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I'm sorry to hear that you're struggling with him over the bell training too.  :-\

I agree that waking him up and taking him out may help with the "must pee now" upon waking.

I'm sorry to hear that you find the bell bothersome. My puppy is on phenobarbital now and it has the nasty side effect of EXTREME thirst, so Beaumont sometimes rings his bell 4 times an hour. I guess I'm just happy to take him outside a bunch rather than clean up potty from all over the floor. ;D

I know that you're concerned/annoyed with the potty thing, but I wouldn't limit your puppy's water in hot weather because it carries long term health risks (kidneys and liver to name two), not just the immediate dehydration issue.

Sorry I can't be of more help to you. Good luck. :)

How frustrating for all of you!! Weak bladder or not, I have an idea that will keep your floors pee free and your sanity in tact! It takes a bit of patience, but it's EASY AND TOTALLY WORTH IT!!

Get at least 2 bells and mount each one at head height right next to each door that you take Gersh out.

Each hour on the hour, call Gersh to the door and GENTLY nuzzle his nose/head on the bell so it rings PRAISE HIM and then take him outside and tell him to do his business. PRAISE HIM LIKE CRAZY WHEN HE GOES-BUT DON'T DO IT WITH FOOD TREATS.

In the event that Gersh ACCIDENTALLY rings one of the bells (bumps it while sniffing in that area or whatever)take him outside anyway and praise him for ringing his bell. This will reinforce that the bell means time for potty! And in the event that he goes potty -*CELEBRATE WITH HIM!!*

In the event that Gersh has an accident, don't scold, just take him to the bell, nuzzle his nose on it, and take him outside. Not to be redundant, but this also reinforces that the bell and potty equal outside.

I was frustrated with the puppy-potty thing too, but it only took my puppy just about a week to understand that if he rang the bell, he could get outside for potty.

I love that my puppy is bell trained! Since he learned ringing his bell gets him outside to take care of business, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE ACCIDENT!!!

Give your dog time to learn this, some dogs get it in a week, some take 2 weeks. You must be consistent about nuzzling their head/nose gently on the bell each and every time they go outside for potty.

Try this and you won't be disappointed!

Best Wishes from the Dogue de Bordeaux over here in Wisconsin!

Rare Breed Mastiff Discussions / Re: Seizures In Dogue de Bordeaux
« on: July 01, 2006, 09:56:07 am »
Hey everyone, we went to neurology and had every test known to man to rule out physical causes of Beaumont's seizures.

As expected, there are no physical reasons to be found to explain Beaumont's seizures. The neurologist was very honest in telling me that Beau's epilepsy may not be able to be controled, but we can try.

The reasons it's going to be a challenge:

1. Beaumont is a Mastiff, and notoriously, Mastiff's don't respond well to the medications.

2. Beaumont is VERY YOUNG to have onset of seizure activity. (he was 5 1/2 months when he had his first round of seizures)

3. Beaumont's seizure history shows he has frequent, severe (grand mal), and lasting (cluster) seizure episodes. Meaning he has a grand mal (and they're long-usually more than 5 min each), gets anywhere from 5min to an hour break, and has another seizure- this will continue if intervention medication and/or medical help isn't recieved.

So the neurologist doubled Beaumont's medication- he now gets 120mg of phenobarbital twice a day. His blood levels are to be watched like a hawk to ensure he's ALWAYS within the therapeutic range.

If he has more seizures, we will be adding potassium bromide. If he has more seizures on that, there is another drug that's expensive we can try (it may be Gabapentin, but I'm not sure), and if he has seizures on that, I'll have to make a choice about the quality of life for my dogue.

I've been given 3 doses of valium so I can give Beau one rectally if he has a seizure -after 3 doses if he continues to seize, he has to go to the Emerg.Vet. I know that I can't take him anywhere without the valium.

I hope that Beaumont continues to be seizure free, but for now I'm keeping my fingers crossed and trying to be realistic about what the future may hold.

Again, thank you all so much for your support and understanding.

Rare Breed Mastiff Discussions / Re: Seizures In Dogue de Bordeaux
« on: June 26, 2006, 05:01:34 pm »
Thank you all so much for your support and experiences with what I'm dealing with. Beaumont began seizures about 2 weeks ago- he's 6 months old now- very unusual for a puppy to have seizures to begin with especially in my breed. We're seeing the neurologist tomorrow and hopefully between the neurology dept. and my new vet we will be able to give Beaumont a happy seizure free life. I'll update everyone when I get home, hopefully on Thursday. We're leaving in a few min. Thanks all again.

