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Dysplasia
« on: April 24, 2005, 01:28:27 am »
About a year and a half ago Bear began to limp in his elbows after playtime, long walks and sometimes after getting up from a long nap. We watched him carefully and noted when it happened on a calender. Well, after a few doctor visits and medicines, new, unclear x-rays showed hazily that he had slips in his joints. The vet told us that it was severe dysplasia and that we needed to prepare for him to get worse by the day. He said his quality of life would be changed and that we should neuter him right away because he would never be able breed. I was so horrified by the blatant disregard for my feelings at hearing this news. I ended up calling our breeder and balled my eyes out. She reassured me that finding things like that in the x-ray were normal at Bear's age and that as long as I had him on his joint meds he would be okay. I also talked to several of my Newfy friends and got the same advice. So, we relaxed and just watched him. As he has gotten older his bones have solidified and we rarely, if ever, have a sore limpy dog. We think we're going to take him in for real, OFA certified x-rays in September when he turns 3 so that we can find out for sure if our intact boy  had growing pains or if he really does have dyslpasia. 
So, I am wondering now how many of you have gone through a scenario like this? Does anyone else have a dog with dysplasia? If so, I'd love to know how you treat it other than with Remadyl.
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Re: Dysplasia
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2005, 02:12:38 am »
Knock on wood!! I have never had a dog with those problems, I have friends though with dogs with more or less severe hip or elbow problems. From the breeders I have bought my big dogs, I have always got the advice that, when it is time to do the final x-ray - go to a vet that is very very skilled in this, how to "arrange" the dog on the table, how to strech out the legs and if not absolutely necessary do NOT sedate, that can effect the readings. I have heard quite a few stories when people went to their regular vet to have it done and it came back as either fair or faulty. When they repeated the x-ray at a vet that was known for being a good hip/elbow x-rayer. They got the readings back with better result. So I truly think it is of utmost importance to go to a vet that is experienced in hips and elbows.

Good luck, and I hope he is okay, but giving him gluc. has I am sure helped, I dont know what dosage you are giving him, but if not too high, maybe you could even opt it a bit.

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2005, 06:21:30 am »
I'm so sorry to hear about Bear's condition.  I've never gone through that since I've normally had smaller dogs till now.  I hope neither of our girls experience this.

A good breeder will address the hip and elbow tests before the puppy leaves their nest and that is somewhat reassuring. 

I do know of a preventative treatment. 

The breeder who I got my Rott from gave me this bit of advise.  Feeding your dog 1000mg of Vitamin C after the age of 6 months and 500mg (or a half a pill) of Vitamin C with meals helps in preventing Hip Dysplasia.  I also mix their food with yogert (1 tablespoon under 6 months and 2 tablespoons over 6 months) which aids in digestion. Makes them have to out more often...but keeps them healthy!  And that is the important part.  :)

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2005, 09:18:58 am »
Hi Lins_Saving_Gr ace, vitamin C is good for a lot of things, even years and years ago when I had my Danes it was given to prevent the paws from spreading, both with mastiffs aswell as danes you want the tight feet. I give yougurt too, I have to admit not on a regular basis but it is good for their stomachs though, especially the ones with bellies that tend to get upset.

What you said about that a good breeder address the hip/elbow issue before they leave the nest. hmmmm not sure if I understand what you mean. I am with you that they should have all their health certificates, and at the very leaset you should have full certs for both parents and better yet. for grandparents and elbow and hip should be done on as many of their breedings as possible. But as for x-ray the puppy itself, I guess you could do it just for a first check when they are about a year old but really no reason, because it is not an accurate reading. On I believe all giants the hip and elbow x-rays can not be recorded until they are at least 24 months. Having good readings on the parents is extremely important and checking up on their breeding in the past how they are with their joints, but unfortunately that is no guaranti. Once in a blue moon you can get a bad hip or elbow even from the soundest line.

Another thing that can effect hips or elbows, is how they grow up. Do they grow too fast, are they constantly on slippery floors, are they playing very hard and maybe fall bad well with a little bit of bad luck that can make a difference when the day comes to x-ray, so me for one am really really keeping my fingers crossed and even with the best lines, I have a hard time breathing until I have the final reading in my hand.

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2005, 09:24:43 am »
I just meant that any reputable breeder should do the tests on hips and elbows and personality with the correct authoirty before the pup goes home with the new parents.   :)

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2005, 09:30:10 am »
Okay, now I am with you lol... I was not at all trying to be second guessing you, just that I have just a few weeks ago been in a lot of discussions about hips and elbows and how some people thing it is a guarante when the lines are good and a first check is done on the puppy. But it sounds like you have a very good breeder. and they are sooooo important. Do you have a good friendship relationship going on with them???

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Re: Dysplasia
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2005, 09:55:42 am »
With Bear I think it was all growth because he is just a big boy. He was 32 lbs. at 12 weeks. His lines are awesome and our breeder has all of her dogs OFA certified and has assured us that having the vet "find" signs of dysplasia is kinda normal for vets without much experience with big dogs especilly when the dog is growing at such a quick rate. BTW, our breeder is the best in the world and is always there when we need her even with her very hectic show schedule.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2005, 03:24:42 pm »
It sounds like you  have a real nice breeder, and with all dogs in the line tested, and Bear being done early and maybe when he was growing a lot. Well I'll keep my fingers crossed that when he gets in next time, everything will be okay. I ma sure it will.

