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Breed restrictions!!!!!
« on: March 22, 2005, 11:13:43 am »
My family and I are currently looking for an Apartment and I am getting extremely dissappointed with the bad rap that many of the bigger breed dogs are getting...

I am seeing a lot of "no German Shepherds, Pit Bulls, Dobermans, Great Danes, Cane Corsos, etc...."

What are your thoughts????

It makes me upset...althou gh I don't own any of these breeds right know...I have int the past and I may in the future...I do not believe that all of these dogs have been classified as High risk...insuran ce wise.


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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2005, 06:01:36 pm »
Hello,
   My first thought is this, if they will take a dog of that size and who isn't pure bred, then don't tell them that, just say it'a a mix, unless there a doggie expert how are they going to know the difference, right?  My second thought is this, on the other hand I can see them not taking the large breeds because they will make more noise on the floor and could possibly cause more damage to the inside.  I know it isn't right, but it's just the way it goes.  Here in Colorado they even charge you pet rent and a huge non-refundable deposit.  I wish they had to do that for children as well, because as well all know the little ones can cause some damage to a apartment/house as well. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2005, 08:34:20 pm »
Hello,
   My first thought is this, if they will take a dog of that size and who isn't pure bred, then don't tell them that, just say it'a a mix, unless there a doggie expert how are they going to know the difference, right?  My second thought is this, on the other hand I can see them not taking the large breeds because they will make more noise on the floor and could possibly cause more damage to the inside.  I know it isn't right, but it's just the way it goes.  Here in Colorado they even charge you pet rent and a huge non-refundable deposit.  I wish they had to do that for children as well, because as well all know the little ones can cause some damage to a apartment/house as well.  




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We have those rent fees and deposits as well....
My main problem is the fact that they have breed restrictions.. ..not just size restrictions.. ...the reasoning behind it is that they have classified "german shepherds, pit bulls, rotties, great danes, cane corsos, dobermans, and mastiffs" as viscious unreliable dogs that can't be insured....by homeownere or renters insurance....I believe that any dog even the small breeds or mixed breeds can be viscious if not raised properly or breed right....I have know a few of these small dogs that have sent some to the hospital with muliiple bite wounds....they can just sneak right up on you...so what gives the public the right to say "all of the aboved name breeds are known to be viscous"  but never any other?

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2005, 08:43:40 pm »
Hello,
    Okay, so if these are the restirctions that they are placing on people, why don't you challange there rules.  If every apartment that you are looking at has these same rules, then go to the source and veto it.  You can't be the only person who has issues with this, start a cause.  I would also suggest that you talk to your local animal control and ask them if there is any breed restrictions that they are aware in the state that you live in.  You might also get them to give some info on fighting this issue and also talking to the people who do the insurance also.

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2005, 08:50:30 pm »
Hello,
    Okay, so if these are the restirctions that they are placing on people, why don't you challange there rules.  If every apartment that you are looking at has these same rules, then go to the source and veto it.  You can't be the only person who has issues with this, start a cause.  I would also suggest that you talk to your local animal control and ask them if there is any breed restrictions that they are aware in the state that you live in.  You might also get them to give some info on fighting this issue and also talking to the people who do the insurance also.

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yes your right....I have already signed a petition on line for the pit bulls and pit mixes in New Jersey....they are trying to pass a law that all of these dogs are to wear a big orange tag labled vicious as well as a muzzle any time they are out of the house...the owners have to pay a vicious dog fee every year....even if the dog never did anything wrog...just because of it's breed....if this passes then they were planning on trying for other breeds....but so far nothing on the state level other than that....hopefu lly nothing will pass....

As far as the apartment restrictions.. ..it has to do with the insurance carriers who base their facts on % of attacks in the USA.
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2005, 08:56:39 pm »
I just thought you should know that there was an earlier post on here about the same issue on certain dogs, that came from peta.  I don't know how much you know about peta, but I'm not a big fan.  This group will try to pass this new law, but I don't think they will.  As an animal welfare officer, I don't think that peta has much bearing on creating new laws and them being enforced.  I hope this helps, but really contact your local animal control agency, we really aren't as bad as people make us out to be.

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2005, 09:02:25 pm »
I just thought you should know that there was an earlier post on here about the same issue on certain dogs, that came from peta.  I don't know how much you know about peta, but I'm not a big fan.  This group will try to pass this new law, but I don't think they will.  As an animal welfare officer, I don't think that peta has much bearing on creating news laws and them being enforced.  I hope this helps, but really contact your local animal control agency, we really aren't as bad as people make us out to be.

awo

Thank you for your advice....I don't think you guys are bad at all....as far as PETA...I know enough to know that I am not a fan.... :(

Anyway...I have got to go finish my laundry....

have a wonderful night/day which ever the case may be...

