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Wow.  Great thread.  We had some problems with the boys and we only have two.

For a short period of time they were vying for different positions.  Finally we had enough of it and let them know "HEY.  WE'RE THE ALPHA"
It was rough for awhile though. 

I feel for you.  We only have to and settled it of course, but, man, I just really feel for you.

Would you mind keeping this updated on how you work with this and how it works out?

Luv

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General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / Re: Messed up story
« on: August 27, 2005, 05:54:31 am »
Just as much as I understand and accept the way some live and subsist, or those who hunt, or so one, I also understand and accept those who do not agree.

With some issues we, my husband and I, are torn.  We do not agree.  But we have learned to accept this!  If he goes to the opposite, I still love him dearly and respect he must support what he believes, and vice versa.

This is how a balance is kept!  What is nice is when it can be talked about without to much passion.

Newf Lover, I want you to know I could never rightly say you are wrong.  You have the right to believe what you believe.  In this case you are right.

Sometimes a different perspective is good to look at whether accepted or not.  I hope I have not offended any of you at all.  None of us are wrong and that is actually the wonderful complexities of issues.

Now, back to the event at hand, what can we do to assist stopping the atrocity of puppy bating from happening?  Is there an organization, a group we can contact?

Luv

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General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / Re: Messed up story
« on: August 26, 2005, 04:02:36 pm »
 ;D
Always willing to discuss that which is near and dear to my heart! 
I think it's wonderful we're all so passionate enough to take action yet listen at the same time.  Very important.

Long and boring sorry folks.  Hopefully it'll be a little interesting.

Kenai by the way, is absolutely stunning.  I have a friend who works in Dry Bay and is a fishing/hunting place.  Her boyfriend has been doing this in Dry Bay for over 20 some odd years. 

Yes, things are going sour we agree on this.  Especially some idiot using puppies and kittens for bate.  I do draw the line on that.  Bate is just fine.  Good Lord made me sick when I read that.  Also, situation in Africa is different because they are poaching.  Different situations.  So don't compare that to this.  Thousands, even hundreds of seals are not being slaughtered through subsistence.  We're talking on total a year for food maybe 20 in a large area.  Far less than what you are thinking.  In this area maybe 5 seals are taken.  It's all shared for the most part so no one is over hunting.  No whaling here. 

Okay, think through this perspective for a moment.  The villagers up north have been living there ever so long.  It is their home.  Realistically, is it reasonable to say, "Hey, move so your life is easier because I don't like how you live?"  When, they know far more about what they are doing than we do.  If they see a shortage of a food staple, they find something else.  NEVER NEVER NEVER do the Natives up North overharvest.  It's like a taboo to do so.  In fact charter fishing and hunting as guides are seen as an exploitation by many up here.

Also, Inuit is mainly Canadian, so, they are probably able to harvest marine mammals differently than the Alaskan Natives: Yupik, Inupiat, Aleut, Alutiqq and others.  IN fact, in Canada, they may have a commercial outlet, I'm not sure.

Howevever, up North in Alaska, US, an act called The Marine Mammal Protection Act is in place.  No marine mammals or their parts can be sold by anyone, imported or exported, and a native can sell but first it must be altered, meaning in art form (such as mucluc, slippers, parka, ivory carving etc, and the meat can only be taken by natives for subsistence use.  Now, this does not mean any Native can run out and shoot a seal, whale, walrus etc.  NO NO NO.  You still have to get a permit.  To export, ha, you are looking at an incredibly expensive permit, with a major major tax.  Its not easy.  The villages up north have been doing this for generations always have and always will, so they have proven their need, but most do not abuse it for commercialism.  Couldn't if they wanted to.  Seals are NOT hunted for the pelt anymore.  That was way back when in a different area.  Here, the meat is used more than the pelt.

To take any marine mammal arts across the border to sell elsewhere even through to go to seattle, a special permit that is very spendy must be obtained.  So not many do it.
 
Northern peoples know how to live up there and even genetically their bodies have adapted to the environment.  They are settled in.  Now, some villages are a tad larger these days but not much.  Meaning schools.  Schools meaning a store and post office.  However, a gallon of milk flown in, when the planes can fly in winter (mind you it is pitch black up there for 6 or more months of the year and very very cold), which is not very often due to the harness of the environment, can cost up to 10 bucks a gallon.  YIKES.  Could we afford to live like this?  NO.  Forget about meats, fruits, or vegetables, a certain time of year, it ain't getting through.  Out of the question.  However, they live by seasons and know what to pick and when what to store and how, and how to prepare for each winter.  They also know what they can find during the winter if they are running low.  A whale, one mind you, rarely two, sometimes not even one, can feed an entire village or other families in other areas and all is used.  The fats in the whale give the body energy needed to stay healthy during the winter.  It is no easy feat getting these whales.  They pretty much do this traditionally and only the men actually go out whale hunting.  It is fortunate to actually bring in one.