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2005, 05:37:04 pm »
How awful and scary for you!  We did have a Newf that had severe dysplasia (actually no hip socket on one side!!!) and the orthopedic surgeon that took care of him (total hip replacement at a year) said the VERY most important thing was to keep him as thin as we could.  His dad was 165 pounds and we kept him at about 135-140 pounds.  He also took Cosequin DS which seemed to help.  I would think it might be a good idea to get him to a veterinary orthopedist just to get a baseline check on him so you know if things start to get bad.  I know that arthritis drugs can be hard on their liver!!

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2005, 10:10:51 am »
You may want to look into Metacam, an antinflamitory that we were just prescribed for Kiya. My breeder said it seems to be the new drug of choice. Then like all other drugs these days are probably worse than the disease.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2005, 12:20:59 pm »
Hi! I just found this site yesterday and the timing is perfect.  I really need some advice.  My 6 1/2 mo. old Newf/St Bernard/Lab pup was just diagnosed with severe hip dysplasia.  We had him neutered last week and asked them to take x-rays while he was under b/c he has periodically had a funny gait and his hips click when he walks and sits.  We have a consult scheduled next week with an orthepedic surgeon. We are prepared to do surgery, even though we don't have the $, if that's what Cooper needs to live a decent life.  But I'm confused because I've read a few accounts of a dog being diagnosed with HD and then hips appearing normal after a year or so.  But, I know it can go in the other direction as well and he could end up in pain and lame. It feels like such a gamble!  Can anyone tell me how they came to their decision whether it was surgery or alternative?
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2005, 12:36:19 pm »
Two months ago we had quite a scare ourselves. Hutch had been playing with our other dog and he fell on his front left leg and developed a limp. We took him to our vet and she immediatley thought elbow dysplasia. She wanted to do the x-rays ASAP, she was adament about putting him under. We decided that we wanted to do some research on the issue before we payed the $500 for the x-rays. So with tons of research and contacting several Saint breeders we were told that we should give it a little and see if he settles, again because it is hard to get a good reading before two years of age.

Today Hutch is doing just fine. We are prepared to get him X-rayed if he develops a problem, but have also been researching the local vets to see if we can find one that has better knowledge of our boys breed. But I think that if/when we get his X-rays taken we will travel to PEI to have them done. A three hour drive away, but worth the specialists that they have at the Veterinary college.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2005, 01:34:40 pm »
Please make sure you get him to a clinic that does LOTS and LOTS of this type of surgery..and one who is very conservative!  When we took Otis (who had NO hip socket on one side so that his femur would slip off and just be loose and severly dysplastic on the other) I had his xrays in hand.  The surgeon said that at that point he didn't care to see the xrays...he wanted to see the dog.  Many dogs do just fine who are severely dysplastic...a nd others suffer with a far milder form.  After he watched Otis move, he told us we could wait to do the surgery until he couldn't get up any more...but since he was so young (a year) and healthy we didn't want him to be in any more pain than necessary and so we did it immediately.  The surgery IS rough!  Don't let them tell you anything else!  Otis came home with a morphine patch after two nights in the hospital.  He whimpered or cried for three weeks!  BUT THEN!!!!  he was great!  He could run and play with the best of them!  The only time he' d have a problem was when he was running full out and then you could see his rear end sort of collapse...but he'd just do his best to keep going.  We took him hiking in the mountains in Idaho, LONG walks around here, up and down hills.  He was GRAND!  No more pain that we could tell!  it was expensive ($5000 five years ago) but Otis was SO worth it!

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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2005, 02:32:40 pm »
Thanks for the advice.  The surgeon we were referred to has a very good reputation.  Surgery alone will be around $5000 but that's the way I'm leaning.  I just don't want Cooper to be in pain and I've heard some dogs hide their pain (survival instinct) so I'm not sure I can take that chance. It seems like it must be serious if he is demonstrating symptoms at such a young age.  I guess I just really want someone to tell me this is something he'll grow out of...  I think I'm still in a bit of denial about it.
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2005, 03:52:23 pm »
My malamute started limping when she was about 6 mo old for no apparent reason.  I took her to my vet and was referred to a pet hospital to have a leg specialist look at her.  The original vet that looked at her felt that it might be dysplasia in her front legs.  This vet was actually someone filling in for my normal vet as he was on vacation.  She totally panicked me!  Anyway, they did xrays and he indicated that there was dysplasia in her front legs with the right one being worse.  Luckily, there were no bone fragments floating around so surgery was not needed.  He also mentioned that even tho it was possible that it might get worse as she ages since she is a big dog, it could also be that the pain was being caused by her growing too fast.  He was very thorough and did not in any way indicate that surgery would be necessary.  He recommended Glucose powder and gave me a prescription for Rimadyl.  Told me to keep an eye on her and not play too rough or go on long walks for a bit.  The Rimadyl was only for if she was limping.  My breeder indicated that Rimadyl is not always good for a dog as there can be complications.  My vet also suggested using Glucose capsules for humans as it is the same thing but cheaper.  On a good note, after several months she stopped limping and has been fine ever since.  This happened Jan 2002.  She sometimes limps but I think that is her own clumsiness that hurts her!  Hopefully, your baby is just having some growing pains and everything will right itself as she gets older.