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Great Pyrenees Discussions / Tanimara Great Pyrenees
« on: November 12, 2006, 01:06:21 am »
Jackie Wood here.  I wanted you all to know that I am leaving you.  I will monitor the list as my time allows but I cant keep up with all my other duties to other lists as moderator.

So I wont be receiving any more emails automatically.  That does not mean Im not available.  If any of you need information on guardians please feel free to contact me offlist,and I'll do my best to find an answer for you.

Jackie Wood

Monthly Photo Contests / Re: VOTE HERE for the Halloween Contest!
« on: October 23, 2006, 01:54:18 pm »
I think Ya'll have entirely too much time on your hands!!!!!!!...LOL

PS, I love Halloween!  It brings out the nuts now doesn't it?...LOL

Great Pyrenees Pictures / Re: New Puppy pictures
« on: October 15, 2006, 12:45:12 pm »
They are growing like weeds too.  I swear they have grown 2" in height and put on about 4 lbs each!  We have our first handling class next Wednesday, cant wait!... Jackie

Behavior, Housebreaking, Obedience / Re: NILIF is really working!!!
« on: October 11, 2006, 06:18:56 am »
Isnt it just amazing when you try something with these dogs and it works!  Im so happy to hear this.

Jackie Wood

Prayers on the wind for your uncle and for Molly.  I heard this same story just last night about a Husky loose here in Willow that attacked a Jack Russell and killed it.  Im having de-ja-vu here.


Great Dane Discussions / Re: Arrrgghhhh!! Stressed out! Help!
« on: October 09, 2006, 06:11:36 am »
You made my day!  Im so glad it's starting to work already!  Some folks you can send info and suggestions all day and noting comes of it because they dont apply it consistantly.  That's the key.  Keep us posted on your progress please..... Jackie

Great Dane Discussions / Re: Arrrgghhhh!! Stressed out! Help!
« on: October 08, 2006, 06:57:31 am »
Hope this helps.. Jackie

Nothing in Life is Free Training Method
Dog Behavior and Training
Does your dog: Get on the furniture and refuse to get off? Nudge your hand, insisting on being petted or played with? Refuse to come when called? Defend its food bowl or toys from you? "Nothing in life is free" can help. "Nothing in life is free" is not a magic pill that will solve a specific behavior problem; rather it's a way of living with your dog that will help it behave better because it trusts and accepts you as its leader and is confident knowing its place in your family.
How to practice "nothing in life is free:"
Using positive reinforcement methods, teach your dog a few commands and/or tricks. "Sit," "Down" and "Stay" are useful commands and "Shake," "Speak" and "Rollover" are fun tricks to teach your dog.
Once your dog knows a few commands, you can begin to practice "nothing in life is free." Before you give your dog anything (food, a treat, a walk, a pat on the head) it must first perform one of the commands it has learned. For example:
Put your dog's leash on to go for a walk
Must sit until you've put the leash on
Feed your dog
Must lie down and stay until you've put the bowl down
Play a game of fetch after work
Must sit and shake hands each time you throw the toy
Rub your dog's belly while watching TV
Must lie down and rollover before being petted
Once you've given the command, don't give your dog what it wants until it does what you want. If it refuses to perform the command, walk away, come back a few minutes later and start again. If your dog refuses to obey the command, be patient and remember that eventually it will have to obey your command in order to get what it wants.
Make sure your dog knows the command well and understands what you want before you begin practicing "nothing in life is free."
The benefits of this technique:
Most dogs assume a neutral or submissive role toward people, but some dogs will challenge their owners for dominance. Requiring a dominant dog to work for everything it wants is a safe and non-confrontational way to establish control.
Dogs who may never display aggressive behavior such as growling, snarling,or snapping, may still manage to manipulate you. These dogs may display affectionate, though "pushy" behavior, such as nudging your hand to be petted or "worming" its way on to the furniture in order to be close to you. This technique gently reminds the "pushy" dog that it must abide by your rules.
Obeying commands helps build a fearful dog's confidence; having a strong leader and knowing its place in the hierarchy helps to make the submissive dog feel more secure.
Why this technique works:
Animals that live in groups, like dogs, establish a social structure within the group called a dominance hierarchy. This dominance hierarchy serves to maintain order, reduce conflict and promote cooperation among pack members. In order for your home to be a safe and happy place for pets and people, it's best that the humans in the household assume the highest positions in the dominance hierarchy. Practicing "nothing in life is free" effectively and gently communicates to your dog that its position in the hierarchy is subordinate to yours. From your dog's point of view, children also have a place in this hierarchy. Because children are small and can get down on the dog's level to play, dogs often consider them to be playmates, rather than superiors. With the supervision of an adult, it's a good idea to encourage children in the household (aged eight and over) to also practice "nothing in life is free" with your dog.
Copyright Denver Dumb Friends League and Humane Society of the United States. All rights reserved. Used with permission.

General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / Re: Questions about LGD's
« on: October 05, 2006, 07:15:09 am »
1) No both do great jobs.  They have a tendancy to be very individual in personality.  But that does not depend on male or female.  The main difference I've seen is in the males being better at teaching the pups.  That may just be a social thing within the breed.

2) Pairs are best - Keep in mind that if you are exposed to the most common predator, the coyote, you really need a pair.  Coyotes will split the pack into two, half the pack leading the guardians off on a chase while the other half goes in after the guardian leaves and attacks the seep/goats etc.  So with two, they will communicate with each other and one will go after the half that is running away and the other will stay and protect the sheep/goats etc. I've seen them do this.  A cougar got into the fenced pasture afte some sheep.  The two juveniles split off from the adults and herded the sheep into a corner while the adults went after the cougar.