My Bordeaux is 7 1/2 weeks older than yours and we went through a phase similar to this. What you're dealing with is posesiveness of the food-treat in question. What my trainer instructed me to do (and my 9 year old son as well!) is simple.

YOU AND YOUR DOG "SHARE" THE TREAT. You hold one end of the treat (don't just give it to your pup!) while your puppy enjoys the other-do not make eye contact. In this way you BOTH have the treat. While your pup is enjoying sharing the treat you should pet his head. You said that your pup hasn't been posessive of his food so far, but that can change so be on the lookout for it.

Another way to help your pup realize that you hold all of the aces and he should trust you is by feeding him tasty things out of your mouth(for example hotdogs sliced up like you would for a toddler). You just put a slice in your lips so that your dog can get it and YOU DO MAKE EYE CONTACT AS YOUR DOG TAKES/RECIEVES THE TREAT!!

Hope this helps.

Rare Breed Mastiff Discussions / Seizures In Dogue de Bordeaux
« on: June 26, 2006, 12:58:58 pm »
Hey everyone, this is going to be long, so brace yourself.

My puppy had seizures (2 of them) just over 2 weeks ago. I rushed him to the Emerg.Vet and got treatment. He was pheno-loaded and then put on Phenobarb. 65mg twice a day. 10 days later we went to the vet for a blood level check and a booster on his lyme's vaccination. Beaumont had gained 10 lbs. by this time. The vet called his prescription in to a local pharmacy and I got it refilled never looking at the dose because I ASSUMED IT WAS THE SAME. The vet DIDN'T INFORM ME SHE WAS LOWERING THE DOSE!!

Beaumont went for boarding Fri and Sat. nite and I picked him up Sunday afternoon.We went from the boarding kennel into the car to go to the beach for the afternoon. Beaumont had a Grand mal Seizure on the way to the beach. I immediately headed for the Emerg.Vet. and he kept seizing on the way, never really recovering from the seizure before when the next one would start.

Beaumont kept cluster seizing all afternoon and into the evening, even with a vailum/glucose IV¬  :'( and yes, they gave him rescue doses of vailum to stop the seizures when they happened. Finally at about 9pm they got his seizures under control.¬  I was with Beuamont the entire time and we spent the night there.

After some discussion with the Emerg.Vet, I learned that our regular vet had DROPPED THE DOSE FROM 65mg to 60mg!!! This combined with the 10 lbs. weight gain is what I and the Emerg.Vet suspected caused the seizures to come on so strong.

At 8am I had to transport Beaumont to the regular vet so he could be weaned off of the valium IV. I requested¬  ANY vet other than the one I had seen the week before who had treated my dogue so carelessly (not to mention had said that he is an aggressive breed >:()I was informed she was the only vet on that day :( so I had no choice.

Well, when I tried to discuss the difference in dose of meds in relation to the weight gain and questioned why she did it, she literally blew me off and just said that Beaumont's pheno levels had come back within the therapetic range. I said yes, but at the 65mg dose, not at 60. She tried to change the subject and I informed her that I had the Emerg.Vet run a NEW pheno level test just to make sure that the new dosage was within the expected parameters and also that a Bile Acid test was being ran to check for liver shunts. The look she gave me could have killed Medusa!

I requested a referral to a neurologist because I feel that infection of the brain or brain tumors/lesions should be eliminated as possible causes of the seizures. Again I was met with a condescending attitude about what I felt best for my puppy!! FINALLY she gave me the referral and we see the neurologist in Madison,WI (I live in Stevens Point,WI) tomorow June, 27,2006

Obviously, I am NEVER going to that vet again, and have already researched and found a new vet that I'm VERY comfortable with.

And of course my breeder was contacted about everything as it has progressed and she is absolutely crushed-she views her litters (has only whelped 2) as her babies as much as we do. She is spaying her bitch and is very concerned as to how I'm proceeding with things, wants updates etc.

So here's the thing:

Anyone else ever have a Dogue de Bordeaux get seizures and also SO YOUNG?!! If so, how did things turn out- did the dogue have to be put down? or did you get stuff under control with the right vet and meds?

Everyone I've talked to in the Bordeaux community has never heard of such a young pup having seizures, and very few have even heard of a Bordeaux having seizures period! Beaumont is from good stock, not a puppymill- I found my breeder through the Dogue de Bordeaux Society.

I'm absolutely heartbroke that my puppy has to go through so much h*ll :'( and from what I've read about other breeds the earlier the onset the more grim the outlook.


