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Offline Kermit

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temperamant testing?
« on: August 30, 2006, 05:18:12 am »
Hey, does anyone know much about temp testing? Is there a "standard test" that is recognized, like an official method for this? Do you have to be certified in order to be able to do temp testing, or can you just learn it and then do it?
There is a place in town here that charges like $20 to do a temperamant test if you bring a dog to them. I'm not really sure what it involves, or whether you get to watch, or who does the test. It's something I would like to learn how to do.
Also I wonder if a dog could have a bad score, but then after some training could they score higher??

If anyone knows anything on the subject, please enlighten me!!! ;D
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Re: temperamant testing?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2006, 05:52:50 am »
I know that sue sternberg does temp.testing for shelter dogs. It involves rolling them on their back, opening umbrellas, and other daily and perhaps scary things. If the puppy acts aggressively towards anything, or negatively that is where you find what type of personality the dog has, whether it be a driver, submission, or others. I have a whole temp test at home i can copy and give to you if you would like to look at it. We use it to test the puppies to see if they will work out well for service dogs.  If not, then they are trained and found homes.  It is all about how the dog reacts to the different environmental stimulations.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2006, 05:56:00 am »
I know with the SPCA one of the main temp tests they do is food aggression. They get the dog eating and then stick a fake arm in the bowl, pet him, etc., to see if he'll attack the hand. One thing I've never liked about it, though, is they use either canned food or raw meat to do the food aggression test. They don't use regular dry food. I just always thought that giving a dog raw meat who has just come off the streets as a stray is just asking for trouble. On the streets, he probably had to fight for his food, so I always wished they'd give the dogs a little more time before they gave them the test.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2006, 06:01:11 am »
It is my understanding that there are several types of temperament tests and many opinions regarding their use and the results.  There is the American Temperament Testing Society which has a website   http://www.atts.org/  I have been waiting on information from them about sponsoring a test for over four months (seriously) since the closest test offered is five hours away in MA.  I will post information about our experience if Cirra ever gets a chance to have the test.

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2006, 06:02:54 am »
Hey Rebekah,
 I only know a little, but I'll share! At the humane society I volunteer at, the temp. test is multi-faceted. We looked at food aggression, prey drive, possible separation anxiety, fear resposes, etc.

 To do the food aggression, they did the stick/hand thing mentioned above. Prey drive was done with a remote controlled/battery operated kitty. Separation anxiety was scored based on what the dog did when left alone in a room. (Did he lay down? Pace? Scratch at the door? Whine? etc.) Fear responses were done via several methods. The dogs were walked around the shelter on a leash while the public was there. (a short leash) and the temp. tester observed their responses to kids running through and yelling, lots of people, etc.

 Anyway...now here are my personal feelings on temp. testing. I think that it is a very good BASELINE. However, like someone else said, many dogs (in shelters anyway) are strays and hungry. They're afraid, its a new situation full of new smells, etc. Even the best dogs might exhibit some icky behaviors in those conditions. So, I think that other things need to be looked at besides the result of the temp. test. Its just very hard to do with a short amount of time and with so many doggies.
 As far as taking your dog to a place to be tested, I guess a lot of those same issues could apply. I'd say the best environment might be in the dog's home? I don't know. Its hard to say, because then you might have territorial stuff...I don't know! hahha! Just my personal feelings!  ;D

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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2006, 06:03:04 am »
oh i am right there with you. They do take a dog who has been starved on the street or abused and give him canned food, although this is a behavior that is very hard to train out of them. And if there is one ounce of aggression according to Sue Sternburg, euthanasia is the best way to go. For the reason being that there are so many animals that need help and it is pointless to "waste" time on pets that are not adoptable.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2006, 06:10:00 am »
Description of the Temperament Test

The ATTS Temperament Test focuses on and measures different aspects of temperament such as stability, shyness, aggressiveness, and friendliness as well as the dog's instinct for protectiveness towards its handler and/or self-preservation in the face of a threat.

The test simulates a casual walk through a park or neighborhood where everyday life situations are encountered. During this walk, the dog experiences visual, auditory and tactile stimuli. Neutral, friendly and threatening situations are encountered, calling into play the dog's ability to distinguish between non-threatening situations and those calling for watchful and protective reactions.

Dogs must be at least 18 months old to enter this test. The test takes about eight to 12 minutes to complete. The dog is on a loose six-foot (6') lead. The handler is not allowed to talk to the dog, give commands, or give corrections.

Failure on any part of the test is recognized when a dog shows:

Unprovoked aggression
Panic without recovery
Strong avoidance
The ATTS Temperament Test consists of ten subtests divided into five subcategories:

Behavior Toward Strangers
Objective: To measure the dog's reaction to strangers in a non-threatening situation.

Subtest 1: Neutral stranger
A stranger to the dog approaches the handler, shakes hands with the handler and engages the handler in a brief conversation, ignoring the dog.
The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog's reaction to passive socialization and the dog's protective instinct.

