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lil_princess724

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Seperation Anxiety
« on: May 13, 2005, 01:04:36 pm »
Please help :o
I have a soon to be 3 year rotty in August. Well since we have had heard she goes
to the bathrrom when left alone. as a pup she chewed. we are scheduled to see a behavior specialist this saturday. But yesterday I came home and she started to eat the kitchen floor. And when we crate her she pees and poops all over herself. what can i do, the vets say she has seprtion anixety and i have tried everything. my husband is so tired of it he wants to get rid of her. please anyone who can help me.

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Re: Seperation Anxiety
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 01:12:07 pm »
I am so sorry to hear about your problem, and it must feel like you are under so much pressure to get her to stop, since your husband are ready to get rid of her, and that does not make things any easier. I really dont know what to say, more than, try to talk to hubby about seaking the professional help you have, and how that will help, maybe not in the very near future but in the long run. I have heard of dogs with severe sep. anxiety that were trained by professionals and got over it, so chin up, I am sure you'll get help saturday. One way may be to find a doggy daycare, or a person who is doggy sitting in her own home, so she doesnt have to be alone.

Good Luck and please let us know how things goes, I will be thinking of you saturday.

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Re: Seperation Anxiety
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 08:10:55 pm »
Wow!  I could never "get rid of" my family members as they are the loves of my life, my companions and I am entrusted to care for them for the rest of their innocent lives.

Anyway, enough said.  I have a couple of ideas, but it is difficult because most things are not quick fixes.  It sounds like you have only the one dog.  In that case I can surmise what may be an issue - that your dog needs a companion during the times she is alone.  I began with one puppy who was 8 weeks old, but quickly acquired another one, so they have lived together all their lives and have never shown signs of separation anxiety.  They have eachother for companionship when I am away.  This also prevented them from chewing.  How is your girl when she is with other dogs?  Does she enjoy their company or is she aggressive? 

I know it may not make sense to your husband to add another dog, when, to him, the one you have seems to be enough already.  But, it may be part of the solution.

Does she have a lot of toys she can play with when you are home?  Things to keep her busy and satisfy her curiosity under your supervision and/or participation?

Do you have a yard?  I know it can be difficult without a yard.  Is there someone who will walk her for you twice per day while you are away?  This way she will come to expect the walk, which will help satisfy her active mind and give her exercise as well.  Perhaps that will be enough and give small employment to a responsible teenager or dog lover near you.

And, finally, when I first brought my newest dog home she was supposedly "not housebroken".  After clearing up a lot of different infections, I finally widdled down to one last challenge: she still wet on the floor if I didn't let her out constantly.  I figured there must be something else wrong.  I do not know if the anxiety and chewing can be related to illness, or not, but she does not chew everything up as she did when she was sick.   Anyway, the veterinarian looked at her urine under a microscope and found rod-shaped bacteria and crystal formations in her urine.  Does your dog ever seem to "strain" when she goes potty?  Sometimes this is not even apparent.  Now that this bladder infection is cleared up she can hold it for normal lengths of time and hasn't had a single accident.  So, it was not that she did not understand the expectation of going potty outside, she simply could not hold it.

But, I am probably digressing too much and off of your main topic - separation anxiety.  I hope there is something you will do.  I wish you the best.
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Re: Seperation Anxiety
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 09:08:42 pm »
well good news so far.
we saw the doctor and she said we could use zanac for dogs, but i trully do not want drugs to fix the problem. So my hubby bought the D>A>P, the plug in and so far so good. Plus we have been working with feeding her in the cage and associating the cage as a good place where she gets good stuff. Hopefully everything will work out. thank you.
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Re: Seperation Anxiety
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 09:13:31 pm »
Good luck with the plug in! Glad that it is bringing you some comfort and needed relaxation.  :)
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Re: Seperation Anxiety
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2005, 09:25:09 pm »
A small thought....
When I leave, I put the radio on for my babies. They seem to like the noise in the house and hearing voices. They are less likely to get into trouble if I leave it on. I usually play classical or country for them cause I think it would be more mellow and soothing than say top 40.
And I know a dog who prefers to have the TV left on.