Groans, Gripes, Brags & Boasts / Re: Dog Park Rant
« on: June 17, 2006, 11:00:21 am »
Let me think, I'm going to pretend to attack my dog in a park where there may be dogs trained in guarding and dissuation... that must mean I'm an absolute FOOL!!!!  >:(

Regardless if your dog is trained in that manner, all dogs will protect other members of their pack from what looks like a threat. This guy must have wanted to arouse the entire dog park! Lucky for him you're a responsible owner and keep track of what your dogs are doing.

Groans, Gripes, Brags & Boasts / Re: Dog Park Rant
« on: June 17, 2006, 10:55:51 am »
When a dog is trained in guarding, (nevermind their natural instinct to protect their pack!) that dog will "freak out" on what is precieved as a threat. Was this guy hoping to arouse every dog in the park? :o I'm certainly no expert on caninc psychology, but I know enough not to do something THAT

Introduce Yourself to the Forum / Re: My Bordeaux Puppy and Me...
« on: June 17, 2006, 10:49:48 am »
Thanks to all for the warm welcome. I'm sure as time goes on I'll have more pictures, stories and questions for everyone. Beaumont says "Woof!" and I think that loosely translated it's "Thanks"... or maybe "Cookie?" ;) Sometimes it's hard to tell!

Yep, healthy is most important. And dogues grow up in height, out in weight, up in height... you get the picture.

If the two of you are getting lots of excrecise (swimming?) that may contribute to the low weight. If you're really worried, try feeding your babe an extra cup of food at each feeding, chances are he'll burn it up at the beach! 8)

Brinks- I don't think you have much to be worried about. My vet and my trainer all say it's better for them to be on the athletic side than too heavy because of the hip issues our breed can have- not to mention elbows!! Your dogue will continue to grow and is done around 2-ish and I say that loosely. Hope this helps!

Big puppy Bordeaux wave from Wisconsin!

Rare Breed Mastiff Discussions / Re: Any Dogue de Bordeaux owners?
« on: June 15, 2006, 08:11:24 pm »
Hi my name is Emily (WI Em) and I have a 6 month old Dogue de Bordeaux puppy named Beaumont. I aquired him from Buckeye Bordeaux in Ohio. I've got to resize my pictures of Beau, and then I'll get some posted. I have pictures from when I brought him home to recently, so from about 8 weeks old to 6 months old. Will see what I can do or get my 9 year old to help LOL.

Ok, got the picture thing figured out. This is a pic of Beau at about 4 months old snoozin' on the sitting room floor. He's still a baby, even if he is 70 lbs. now... :D

Introduce Yourself to the Forum / My Bordeaux Puppy and Me...
« on: June 15, 2006, 04:10:37 pm »
Hi all! My name is Emily and I have a 6 month old Dogue de Bordeax puppy named Beaumont. I found this place while surfing for info/discussion groups about giant breed dogs and I'm sure glad i did!!!

Just wanted to shout out and say hi!!

Groans, Gripes, Brags & Boasts / Re: PEOPLE RANT! I'm fed up!
« on: June 13, 2006, 04:21:48 pm »
For me it's simple. When I make Beaumont's next appt. I'm going to ask which vet he will be seen by. If it's the vet I have no respect for, I'll simply say that I would prefer to see anyone but HER and at any time. If they don't like that, I'll find a different vet :)

I'm not going to bother trying to educate someone who obviously has their mind made up about my dogue's temperment/disposition/training. People like this woman are the ones grabing their kid by the arm and dragging them to the opposite side of the road when we're out for a walk. *shug* I love my puppy dog, he loves me and he's great-that's all that matters 8)

Groans, Gripes, Brags & Boasts / Re: PEOPLE RANT! I'm fed up!
« on: June 13, 2006, 03:59:12 pm »
Yep, and what's sad about the discrimination is that a lot of people think he's a pitt-bull breed of some kind. I know many pitt-bulls and they're just as sweet as the Bordeaux! Again, it all really is in how the owner raises the dog.

Where I live Beaumont is the ONLY Bordeaux. My trainer has 30 or so years of experience not only training dogs but as a dog behaviorist/psychologist working all over the state and my pup is the first he's ever met in the flesh! I wonder where this particular vet gets her "agressive breed" info-possibly a Rice Crispie box? :P

Today we went downtown for some socialization/field trip and as many people who were friendly were horrified that I (quote one woman),"bring a beast like that downtown with all of these respectable people and their children around! ???" I just had a kid of a not horrified parent give Beau a treat out of his mouth and smiled at the woman ;)

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