Subtest 2: Friendly stranger
A stranger to the dog approaches happily and briskly, is very friendly to the dog and pets the dog.
The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog's active social skills.

Reaction to Auditory Stimuli
Objective: To measure the dog's reaction to auditory stimuli and the dog's investigative behavior.

Subtest 3: Hidden Noise
The handler/dog team approaches a hidden assistant who rattles a metal bucket filled with rocks and sets this bucket in the path of the team. The handler may encourage the dog to investigate the bucket only when asked to do so. The handler's focus must be on the bucket, not on the dog.
The purpose of this subtest is to test alertness and curiosity.

Subtest 4: Gunshots
The handler stops at a designated marker with his/her back towards a well hidden assistant. The assistant fires three shots using a .22 caliber starter pistol (SHOT-PAUSE-SHOT-SHOT).
The purpose of this subtest is to measure the dog's recovery response to a sudden noise.

Reaction to Visual Stimulus
Objective: To measure the dog's reaction to a sudden visual stimulus.

Subtest 5: Umbrella
The handler/dog team approaches an assistant sitting in a chair holding a closed umbrella parallel to the ground at a 90 degree angle to the approaching team. When the dog is five feet from the assistant, the umbrella is opened. The handler may encourage the dog to investigate the umbrella only when asked to do so. The handler's focus must be on the umbrella, not on the dog.

Tactile Stimuli
Objective: To measure the dog's reaction to unusual footing.

Subtest 6: Plastic Footing
Both the handler and the dog walk the entire length of a 15-foot by 6-foot clear plastic strip.

Subtest 7: Wire Footing
Only the dog will walk the entire length of a 12-foot by 3-foot unfolded exercise pen.

The purpose of these subtests is to measure the dog's sensitivity to unusual footing, its ability to recover from the fear of unusual footing and to measure its investigative behavior to the unusual footing.

Self Protective/Aggressive Behavior
Objective: These tests collectively evaluate the dog's capacity to recognize an unusual situation, its threshold to provocation, its protective instincts, and its propensity to realize when the situation becomes a threat.

Subtest 8: Non-Threatening
The handler/dog team stops at the designated marker. A weirdly-dressed stranger crosses the path 38 feet in front of the team.
The purpose of this subtest is to test the dog's alertness to an unusual situation.

Subtest 9: Threatening
The weird stranger advances 10 feet towards the stationary handler in a threatening manner.
The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog's ability to recognize when an unusual situation turns into a provocation.

Subtest 10: Aggression
The weird stranger advances to within 18 feet of the stationary handler in an aggressive manner.
The purpose of this subtest is to evaluate the dog's protective instincts.

The stranger is never closer than 10 feet from the dog. The handler's 2 foot arm and the 6' lead is added in for a total of 18 feet. Aggression here is checked against the breed standard and the dog's training. A schutzhund trained dog lunging at the stranger is allowed, but if an untrained Siberian husky does the same, it may fail.

At the conclusion of the test, the handler will receive a critique about the dog's performance. Certificate will be mailed within 90 days of the test.

This copyrighted test may not be used in whole or part without the express written consent of the American Temperament Test Society.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2006, 06:22:49 am »
Heh, both of my dogs would fail the umbrella test. Our neighbors behind us left an umbrella in their yard on a very windy day so it was blowing up against our fence and the dogs did NOT take very kindly to it!
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2006, 06:38:41 am »
Wow, thanks for all the information, you guys! :)

I agree about the food aggression test, seems like you are asking for it if you try to take canned food away from a dog who has been starved on the streets or something like that! Dang!

Honestly I bet each and every one of my dogs would "fail" a number of those tests. Put any dog in a weird situation and you never know. I was thinking one day that my dog Zoot (who I think is a very smart and well-behaved chap!) would do horribly if he were in a situation he didn't understand.

But I guess with those systemized tests it would give you a pretty good idea of a dog's nature. Hmmm. I'm not exactly sure how I feel about it though. Especially the part about euthanizing a dog who shows the slightest hint of aggression. That would mean a few of my dogs would have been euthanized. Very weird to think about. Thought-provoking for sure.

I'm going to have to delve further into this... it is my current fascination! :D

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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2006, 09:53:01 am »
It seems like a lot of those things on that test are similar to the Therapy Dog International test.  Do you think that's where it came from??  Walking on the wire grate would bug both my Newfs.  TOUGH test!!!

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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2006, 10:33:35 am »
It would be tough for my dogs to react in a positive manner to some of those things with no clue from me. I am the pack leader and they have a tendency to look to me for guidance in how to handle an unfamilar situation.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2006, 01:50:20 pm »
Mine would fail the friendly stranger petting them test badly.  Malinois are supposed to be wary of strangers and aloof which means that strangers don't get to pet them right off the bat.  There would have to be some leeway for the different breeds and their temperaments.  My question is why is it okay if a schutzhund dog is lunging at the leash because he has registered the aggressive pose but an untrained dog that has made the same decision and is reacting the same way is penalized?  Wasn't the point to test the protectiveness of the dog? 

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