheap,
poisonous Chinese crap for their much touted "healthy" pet
foods. But who knew what and when is irrelevant to the dead
and dying pets and their grieving owners out there in the
real world.

Tonight, there is not a single ingredient label on any
processed food -- pet or human -- that should be trusted by
any sensible consumer. Indeed, the FDA actually allows food
packagers six months to change their ingredient labels once
they change ingredients on their unsuspecting consumers. I
wonder just how many people with Celiac Disease have died
terrible deaths when their supposedly gluten free packaged
food had its ingredients switched for cheap, imported
glutens? We are beginning to see how many pets may soon be
dying of kidney failure because of bogus ingredient labels,
and that toll may be unimaginable in the end.

Remember: even an "honest," health conscious, pet-loving,
pet food company owner may have no idea what the canner
he/she uses is actually putting into the food he/she
markets and sells. Remember: this administration' s FDA is
not working on behalf of your family's safety.

When you censor, then fire scientists from government
protective agencies (e.g., NOAA, EPA, USDA, FDA), when you
place corporate lobbyists in positions of agency power,
when you cut funds such that inspections are no longer
possible, when you trash manufacturing and import rules and
product regulations. .. you are left with snake oil
salesmen to supply America with food and drugs and only
rumor mills and blogs to protect citizens from them.

Late breaking news: there is an unconfirmed internet rumor,
probably far more reliable than anything a company web site
or the FDA is telling you, that some pet stores are quietly
pulling every Natural Balance pet food product off their
shelves. No explanation given.

Great Pyrenees Pictures / What Pyrs Do Best
« on: March 26, 2007, 11:23:26 pm »
BFF_ Best Friends Forever!

Anything Non-Dog Related / History is not boring!
« on: August 13, 2006, 11:52:49 pm »
History really isn't boring


The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be. Here are some facts about the 1500's:

These are interesting... Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence today's custom of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entranceway. Hence the saying a "thresh hold."

(Getting quite an education, aren't you?)

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold over night and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."


Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off It was a sign of wealth that a man could "bring home the bacon. " They would cut off a little to share with guests and w ould all sit around and "chew the fat." Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or "upper crust."

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake."

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a "bone-house" and re use the grave. When reopen ing these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the "graveyard shift") to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be "saved by the bell" or was considered a "dead ringer."

And that's the truth... Now, whoever said that History was boring
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Great Pyrenees Discussions / can anyone help?
« on: June 02, 2006, 05:33:06 am »
From:   "Andrea" <>

Subject:   [great_pyrenees] Avalanche is still in need of a home.
Date:   Thu 06/01/06 10:56 AM
 I posted earlier with no luck.  Avalanche is a 7 1/2 year old Great
Pyr.  It has gotten so bad with our neighbors that I am afraid they are
trying to poison her.  (yes, I have called the police and only if I can
actually catch them throwing the meat into our yard can the police help
us).  I live in Northern colorado and would be more than happy to drive
her to a good home in nearby states.  Please let me know if you know of
anyone that can help!  The Great Pyr rescue seems to only be interested
if she is registered.  She is purebred and I have the papers that came
with her when she was a puppy laying around somewhere, but I never
wanted to show or breed her so never got her registered.  Thanks.


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