3.  I raise Pyrs and use them as guardians.  I decided to go with the Pyr because they are the most human friendly of the group and I dont have to worry about someone wandering into the pasture and getting bitten.  Their unbelievable intelligence and personalities.  None of the guardian breeds are as trustworthy with humans as the Pyr.  Per USDA comparison study.

4.  No it is not a problem introducing new livestock.  Just remember, your LGD will interact with new stock well on it's own once it becomes mature.  But new stock may not be used to guardian dogs.  So just introuduce them under supervison either onlead or with a common fence line until the new stock figures out your guardian will do just that, guard and not injur.

5.  Speaking from my experience and that is with Pyrs.  They require some training and I can help you with that.  Like all dogs, chickens are a pray animal and all dogs, including guardians, are as individual with that as with all other aspects of thier lives.  There are some steps you can take to keep that from happening.

Any problems you will have will be from getting a guardian with no or little guarding instinct so they should be evaluated for guardian traits before getting one, by the breeder you are buying from.  Behavioral problems will be seen most during the juvenile phase, kinda like our  If you have an experienced guardian, he/she will teach the younger ones how to guard.  The first guardian you get, you have to be the teacher.

Jackie Wood
Tanimara Great Pyrenees

I think a saddle would be great!  When kids come to the farm to look at the dogs I tell them first off.  We have two rules here that you must follow.  They will say what's that?  You can not go through a gate without an adult with you.  And you cant ride the dogs.  When that comes out they just get this sunken look on thier faces and say WHY!!!!!!!!!?

Too many times on these lists we tend to be too critical.  It's good to laugh about common things with our dogs for a change.

So if it takes poop watching to trigger a good laugh, Im all for it.


Oh noooo!!!!!!  Here we go again!  Last year Chelle dressed my Pippin up as a sheep!  I dont even want to look this year...LOL


Im sitting here in stitches!  I think perhaps this sounds like group therapy....LOL

Im not laughing at sick puppies.  Im laughing at


Well I guess that means me...LOL

Here is a link...

It is a very indepth article on livestock guardians in general.  It's a research article by Robin Riggs.  I dont agree with all she says but most of it is right on.  The main thing to remember is that she imburses the old theory that LGDs should not be socialized.  She's wrong!

When I first got into Pyrs the theory backed by the powers that be was that you took an 8 week old pup, put them in with whatever they were going to guard and leave them there.  They were not to be petted or socialized because (as the theory went) they would not bond with the animals they were to protect and would roam.

It did not take me long to figure out that it was a stupid theory.  This is one of my soap boxes when it comes to Pyrs.  But since I was just one of the "little guys" in the business I did not think I could really question the "experts".  After seeing some pups ruined by a lack of socialization, then trying it my way (that is to definitely socialize your LGDs) and seeing it work, then I did not hesitate to question the "autorities" and ticked half of them off.  But when you are 60 years old, it doesn't rally matter that much...LOL

Now many of the livestock guardians folks agree with me.  Some dont.  But the nice thing is, the theory is changing.  This article was written in 2001 and it looks at Livestock guardians mostly in Europe.  It's a good article for you to read.

What are you going to run your guardians with?

And the other breed you were trying to think of was probably a Marrema.

Here is a list of the most common LGDs.

Afganistan Sage Koochi
Anatolian Shepherd
Barachesto (Bulgaria)
Caucasian Mountain Dog (Russia)
Croatian Guard Dog (Croatia)
Great Pyrenees (France)
Briard (Alpine Shephard Dog)
Greek Shephard Dog (Greece)
Komondor (Hungarian)
Sage Mazandarani (Iran)
Maremma (Italy)
Bergamo Shephard Dog
Kirgizian Shephard Dog
Mongolian Buryato (Mongolia)
Morrocan Aidi (Morroco)
Himalayin Mastiff (Nepal and Northern India)
Tatra Mountain Dog (Poland)
Portugal Cao de Castro Laborerio (Portugese)
Estrela Mountain Dog - Cao da Serra da Estrela
Romanian Sheep Dog (Romania)
Mioritic Shephard Dog
Spanish Pyrnean Mastiff (not to be confused with the Great Pyrenees)
Spanish Mastiff
Greater Swiss Mountain Dog
Bernese Mt. Dog
St. Bernard?
Tibetian Mastiff
Akbash (Turkey)

Jackie Wood
Tanimara Great Pyrenes

Great Pyrenees Pictures / New Puppy pictures
« on: October 04, 2006, 09:59:01 am »
I just had to post some pictures of my new babies!

Top three pictures are of Promise (the girl)
Next three are of Beren (the boy)
Taken this am.

We finally named them.

He will be Beren which means, Man of the West, Progenitor of Numenarian Kings, Valiant, and Daring.
Beren's Hope of Tanimara

She will be Promise - Luthien's Promise of Patorama -
Luthien was an Elven Princess that gave up her immortality to marry Beren, a mortal. It means Lady of Enchanting Beauty; Elven Princess; Charming.

The name Promise has a story behind it too.  I was driving down the highway trying to think of names and thinking about the new beginning here at Tanimara.  It had been raining and all of a sudden the clouds parted and the biggest brightest rainbow I've ever seen broke through the clouds.  A Promise of a new beginning.


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