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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2005, 04:38:48 am »
Our vet has dignosed our Suna with separation anxiety after listening to our tales of chewing, skiddish behavior, urinating and defecating in the house when he has been housebroken completely for over 18 months and his freak-outs when one or btoh of us leave the house. The doctor recommended a combined pharmaceutical and training approach to the problem. Suna is now taking Clomipramine (generic Clomicalm) twice a day. He will be weaned off of it as the training becomes more solidly reinforced. We also have a schedule that we are not allowed to deviate from - bathroom, food, bathroom, training, bathroom, training, bathroom, training, food, bathroom, bathroom. Suna's day must remain structured and set to a clock in order to keep his stress down. We also have to completely ignore any accidents or negative behavior that used to elicit a megative response. We have to ignore him completely when we are not feeding, training or going ot hte bathroom. That was the hardest part at first. The vet said we have to ignore him to teach him that he is capable of living without our constant interaction. We aare training him to be more confident. The vet also told us that we have to enroll him in an obedience program. As we don't trust his agression issues associated with other dogs, our vet is personally coming to the house every week to work with us and our other dog, a Papillon puppy. Our vet told us that medication alone is not a quick fix and we are to expect a tough road. We have been at it for 5 weeks and just when we think we are making significant progress, we have a setback. The goal is to work with Suna to the point where we can wean him off the medication in the next 4 to 6 weeks.

Dealing with a dog with separation anxiety is stressful for both you and the dog. I wish you luck. I would definitely speak to a vet to rule out any organic reason for the urinating and defacating indoors.

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Re: Seperation Anxiety
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2005, 06:22:33 am »
Oh I got tired just reading that schedule!!!
How are you able to do anything??  I admire your dedication, but am still left thinking...the re must be a better way!! This dog is still getting all of your attention and has scheduled out your whole day. Are you able to leave Suna home alone yet?  I found that the only thing that broke Finn of it was actually doing it. I would leave for short periods, making them longer each week. Eventually he learned that I sometimes go, and I always come back. He is up to 4 hours now that he can be left. I also ignor him when I first come home if he's very excited. I wait untill he calms down to love on him, so that my coming home is treated like no big deal.

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Re: Seperation Anxiety
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2005, 07:19:07 am »
I have never had to deal with separation anxiety with my pets, but one thing comes to mind that I have heard others use.  Buy a couple large Kongs, which are rubber toys that can be stuffed with treats.  Mix some goodies with peanut butter (bananas, kibble, apples...whate ver treats your dog loves).  Stuff the Kong with the mixture (you can use plain yogurt instead of peanut butter) and freeze it.  Whenever you leave, give your pooch the frozen treat.  They will be too busy working on getting the goodies out that they won't be bothered by the fact that you aren't there.  He may even look forward to your leaving as he knows he'll get a goody.  Of course, this works best if your pooch is food motivated and really loves the stuff you put in the Kong. 

It's easy and worth a try.  I too would not feel comfortable using drugs unless all other avenues have been tried.

Good Luck!


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Re: Seperation Anxiety
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2005, 11:58:09 am »
I forgot to mention that in my post. We used the "frozen kong treat" with Finn too and it helped a lot. PB, apples and bits of cheese in them and he LOVED them. I have a few kicking around here, so I would fill them and freeze them, give one to him when we left and leave the others laying in other places. Like in front of the door (so when he went there to mope he'd find it) also on the window sills, so when he'd look out to whine for me he'd find it.
I also made sure to put away anything he could get into (trash etc) and leave lots of his toys around.
As I said, we started out leaving only for very short times (10 mins) and not making a big deal of saying good bye or hello when we came back. We're up to about 4 hours now. He still can't be left over night (as my other two can) but he can make it long enough for us to go out for the evening or run arrends during the day.

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