Asking them to move somewhere else where life is "easier" and so they can't hunt or fish or subsist anymore, well...
Who is going to provide the jobs they will need to pay for rent, cloth their children, buy their fuel, buy their food?  Who will provide college and training so people are not stuck with dishwashing or delivery jobs. Its not as easy as some believe.  You can't just pick up and move to a new place.  People up North are not rich like some folks believe.  That is a false assumption.  Monies for most of the natives up here are tied into corporations.  Only small amounts are given to those who were born prior to a certain date.  A few are considered rich, yes, but even then, they are not rich as individuals.  How much do you think they see from the corporations?  It's very political, so we aren't going to go there!!   ;D

But, asking them to move, it's not reasonable.   Are they complaining because they subsist and live in an almost unliveable environment?   And to be honest, Traditional Northern natives are well adapted, at home,  do not exploit food,  live in the harshest environment imaginable, accept their way of life, why then can we not accept them for who they are?  Traditional way of life is not harming anyone.
I will tell you though, that our society and our way of life has done 50 times more damage to that environment and group of peoples and the way of life than you could imagine. 

For freezers!  Yes, their entire land is a freezer for heavens sake! :D
THis is why they do seasonal subsistence and why one whale can feed an entire village for 6 months or longer.  It freezes as they are cutting it up!  So they know well how to store their food supply.  Don't think of it as they go out every month or week to go whale hunting.  The way they hunt whale, OH MY LORD.  NO way would anyone do this on a regular basis.  They do it in...Kayaks :o.  That's right, Kayaks.  They are very very skilled and know exactly what they are doing.   And whales don't just float around up there all the time.  Their migration is also seasonal.  You have one chance in a year sometimes longer and that is it.

This is what seperates subsistence from commercial.  So those who subsist to live are just trying to live.  Should they be deprived from their nutrition?  I mean why do people go on hunting guides?  To hunt.  Do they need to?
These people have more of a need than those of us living near stores.  To be honest, my husband who is native, we also do a little bit of subsistence.  I come from a farm, we too did the same only a lot of our food was grown.  It was our way of life, and yes, we were poor so the food we grew was imperative to our well being during winter.  The off season.  We didn't have money to go to the stores.  So it's all good.  Just different. 

Economics up here is killer.  Even here where I live, we pay double what you pay due to shipping.  We're more expensive than Kenai.  We're on an island here.  So economics also has a large role in subsistence.  If we can smoke, jar, or freeze fish for winter, that will save us a great deal of money to be spent on electric or diesil, or other bills such as things you cannot subsist for like boots, shoes, and the such.  Move?  Really, and where are we going to work, where are we going to live?

See how it fits all together?

Luv

Don't think for a minute though that I excuse any of the appalling actions of the trawlers, draggers, commerical whalers, slaughters, and flat out abuse.  Uncalled for abuse.  That too we fight against.  But we do seperate it out, because those who are just living, should not pay for those who are abusing.


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Newfoundland Pictures / Re: Not the Bath Tub!!!
« on: August 26, 2005, 04:21:37 am »
Too funny!!  Love the photo!!

Luv

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Newfoundland Discussions / Re: Need help...my Newf smells awful!
« on: August 26, 2005, 04:16:09 am »
I know this sounds silly.  Especially since I'm not experienced in this area, but when we washed our fellows too much, it striped the oil and they smelled.  Could it be bathing everyday?

What we do now is blow the coat out with a high velocity dryer  twice a week in between our actual bathing.   They smelled much nicer afterwards too. 

When I feel it's necessary, we use a sprinkle I make that is aromatherapy and made with arrowroot powder, powdered herbs, and soda.  I just shake it into the coat, and massage (you know how the newfie skin just rolls back and forth?), and get it all over as best as possible, then leave it for about 15 minutes, and blow it out with the dryer!  Works wonders and they like it too.  I use this once in awhile, probably only once a month.  It probably isn't really necessary, but we have found it also helps repel other things they may react to like dust mites, other mite things we cant see, and so on.

