ok everyone, i do have a photo of a black and tan, and, apparently with the two pics of this guy on the couch, his color pattersn are that of this gene, that pops up quite uncommonly, though it is not encouraged to specifically breed for this color, it doesnt make him any less a newf!
but breeders do need to be made aware it did come out, and they need to be careful when they breed with all the recessives we have in our color patterns!
if anyone wants to see the picture, i can upload it tomorrow.
thanx for your patience brett and krystal!
and thanx for putting up with me, i have not seen a pic of one in so long, i forgot that the brown travels far up the front legs, they also have some white on the chest.