I enjoyed chatting with you. :D

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2005, 01:00:51 pm »
Here's my 2 cents: I am vehemently opposed to breed restrictions, but I can see where they are coming from. Down here in Louisiana we have a HUGE problem with dog fighting so breeds like the pit bull, rottweiler, etc. get a bad rap. What I suggest is that, instead of banning a whole breed (imagine if we did this with people! no one would stand for it), let the owner prove the dog is not a threat. Require renters, etc. with "questionable" breeds to produce obedience class certification or have passed the "Canine Good Citizen Test". Progressive insurance companies should recognize that these measures could help them gain and retain clients and cover their butts at the same time.  It would also help pet owners become more responsible and ensure fewer pets end up in high kill animal shelters.

There! see how easy that is to solve a problem like this if everyone would just listen to me???  Now, someone with more influence than I have needs to take this and run with it.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2005, 03:20:58 pm »
My family and I are currently looking for an Apartment and I am getting extremely dissappointed with the bad rap that many of the bigger breed dogs are getting...

I am seeing a lot of "no German Shepherds, Pit Bulls, Dobermans, Great Danes, Cane Corsos, etc...."

What are your thoughts????

It makes me upset...althou gh I don't own any of these breeds right know...I have int the past and I may in the future...I do not believe that all of these dogs have been classified as High risk...insuran ce wise.



we had a flood at our house, the inc. ajuster saw my last bullie, capone a finished champ next thing i know they droped us. he never growled at anyone. just a big beautiful guy.

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2005, 04:56:55 pm »
I will stick my neck out here
Being a BREEDER LOVER AND  EXHIBITOR of a large breed it concerns me as well
It is because of some  irresponsible peoble we are confronted with this
But I DO AGREE with certain control for breeders and owners
As per expample leave the breeding to  devoted peope with knowledge and
make sure they are controlled
People with pet dogs no matter what breed should be made to castrate or sterilize
And all this mixing dog breeds is wrong.
NO BACK YARD BREEDERS NO SALE OF PETS AT SOPS OR WHOLESALERS
people  with working dogs that kept as pets should be educated that those dogs are working dogs and should be kept busy
Remember having a pet is a  privalidge
(Sorry about miy misspelled words but Ii need a spell check when I post but cant find it on this programme
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005, 06:20:19 pm »
 Jjfritsche,
I love that idea!It is a lot of work for the dog owner, but it does help solve a lot of speculation as to how your dogs behaves/obeys in other people's opinions. Personally, you should have free reign to have the dog you want wherever you want IF you are a responsible owner.  IMO, some people should have to take a test before they can get a dog!
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 07:55:45 pm »
Ann said


People with pet dogs no matter what breed should be made to castrate or sterilize
And all this mixing dog breeds is wrong.
NO BACK YARD BREEDERS NO SALE OF PETS AT SOPS OR WHOLESALERS
people  with working dogs that kept as pets should be educated that those dogs are working dogs and should be kept busy
Remember having a pet is a  privalidge



Ann,

I agree that most dogs and cats should be spayed or neutered.  I am a vet tech, no one believes more fervently than I do that these new designer breeds are a bad idea.

My concern with your ideas is...how and who gets to decide if I breed or YOU breed???  Just because you have finished champions?  That doesn't cut it with MY breed, most folks with working border collies think that the conformance world is going to be the demise of the border collie as we know it.  They would say that conformation breeding is what should be made to stop. I just don't believe that there is any chance of developing a mechanism that can limit intact breeding animals in any practical manner that could be legally maintained.  (last time I checked, the US was still a free county) 

Who gets to decide?  I think working ability is more important.  My nieghbor might think that fitting the breed standard is more important. 

Our town, sadly, has breed restrictions on anything that remotely even LOOKS like a pit bull.  This of course includes all crosses, Am Staffs, it is pitiful, and we fought it hard.  It passed anyway, brought my bosses then 8 year old son to tears of frustration.  He just couldn't understand how so many people could be so WRONG.  Statute requires "pit bulls" to be muzzeled in town, no new pit bulls, all must be desexed, they have to be housed on concrete, heavy duty kennel with a top, registered with the city, and a $50,000 liability insurance policy.

We have seen a lot of very nice family pets lose their homes, even their lives to this ordinance.  While people still paint them all with one brush we will continue to see unfair attitudes and legislation.  Very sad, and in my opinion, very wrong.

and yet...I still think that someone who owns property should be able to decide if they don't wish to rent to people with pets at all, or to people with specific kinds of pets...once again, it comes down to personal rights.  They have a right to decide what kind of risks they are willing to take with their own property.