Luv

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Newfoundland Discussions / Re: just wondering about stained tongues
« on: August 26, 2005, 04:02:58 am »
Oh goodness!  My first reaction when I saw this thread is I thought maybe the pup had gotten an ink pen!!

Brycie has aareas of black on the roof, and I think he still has a black spot on the tongue.  Not a big one.

Interesting to know though.  I hadn't heard about this!!

Robin

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Remembering those no longer with us. / Re: Farewell, Emmett Kelly
« on: August 26, 2005, 03:54:52 am »
Oh SAR, I am so so sorry.  Please know our heart goes out to you. 
Cross safely and well dear Emmett. 
May your journey be gentle.

Luv.

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Mixed Breed Discussion / Re: Guarding?
« on: August 26, 2005, 03:37:53 am »
I say you have a smart dog!!  Protect the items that make food and ta heck with the tents!
 ;D ;D

Luv

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Great Dane Pictures / Re: Attack of the little dog
« on: August 26, 2005, 03:27:10 am »
  ;D ;D

Too funny!!  When we were in obedience class, a tiny little terrior just totally fell in love with Bryce.  Or so we'd like to believe that.  That terrior would grab onto Bryce's scruff the mane on his neck, and literally just hang there.  Bryce would go through his obedience even with that little girl hanging off his mane.  It didn't hurt Bryce and tiny little teeth of a 4 month old terrior would never sink through Bryce's mane.  NO WAY.  It wasn't all the time.  Never understood it though.  No growling, no barking, just the little girl would run up first thing, grab bryce's mane, and hang there.  Bryce would lift his head and assume the position.
Weird.
The only reason we allowed it to some degree was it taught Bryce patience, and taught the little one not to fear big dogs.  I just hope the owners taught her not to grab strange big dogs by the neck.

Luv

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General Board for Big Dogs with Big Paws / Re: Messed up story
« on: August 26, 2005, 03:02:27 am »
That is probably one of the sickest things I have come across lately.
It's terrible.

I'm going to go a little into this because I feel it's important to know--not trying to offend anyone--
But please dont place all of our commercial fishermen in the same category.  Our life depends on fish up here.  Our comercial fishermen are trollers, long liners, crabbers and shrimpers.  They do NOT damage the earth.  They are limited with what they take and how they fish it.  They are also very seperate from the trawlers and the draggers.  Now those two, trawlers and draggers are the ones damaging the ocean in a major way.  They pretty much dredge the bottom of the ocean and pull of nets and nets, thousand upon thousands of pounds of sea life and sort out what they can and cannot use.  That which they cannot use which in most cases is over half, they throw back into the water.  It is already dead.  And the area that was dredged...it will take many many years to replenish the life that was once there.

I know many don't agree with whaling, but up North it is imperative as is seal hunting.  It isn't a commercial industry.  It is a livelyhood.  The villages up north are snowed and frozen over and do not have grocery stores like many other places.  One whale can feed an entire village and every part of that whale is used.  And culturally, they do have respect and they do limit themselves.  Same with seals and other marine mammals.  Some of us eat beef, chicken, pork and such.  Some of us eat just vegetables, and some of us eat what is available.  Up there, it is a whale and seal.

It is abused in some areas of the world.  Most agreed.  Even the natives far up north can see the bones of abuse wash ashore from whaling in international waters and it is heart breaking for them. 

So please, don't place people who do abuse in the same category as those who don't.

No fisherman that I know of would ever think of doing such a cruel and horrid thing.  If it is a problem over there, it needs to be stopped.  That is just appalling.

Luv.

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Newfoundland Pictures / Re: Funny Newf Pics
« on: August 26, 2005, 02:43:29 am »
Their huge size can fool us and when we see something like these pictures...WOW ZERS.  Makes us realize how incredibly agile these giants can be!!

Gorgeous pictures!!!

Luv

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Medical Conditions & Diseases / Re: Warning!!! Please Read!!!
« on: August 26, 2005, 02:40:41 am »
Oh so tragic.  I'm so sorry.

Luv

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Introduce Yourself to the Forum / Re: Hi everyone...I'm new here
« on: August 24, 2005, 10:16:36 am »
Welcome!!!

Nice photo!!

Luv

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Newfoundland Discussions / Re: New(f) family member
« on: August 24, 2005, 10:13:50 am »
Sigh...

What an absolutely adorable newfie looking newfie puppy!!!

Luv.

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Newfoundland Discussions / Re: 8 Weeks old~!
« on: August 24, 2005, 10:11:40 am »
Adorable as always!!

Luv

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