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2005, 08:46:53 pm »
I have a great idea for all who people who love and live with big dogs and HATE their cities regulations.  Move to Wonderful Colorado, we only have two cities that have pitt bull restrictions and we are in the top ten of pet loving cities with amazing off leash dog parks!

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2005, 09:49:29 pm »
Here's my 2 cents: I am vehemently opposed to breed restrictions, but I can see where they are coming from. Down here in Louisiana we have a HUGE problem with dog fighting so breeds like the pit bull, rottweiler, etc. get a bad rap. What I suggest is that, instead of banning a whole breed (imagine if we did this with people! no one would stand for it), let the owner prove the dog is not a threat. Require renters, etc. with "questionable" breeds to produce obedience class certification or have passed the "Canine Good Citizen Test". Progressive insurance companies should recognize that these measures could help them gain and retain clients and cover their butts at the same time.  It would also help pet owners become more responsible and ensure fewer pets end up in high kill animal shelters.

There! see how easy that is to solve a problem like this if everyone would just listen to me???  Now, someone with more influence than I have needs to take this and run with it.

I agree your statement (just because you breed champions and who is to decide)
But I can only speak for myself I healt  screen for H.D O.C.D and above all temperament before I  do a mating and use 3 generations either side as my guidelines.
As we are compeeled to do here in W.A
But I have spend many years working with animals working at zoos and my Job was at the Vet assisitant before I owned any animals
Basicly as you don't have big dogs at a flat in Amsterdam
I feel that if you want to become a breeder you should be educated and ristricted as to how and what you breed in the sense of health
Here we are not even allowed as registered breeders to sell whole sale and petshop and Never before a pup is 8 weeks is it to leave the Breeder
We are obliged to socialise our pups before they leave and we get punished if we do not stand by our breed or given the  proper help and education regarding the upbringing of a baby to it's new owner
I know it is not all in the bag but her in W.A we have made a start
And I am happy to say I was responsible for some of the laws that are now in place regarding the sale of a pup and the pups age for leaving the nest and for exporting the age of a pup it used to be to young
We are both kept in check by our Canine Association and the Department of
trade I have (as you may have as well seen a lot of uneducated people with dogs that they loose control of Big and small and  different breeds
If a person is educated what dog suited them best then it does not matter what breed it is
But the responsibilty starts with the breeders.
Ann


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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2005, 09:50:32 pm »
Here's my 2 cents: I am vehemently opposed to breed restrictions, but I can see where they are coming from. Down here in Louisiana we have a HUGE problem with dog fighting so breeds like the pit bull, rottweiler, etc. get a bad rap. What I suggest is that, instead of banning a whole breed (imagine if we did this with people! no one would stand for it), let the owner prove the dog is not a threat. Require renters, etc. with "questionable" breeds to produce obedience class certification or have passed the "Canine Good Citizen Test". Progressive insurance companies should recognize that these measures could help them gain and retain clients and cover their butts at the same time.  It would also help pet owners become more responsible and ensure fewer pets end up in high kill animal shelters.

There! see how easy that is to solve a problem like this if everyone would just listen to me???  Now, someone with more influence than I have needs to take this and run with it.

I agree your statement (just because you breed champions and who is to decide)
But I can only speak for myself I healt  screen for H.D O.C.D and above all temperament before I  do a mating and use 3 generations either side as my guidelines.
As we are compeeled to do here in W.A
But I have spend many years working with animals working at zoos and my Job was at the Vet assisitant before I owned any animals
Basicly as you don't have big dogs at a flat in Amsterdam
I feel that if you want to become a breeder you should be educated and ristricted as to how and what you breed in the sense of health
Here we are not even allowed as registered breeders to sell whole sale and petshop and Never before a pup is 8 weeks is it to leave the Breeder
We are obliged to socialise our pups before they leave and we get punished if we do not stand by our breed or given the  proper help and education regarding the upbringing of a baby to it's new owner
I know it is not all in the bag but her in W.A we have made a start
And I am happy to say I was responsible for some of the laws that are now in place regarding the sale of a pup and the pups age for leaving the nest and for exporting the age of a pup it used to be to young
We are both kept in check by our Canine Association and the Department of
trade I have (as you may have as well seen a lot of uneducated people with dogs that they loose control of Big and small and  different breeds
If a person is educated what dog suited them best then it does not matter what breed it is
But the responsibilty starts with the breeders.
Ann
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